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COMBAT RELATED PTSD IS IT REAL OR A COVERUP?
Jun 15, 2018, 6:27 PM
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PTSD, is it really a thing? I say it's not really a thing as we believe it to be. Hear me out.
We train these young men to be cold hearted killers on behalf of the security and defense of the United States. We give them the best training that money can buy. Then we send them off to war to execute their training. They kill many men, and witness close friends die in the worst way. We teach them a culture of violence; a warrior's culture.
When they return to civilian life they are greeted by a culture of pansies. Pansies that have found a way to shame heroic behavior and justify their cowardice. This is a bad combination folks. Our heroes return to a land that they do not belong to. They feel disassociated from the rest of society, and they no longer have the camaraderie of their brothers in arms. This makes them feel isolated to the point that even their family members closest to them have become part of the pacifist culture. This is not the way of nations, not the behavioral patterns of historical data. This brand of cultural society must change or else we may face ruin.
You see, having love for your nation isn't about land or wealth. It's about having love for the people who dwell there. So, rather than offend the people by our lifestyles, many veterans who feel as if they do NOT belong have decided to commit suicide out of love of country. I mean, it may not be viewed as such, but it's the truth. Rather than live among those who do NOT accept us, we'd rather die and get it over with as a matter of convenience to those who dwell within our proximity. After all, most of us feel as if we've served the ultimate purpose already. So, what's the use in convincing a nation of ingrates who condemn our sacrifices rather than view life through the eyes of our experience. It's a new brand of culture, a new breed of American citizen, am I right?
I said all of that to say this. Don't worry about us, because many of our own breed are seeking a way to mitigate this. It may take us a while, but we will not rest until our resolve has been met. We will not stop until no veteran feels unwelcomed in the ebb of life in our weakened cultural society. We will overcome this because we are who we are. However, just know that the blood of our finest who have returned home alive only to die rest on the hands of those who did not welcome them home. America should be ashamed, very ashamed.
This post is primarily for veterans only, but I'll accept the input of everyone. Just in deep thought right now.
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Call it what you will. But it's a real problem.
Jun 15, 2018, 6:49 PM
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Notsomuch now as in wars past. But if you get the thousand yard stare odds are you'll get PTSD. Either way it will mess with you for years or the rest of your life. Some live fine with no problems and others never get over the war. I know several people who fought IN Vietnam and in WW2 who had it. They were both functional and you would never know they had it. But watch them wake up with nightmares or have a flashback and you see it's real and there.
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Re: Call it what you will. But it's a real problem.
Jun 15, 2018, 6:58 PM
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I can deal with the night terrors and the bullcrap that comes with war experiences. What I cannot stand is the liberal nonsense that we are greeted with when we come home. I wish they would all die. NO I DID NOT FIGHT FOR THEM, I HOPE THEY ALL DIE. ALL SOCIALIST, MARXIST, and PEOPLE OF THE SAME LIKING!
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Re: Call it what you will. But it's a real problem.
Jun 15, 2018, 7:03 PM
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my liberal marxist father served 2 terms in Vietnam, joined, not drafted. He was also in Guatemala in 83, SO when you spout out at the mouth like that....
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Re: Call it what you will. But it's a real problem.
Jun 15, 2018, 7:16 PM
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my liberal marxist father served 2 terms in Vietnam, joined, not drafted. He was also in Guatemala in 83, SO when you spout out at the mouth like that....
Which would explain your respect for veterans, but your misinformation on Karl Marx and his ideologies.
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Re: Call it what you will. But it's a real problem.
Jun 15, 2018, 7:22 PM
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some where you managed to pervert capitalism with American patriotism, because they are not mutually exclusive. Possibly an IED went off a couple inches from your head?
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Re: Call it what you will. But it's a real problem.
Jun 15, 2018, 7:26 PM
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some where you managed to pervert capitalism with American patriotism, because they are not mutually exclusive. Possibly and IED went off a couple inches from your head?
Actually, I've been blown up 9 times in the course of 17 years. However, that doesn't cloud my mental capacity. To me, it seems as if the ones who've never served a day in combat seem to have the most input on the experiences of those who actually did. It's fairly pathetic to say the least. Capitalism works, and socialism doesn't, but I will bet that my views do not tie political systems in with economic systems as much as the socialist do to their views. They view the economy as a means to an end, and I view the Capitalist economy as a means to live.
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Re: Call it what you will. But it's a real problem.
