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Legend [19944]
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All-TigerNet [12851]
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wonder how he would fare in front of one of his death panels
Feb 20, 2020, 11:30 AM
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He's like 100
He has a history of heart problems
He has no history of discernible income other than government assistance
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All-In [46825]
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Man I remember the death panel conspiracy during ACA
Feb 20, 2020, 11:42 AM
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implementation.
Simpler times in the nutcase world back then.
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Legend [19944]
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This is Bloomberg, not Bernie. But it does kinda sound like
Feb 20, 2020, 11:53 AM
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death panels:
"Not only do we have a problem but we gotta sit here and say which things we're gonna do and which things we're not. No one wants to do that," he said. "If you show up with prostate cancer, you're 95-years-olds, we should say, 'Go and enjoy. Have nice– live a long life.' There's no cure and there's nothing we can do. If you're a young person, we should do something about it. Society’s not willing to do that, yet. So they're gonna bankrupt us."
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All-In [46825]
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Yeah and absolutely no plan
Feb 20, 2020, 11:53 AM
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from any candidate does that.
Scare tactic then. Scare tactic now.
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Oculus Spirit [97716]
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Re: Wasn't this all fixed with Obamacare. I mean that was
Feb 20, 2020, 12:07 PM
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Well, it's either tweak ObamaCare or go full socialist.
Your call. Because this crap isn't working for most of us. Our family income was $80K+...and I'll admit we got into foreclosure and had to file bankruptcy this past year because of medical bills. A few years before that we lost everything we had in a medical software start-up because the guy running it - who had been a heavy in both GHS and Steadman Hawkins - turned out to be a flat-out crook. (Turns out those who do well