Jun 15, 2018, 7:55 PM
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Unregulated capitalism is why people are needlessly dying of preventable diseases, why every single of one our institutions have become corrupted, why we have exceeded the carrying capacity of our planet, and why power has been consolidated into the handful of a few. I can also rattle off 22 trillion other reasons why it has ultimately failed this nation.
Don't get me wrong, I am not in favor of communism, and socialism is only a stepping stone onto other ways of dividing resources if our species expects not to destroy itself. It has also treated me well and it is the best we will have in my lifetime, but to call it a success is laughable.
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FWIW, the guy I know who was in the worst fighting had no
Jun 15, 2018, 7:22 PM
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therapy of any kind, was tough as nails, and did fine most of the time.
Guy who had therapy for it never was quite right and had a harder time dealing with it.
Both came back to have families, jobs, and grandkids.
90% of life is how you deal with the #### thrown your way.
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Re: But they're Americans, Chesty.
Jun 16, 2018, 11:38 AM
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Why don't you love America?
I don't love what it's become.
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Re: Call it what you will. But it's a real problem.
Jun 17, 2018, 10:53 AM
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What I cannot stand is the liberal nonsense that we are greeted with when we come home. I wish they would all die.
I'm glad there are some people in here exhibiting some compassion towards you, because I'm less inclined to do so. Yeah, you're making a cry for help. A cry to be locked away in a health facility. You clearly are a danger to the public.
But at least you're willing to come out and say what many Americans like you have been scared to do: That you want liberals to die.
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Re: COMBAT RELATED PTSD IS IT REAL OR A COVERUP?
Jun 15, 2018, 7:11 PM
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Where do you people come from?
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Re: COMBAT RELATED PTSD IS IT REAL OR A COVERUP?
Jun 15, 2018, 7:14 PM
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Where do you people come from?
From your mother's bedroom closet.
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Someone's in the sauce***
Jun 15, 2018, 7:23 PM
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Re: Someone's in the sauce***
Jun 15, 2018, 7:30 PM
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Not going to lie, I've had a few to drink. I'm signing off. #### it, just thought I'd share my experiences. Which by the way proves my point on Tigernet. I mean, a University known for military heritage. WOW! MIND BLOWN! Anyway, I have more important #### to do like take my trash out or walk my dog. Later.
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the answer is yes
Jun 15, 2018, 7:41 PM
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it is very real and also many vets are looking for disability payments
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Coach Dabo Swinney..you've read it.. about disability
Jun 17, 2018, 9:23 AM
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Drop mic.
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STAY AWAY FROM THE BROWN ACID.***
Jun 15, 2018, 9:10 PM
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l0l!!84, how about the puS#i#s that vote
Jun 15, 2018, 9:21 PM
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down this post??? Unbefaggotlievable
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I've read a lot of silly things on here...,
Jun 15, 2018, 9:35 PM
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But this ranks up there with the best of them. Right beside milk is bad for you and Cambodian temple dinosaur drawings.
I stopped at the line about pansies. I will instead, refer you to the psychiatrists who will tell you that PTSD is a very, very real thing. I've interviewed my share of vets who can attest to it as well.
Whatever the rest of your post said, it's wrong, and, frankly, probably highly insulting to all the vets who suffer from it.
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Re: I've read a lot of silly things on here...,
Jun 15, 2018, 11:58 PM
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But this ranks up there with the best of them. Right beside milk is bad for you and Cambodian temple dinosaur drawings.
I stopped at the line about pansies. I will instead, refer you to the psychiatrists who will tell you that PTSD is a very, very real thing. I've interviewed my share of vets who can attest to it as well.
Whatever the rest of your post said, it's wrong, and, frankly, probably highly insulting to all the vets who suffer from it.
I'm a veteran and deployed multiple times as a Marine Corps Infantry Rifleman. Again, cultural dissassociation I believe is what CAUSES the symptoms of what is referred to as PTSD. I know what PTSD is, and how it's diagnosed. Been there done that, got the T-Shirt and rating for it. I'm not talking about PTSD as we believe it to be. I can tell you right now, I feel no guilt or horror about what I did. I'm actually quite happy about it. It's returning to a nation of ingrates who cry and whine about mostly everything. I mean, it's odd because you never notice the Koreans, Chinese, or even the Tongan military returning with theses issues. It's because they respect the Warrior Culture and the Veteran society within their nation. In fact, it's viewed as an honor to fight in war for your nation in those lands. Of course, we have patriot supporting citizens here, but we also have sissies who drink their Starbucks Lattes and brag about manhood, but don't even know how to change a tire. We return to a nation that we simply do NOT belong to or fit in with. That is what causes a feeling of being isolated and bearing no hope. This is why MY FELLOW VETERANS kill themselves. However, I've noticed that most of the people who bear the strongest opinion on combat and the after effects never served a day in their life.
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Re: I've read a lot of silly things on here...,
Jun 16, 2018, 4:35 PM
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Of course, we have patriot supporting citizens here, but we also have sissies who drink their Starbucks Lattes and brag about manhood, but don't even know how to change a tire. We return to a nation that we simply do NOT belong to or fit in with. That is what causes a feeling of being isolated and bearing no hope. This is why MY FELLOW VETERANS kill themselves. However, I've noticed that most of the people who bear the strongest opinion on combat and the after effects never served a day in their life.
No, that is not why they kill themselves. Any mental health professional will disagree. This is such an absurd, asinine viewpoint, and a dangerous on at that. I don't care what your background is. This is false. In fact, if you were right, then you would be suicidal for those reasons but obviously you are not.
I don't think I've ever advocated Crump delete a post before, but I think I will report this one. It is atrociously insulting to veterans and a dangerous viewpoint for those who need real help. What a pathetic way to address their real issues.
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Re: I've read a lot of silly things on here...,
Jun 17, 2018, 2:57 PM
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Of course, we have patriot supporting citizens here, but we also have sissies who drink their Starbucks Lattes and brag about manhood, but don't even know how to change a tire. We return to a nation that we simply do NOT belong to or fit in with. That is what causes a feeling of being isolated and bearing no hope. This is why MY FELLOW VETERANS kill themselves. However, I've noticed that most of the people who bear the strongest opinion on combat and the after effects never served a day in their life.
No, that is not why they kill themselves. Any mental health professional will disagree. This is such an absurd, asinine viewpoint, and a dangerous on at that. I don't care what your background is. This is false. In fact, if you were right, then you would be suicidal for those reasons but obviously you are not.
I don't think I've ever advocated Crump delete a post before, but I think I will report this one. It is atrociously insulting to veterans and a dangerous viewpoint for those who need real help. What a pathetic way to address their real issues.
Just because you lack experience in this area of life, and you failed miserably at reading and comprehension, does not constitute disrespect to my brothers in arms. There are only two types of people who will ever understand Marines, OTHER MARINES AND THOSE WHO HAVE FACED US IN COMBAT. EVERYONE ELSE HAS A SECOND HAND OPINION.
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Let me tell you something, man.
Jun 17, 2018, 7:06 PM
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My grandfather was a WWII vet. He saw some ####. He never threw his military service in people's faces, and he rarely ever brought it up.
I've got two other living vets in my family. You wouldn't know they were veterans unless you pressed them for it. They're humble about their service. One of them doesn't really like people thanking him for his service.
I know a guy in Clemson who is a Marine. He served in Afghanistan in the early days. He killed people. He watched friends die. He doesn't talk about it. He doesn't want to talk about it.
Now what you do remind me of is one of my neighbors, a Vietnam vet, who throws his military service in people's faces every day regardless of the topic, from HOA amenity battles to people's cats getting in his yard to kids' behavior at the pool. It's his excuse to be an #######.
And it's yours.
The people like you who always rub your service in everyone's face make me question who they really are. Because I know too many good men who served you don't act this way.
In this thread, you've insinuated that PTSD isn't a real thing, that vets kill themselves out of love for their country, and that you want all liberals to die.
If my grandfather were here today, he'd tell you, "Boy... grow up."
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Re: Let me tell you something, man.
Jun 18, 2018, 1:09 PM
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Let me tell you something.... I shared a thought, an opinion which all people are entitled to on an open forum. I WAS ATTACKED FIRST, Not the other way around. If you're not in the business of being an arsehole then I suggest you not advertise. Otherwise, someone may answer your ad. However, let me set the record straight with you right now.
1. I never threw my military service in anyone's face on here. I did acknowledge my veteran status to support my experiences. Not to throw it in anyone's face.
2. I don't even dwell in the US long enough to have issues with anyone regarding a neighbor's cat or HOAs. In fact, when I'm at home I prefer to dwell in the presence of my own kind. Other combat veterans. To me, most others aren't worthy of my presence. I said most, not all. There are exceptions to that. I truly have no desire to hang out with liberal minded people who will look at you with a straight face and say that socialism and communism actually work. (WHAT A JOKE) Or that Hillary Clinton or Obama make for great leaders. Those people have a defective mind much like Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters. I pity them.
3. I don't care if you know a guy who served... UNLESS YOU DID IT YOURSELF Then your opinion really is moot at this point. I sought the wise council of other veterans, not civilians who never deployed. I did welcome the opinions of non-vets, but instead of opinions, I received insults and accusations which were highly misplaced.
4. Many of the insults and accusations were as a result of people's lack of reading comprehension. I pity them too. Sadly, many of them are either Clemson students or grads. VERY SAD...
5. I NEVER made the claim that PTSD wasn't real. Of course it is, because I have it. My original observations or statement rather was to the effect of PTSD being as WE BELIEVE IT TO BE. In other words, it would require someone with an IQ higher than 12 to answer the question. Meaning, I was asking primarily my fellow veterans to view PTSD objectively.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I HAVE HAD 58 OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS RETURN HOME AND COMMIT SUICIDE. SO, DO NOT TELL ME YOU F***ING KNOW SOME GUY THAT SERVED. IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN INTEREST OF MINE TO FIND OUT WHAT CAUSES VETERAN SUICIDE. AND YES, MANY OF THEM HAVE SAID FIRST HAND WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE THAT THEY DID NOT FEEL AS IF THEY FIT IN WITH AMERICAN CULTURE ANYMORE. SO YES, IT IS THE FAULT OF OUR OWN SOCIETY THAT HAS CHANGED TO BE SOMETHING THAT NONE OF US FOUGHT FOR. NEVER HAS A MARINE OR SOLDIER HOISTED THE AMERICAN FLAG IN VICTORY FOR COMMUNISM, SOCIALISM, OR SOME LIBERAL IDEOLOGIES. IN FACT, IT IS OF THE OPINION BY THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF SERVICE MEMBERS AND VETERANS THAT LIBERALS ARE THE DISEASE OF OUR SOCIETY. BELIEVE THAT GOOD SIR.
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I'm gonna post a phone number here not related
Jun 18, 2018, 2:53 PM
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to Crosswinds.
Call 1-800-273-8255
Available 24 hours everyday
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Seek help. Professionally.
Jun 18, 2018, 11:04 PM
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All that rant is a moot after you said you wanted all liberals to die. Seek professional help and do not seek it here. A psychiatrist will likely tell you to stay off this board.
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Re: Seek help. Professionally.
Jun 19, 2018, 12:56 PM
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Liberals, Taliban, Al Qaeda what's the difference? They're all the same in my book.
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Liberals, Taliban, Al Qaeda...
Jun 19, 2018, 12:58 PM
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Outdoor concerts in Vegas, Orlando night clubs...etc
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Re: Liberals, Taliban, Al Qaeda...
Jun 19, 2018, 7:29 PM
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Exactly, there's always a common connection. They always seem to be registered Democrat Voters.
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Whoa. Wow.
Jun 15, 2018, 9:38 PM
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Okay, so I decide to go read the rest of your post. I'll pull out this line:
So, rather than offend the people by our lifestyles, many veterans who feel as if they do NOT belong have decided to commit suicide out of love of country.
You're arguing that veterans kill themselves out of love for their country, not PTSD?
Holy sweet baby Jesus. There it is. The dumbest thing I've read on P&R. That's a pretty insulting thing to say to people who are suffering PTSD.
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Re: Whoa. Wow.
Jun 16, 2018, 12:00 AM
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Call it what you want. PTSD SMEE TEE ESS DEE, I don't really care what it's called. When someone feels out of place every #### where they go and feel like they have not a #### thing in common with these pansies here then it's obvious why they kill themselves.
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You actual think it’s that simple? That many commit
Jun 16, 2018, 2:49 PM
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suicide for the exact same reason? I would think there are hundreds of reasons, be it financial, medical, relationship issue, employment issue...
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Re: Whoa. Wow.
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That is not the reason people commit suicide and you, sir, are a fool.
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Re: Whoa. Wow.
Jun 16, 2018, 5:04 PM
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That is not the reason people commit suicide and you, sir, are a fool.
I can't help but wonder if what he is typing is a symptom of PTSD.
I've been reading up on some of the symptoms.
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Of course if is....
Jun 16, 2018, 5:33 PM
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It sounds like a cry for help to me
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Re: Of course if is....
Jun 16, 2018, 5:37 PM
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Exactly.
And exactly the reason I'm gonna refrain from bashing him.
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Yeah, you could be right.***
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So PTSD isn't actually a thing, it's all a liberal plot?
Jun 16, 2018, 2:03 AM
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This is a new low, even for a troll like yourself.
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Re: So PTSD isn't actually a thing, it's all a liberal plot?
Jun 16, 2018, 10:28 AM
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No, PTSD is actually a thing. Not as we believe it to be. People didn't start talking about it until OIF/OEF era combat. As if it's some new kind of disorder that just mysteriously developed. Again, Vets of WW1, WW2, and Korea didn't have the rate of suicide that Vets of OIF/OEF do. Vietnam Vets had a high rate of suicide, but mostly due to accidental drug overdose. I do not believe for a second that PTSD causes suicide in itself. If any veteran is like me, then they feel pretty isolated in American society today with all of the softie liberal types walking about. I find myself getting along better in Iraq or Afghanistan, which is honestly why most Veterans take up a job overseas again. They search for a lost camaraderie and never find it there either unless they work with someone they served with. Tell me, where do we fit in with American society today, or even European society? We simply don't.
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Re: So PTSD isn't actually a thing, it's all a liberal plot?
Jun 16, 2018, 3:55 PM
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"If any veteran is like me, then they feel pretty isolated in American society today with all of the softie liberal types walking about."
Is it the people walking around or is it that the military doesn't train soldiers how to integrate back into society after war?
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This plays like a track from irmotigs self titled album.***
Jun 16, 2018, 8:22 AM
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I thought I was dealing with intelligent people, my mistake.
Jun 16, 2018, 11:33 AM
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Anyone with real comprehension and reading skills would understand my entire original post. The point of the post was to view PTSD objectively. Since I'm a combat veteran, I do research on it. Currently, I'm researching the suicide aspect of it all. Many of my friends have come home and taken their own life. So, this isn't about trolling or trying to be cute. However, I for the life of me cannot directly connect PTSD to veteran suicide. In my opinion, PTSD is a factor but not a direct cause.
For most, PTSD is nothing more than an EXTREMELY SEVERE CASE of Panic and Anxiety Disorder that is nearly constant. I should know, it's a daily nuance for me and has been for 15 years. There's sleep disorders, eating disorders, and a tendency to engage in unhealthy habitual coping mechanisms.
Suicide victims who have never deployed often project feelings of isolation and hopelessness. They also project feelings of shame, guilt, and other conscious awareness behaviors to an extreme degree. However, when examining the total situation regarding the case of personal friends of mine who have returned home only to take their own life, they all have a few things in common. Of course we all have PTSD when we come home from combat. Anyone who's been on a patrol and got into a TIC has PTSD. Anyone who's ever ran over an IED would probably have PTSD.
I have looked back at chat conversations that I've had with fellow veterans who have later committed suicide, and they all have one thing in common. They feel out of place, like they have no home to return to. They long for a "normal" life within the social constructs of American Society, but no matter how hard they attempt to even blend in, they do not. This creates isolation, and a loss of hope to ever experience the so called normal life that we fought for. I know exactly how they feel. I've just given up trying to be what most Americans consider normal. I was blessed to have found veterans near me that I actually served beside who share my sentiments. Thus, my urges to punch my time card have resided over the years.
Some of the things that I've dealt with stems from emotional numbness. I cannot connect to a woman on an emotional level at all. My romantic ability is currently at ZERO and has been for over a decade. Yes, I've been single for about 8 years, and yes many women want to date me. I'm simply not interested anymore, which is totally out of my character. When I pray, I do not feel God's presence anymore.(CHRISTIAN DIRECTED) There is no more joy, happiness, or even sadness. Total numbness is what resides within me. I do not socialize anymore because I bear nothing in common with people outside of my own breed. I share no desire to be like American society. I have no one in my family that I even visit or speak to simply because they no longer understand me. This is the same sentiments that have been shared by other veterans who have come home and made a decision to clock out early. Then their family and friends who never deployed are left scratching their heads wondering why. PTSD gets the blame, and society moves on in the cogwheel of bull crap that we call the daily grind.
So again, I question whether PTSD is what we believe it to be. I never questioned it's existence, but rather the contributing factor to Veteran Suicide. Yes; PTSD is a real thing, and it's not the huge problem it's made out to be. Please recognize that reintegration into the weak "give me" society is a huge part of the problem I'm speaking about in my thesis. However, the rampant suicide among veterans can't be distilled to just one universal impetus. Depression and psychological trauma are real tangible reasons for suicides, but they're curable if the warrior returning home actually feels at home and not misplaced. Oftentimes it's the warrior's battle within himself that must be won first, but he cannot win if he doesn't understand the battlefield he's fighting in.
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Just wondering
Jun 16, 2018, 3:45 PM
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Have you examined the drug aspect of these returning veterans? Some of these drugs they are prescribed have side effects (suicide}. Maybe our medical knowledge should come into question with their training. Marine training definitely brainwashes the new warriors. Not saying its a bad thing, but how many can just switch it off when returning to society as a trained warrior?
I am a military brat. I lived on military bases for a large part of my life. My father served in WWII and Korea. I was born in Japan on a US Army base. My Uncle served in WWII. He was awarded a Silver Star from Patton. He was infantry in France. I have the utmost respect for these men of honor. My Uncle saw all the horrors of war. He rarely talked about it. He drank to cope. He was a good Christian man. My father was fortunate not to see nearly the horrors as much as his brother. He was the tech sarge on Black Widow P-61. He was a good Christian man and very rarely drank.
I have other relatives that have served honorably. One is in the Citadel Ring of Honor. He died in the Civil War. His father was a General. The General's father was a Captain before the Civil War.
There are many intelligent folks here. Their thought process is just different. No one here has been through the same experiences as you. You are unique in that aspect. Please don't hold it against them or me. We all have our personal demons to deal with. How we deal with them is our character.
I give many people on here crap. They probably think I'maasshole because of this. In reality I hold no ill will towards them. We just see things differently.
Just be glad I'm not a meerkat because I would murder every one of you sobs. lol. That just flew over so many heads. Just Goggle "meerkat murder rates".
Thank you for your service Sir. I hope you'll find your/our answers.
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Re: Just wondering
Jun 18, 2018, 1:34 PM
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Thanks for your honest input METIGER... I stayed away from the meds, and even alcohol. It doesn't solve anything. I have found that CBT works best for me on the panic attacks and sleep disorders. I am aware that many vets have died from the medications or side effects. Some were my friends and the meds made them worse off.
However, many of them that committed suicide that I knew personally, shared my sentiments on American Society and the NEO LIBERAL / PROGRESSIVE CULTURE. They didn't feel like they fit in anywhere and lived in an area where the majority of the demographic was Ultra Liberal. It didn't help that they lived nowhere near other combat veterans that they knew personally. This creates isolation, and a loss of hope.
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My first cousin Paul was a Marine in Vietnam and was heavily
Jun 18, 2018, 4:04 PM
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involved in combat. Actually went back to visit Vietnam a few years ago. He receives heavy support from his Marine warriors. I'm amazed at the amount of support he receives from his buddies. Of course he lives in South Carolina which is certainly a state known for conservative military views.
It's probably a bit different for a general. You've had to send men to their deaths. I'm certain you're viewed differently than the men of lower rank. When you're a leader that's always the case it seems.
Seriously a good woman would help you. She may be hard to find, but they are out there. Maybe a widow of an ex-officer, who would understand your position.
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Re: My first cousin Paul was a Marine in Vietnam and was heavily
Jun 18, 2018, 4:38 PM
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I was never a general in the Marine Corps. Lt.General Lewis "CHESTY" Puller is just an icon. He's the original Mad Dog. Sort of like us new aged Marines view General Mattis. I was a Sergeant and an Infantry Squad Leader before my EAS in 2011. I've since then deployed for other government agencies, and even friendly foreign governments. I find that I feel better on deployment surrounded by men of my background. It's a warrior's culture and it's where I belong. However, there are some who attempt to have what is considered to be a "normal" life. To me, that's not the route I want to take because I just have no desire to be part of the social construct of modern American society. To me, it has become something that I did not fight for.
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OK Thanks for the honesty.....
Jun 18, 2018, 4:49 PM
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My father was a Chief Master Sarge in USAF. I still hope you'll reach out to your Marine buddies. And find a widow of a sargeant. Doesn't have to be about sex just a good woman to be a best friend.
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I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 16, 2018, 2:16 PM
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considering you've tried to scam folks on this board before and the content of your post here, it's clear to me that you need to seek out some help. Not putting you down and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
Being serious here. There are plenty of resources available for you.
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Re: I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 16, 2018, 3:52 PM
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Maybe its the PTSD causing him to post this sort of dribble?
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Re: I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 17, 2018, 3:03 PM
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Maybe its the PTSD causing him to post this sort of dribble?
Dribble? My experiences aren't dribble. This is what I cannot comprehend about these little college boys that attend whatever school it is, but have zero experience on anything and decide to insert their two cents into something they know absolutely NOTHING about. To reiterate, I addressed other Combat Veterans on this forum, not some desk jockey who sat in an auditorium at Clemson.
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Re: I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 17, 2018, 5:21 PM
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1. I didn't attend Clemson
2. I don't post (brag) about what I've done for my country.
3. I don't post (brag) about what i continue to do for my country.
4. If you only want combat veterans to respond, go elsewhere.
5. Seek help, because it clearly looks like you suffer from PTSD.
6. Try again.
7. Happy Father's Day if you're a father.
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Re: I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 18, 2018, 1:20 PM
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1. I didn't attend Clemson
2. I don't post (brag) about what I've done for my country.
3. I don't post (brag) about what i continue to do for my country.
4. If you only want combat veterans to respond, go elsewhere.
5. Seek help, because it clearly looks like you suffer from PTSD.
6. Try again.
7. Happy Father's Day if you're a father.
1. Sadly, some of these responses come from people who did. Sadly, they have poor reading and comprehension skills. Anyone with an IQ above 12 would have seen that I was viewing the whole veteran suicide issue from an objective point of view.
2. I don't brag either, but I was being addressed by some as if I had zero experience on the subject matter. With 13 deployments over the course of 17 years, I feel as if I may have just a little bit of experience in a combat situation and the after effects.
3. I will go where I please to ask questions. Again, that reading and comprehension barrier seems to be effecting your responses. I ask veterans, but welcomed the opinions of non-veterans. I will not stand idle while people attack me. They will receive the same courtesy in return.
4. I will not seek help for asking for fellow veterans to view PTSD related veterans suicide objectively. They told Columbus to seek help when he made the claim that the Earth wasn't flat. We all know how that story ended. People who are ignorant view most subject matters in a popular belief instead of examining the nature of the subject matter in full diligence. It is foolish to say that our Societal Culture hasn't played a big part in Veteran Suicide. Who's to say that I don't recognize it because it effects me directly. When you return to a land that you fought for only to realize that people are living in a manner which makes America not worth fighting for. Certainly, not worth dying for.
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Re: I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 18, 2018, 3:42 PM
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Maybe you could work on your spelling/grammar before attacking someone's comprehension.
Just a thought.
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Re: I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 18, 2018, 4:32 PM
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Please point out some of my grammatical errors. I'll wait.
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Re: I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 18, 2018, 4:38 PM
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Just about every post of yours on the first page of this thread.
Go on. Look. I'll wait.
Although, i don't think you'll notice.
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Re: I seriously hope you get some help man...
Jun 17, 2018, 3:01 PM
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considering you've tried to scam folks on this board before and the content of your post here, it's clear to me that you need to seek out some help. Not putting you down and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
Being serious here. There are plenty of resources available for you.
Do you have any proof that I tried scamming someone or are you just another lemming who follows the crowd of other lemmings? You never ran any diligence on any business venture that I've been involved in. Again, reading and comprehension comes in handy on this. I suggest you return your degree or diploma and hit the reset button on education.
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Well, that's not entirely true....
Jun 18, 2018, 10:58 AM
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I did a good bit of research on the wind deal (can't remember the name now) you were promoting investment in on here. It was a scam, not sure if 100% intentional or just based on naivety, but either way it was total BS.
But let's put that aside for the moment. Please go get yourself some help. If you don't know where to go, then t-mail me and I'll give you some contacts in your area to start with.
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Re: Well, that's not entirely true....
Jun 18, 2018, 1:24 PM
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I did a good bit of research on the wind deal (can't remember the name now) you were promoting investment in on here. It was a scam, not sure if 100% intentional or just based on naivety, but either way it was total BS.
But let's put that aside for the moment. Please go get yourself some help. If you don't know where to go, then t-mail me and I'll give you some contacts in your area to start with.
Actually, it wasn't a scam. I invested myself, and last year received my ROI. I paid my taxes, and all went well. People who were calling it a scam had zero knowledge of REG A PLUS OFFERINGS. I was trying to explain it to people. It was a Wall Street Deal and had full disclosure and transparency with the regulatory of the Securities Exchange Commission. Yet, people didn't research that either. Even when they were provided with a link to do such. It goes to show you just how bad of a shape our nation is in, when people do not research for themselves.
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ahh yeah, that great and all....
Jun 18, 2018, 2:47 PM
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but I work in the utility industry and know a good bit about renewable generation, etc...and that project smelled like BS from the first time I read about it from you on here.
So, if the deal wasn't a scam...are you suggesting it's up and operational now...or have they turned any dirt anywhere for it?
Because you may have bought into it and someone scammed enough other people to buy into it so that you got some return...doesn't mean it wasn't a scam from the beginning.
And yes...I do know what a Reg A+ offering is.
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Re: ahh yeah, that great and all....
Jun 18, 2018, 3:35 PM
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From what I gather, the company was sold to some Chinese Hedge Fund. Not sure who they are, and once I'm out of a deal and I sell my shares I am out. I no longer concern myself with it.
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Thanks Chesty. I have said many times before we would NEVER
Jun 17, 2018, 7:58 AM
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have won World War II with the nation of over-sensitive pu$$ies we have now. And no, the military life does not fit with the values of the snowflake generation. And yes, that probably is one explanation for the number of suicides we see among veterans and active duty.
We are living through a time of major upheaval in our nation's history. We will either come out of it stronger and better (I pray) or it will be the end of us (I fear).
Thank you for your service. Semper Fi. Do or fcukin' die. Ooorah!
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Re: Thanks Chesty. I have said many times before we would NEVER
Jun 17, 2018, 3:05 PM
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have won World War II with the nation of over-sensitive pu$$ies we have now. And no, the military life does not fit with the values of the snowflake generation. And yes, that probably is one explanation for the number of suicides we see among veterans and active duty.
We are living through a time of major upheaval in our nation's history. We will either come out of it stronger and better (I pray) or it will be the end of us (I fear).
Thank you for your service. Semper Fi. Do or fcukin' die. Ooorah!
BINGO!!!! FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS MY POINT! THIS WASN'T A CRY FOR HELP, IT WAS A SEARCH FOR ANSWERS. WHEN YOU HAVE 58 CLOSE FRIENDS RETURN HOME WITH YOU AND PUNCH OUT EARLY IT RAISES SOME QUESTIONS. AS FOR THE SON OF A B***** ON HERE THAT ACCUSE ME OF BEING SOME CON MAN OR SCAMMER, THEY CAN SUCK IT! I DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR OPINIONS... HECK I PROBABLY BANG THEIR OLD LADIES WHEN THEY'RE OUT GOLFING SOMEWHERE... 
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Your comment is nonsense APM...
Jun 17, 2018, 4:12 PM
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I resect you posts, but what you're missing is that people adapt. They are the same as they have always been. If it WWIII right now in a do or die situation we would be as tough as we have always been and was weak as we have always been.
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Doubt it re: adapting. We can't even unite to fight ISIS.
Jun 17, 2018, 8:07 PM
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bc the PC crowd are too upset about someone like DJT who said he would "bomb the sh!t" out of them.
People don't even know evil when they see it anymore.
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APM, I invite you...
Jun 18, 2018, 10:36 AM
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To read all of his responses in this thread and see if you're still on board.
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Re: APM, I invite you...
Jun 18, 2018, 1:25 PM
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You mean my responses to personal attacks from people being #########?
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Re: Your comment is nonsense APM...
Jun 18, 2018, 1:27 PM
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No Carlsbad,
You have an entire generation of emasculated males who cannot even change a tire or use a push mower to trim their yard. You have an entire generation of ingrates who have no idea what it means to sacrifice or work for something. You have an entire generation of people who believe that their feelings are more important than right and wrong. WE ARE WEAKER THAN WE'VE EVER BEEN. It's the decay of morality and it always leads to the collapse of a nation.
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Re: Thanks Chesty. I have said many times before we would NEVER
Jun 18, 2018, 1:43 PM
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Lt.General Puller said it best:
Our country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any America because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race.
~Chesty Puller
Lt.General United States Marine Corps
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POINT IN CASE> I PRESENT DOOKIE-BAG (A)
Jun 19, 2018, 6:35 PM
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This is the type of society we've become. 30 years ago, someone would have stomped the life out of that walking bag of garbage. Sadly, that chump probably lives in his mother's basement at the age of 25, but doesn't have any real working skills to call himself a man. Yet, I'm the misfit right? Please, some of you make me laugh. It's comical relief but also very tragic that many people support this type of behavior and show of expression in our nation today. This is why I do not and WILL NOT become part of this society anymore.
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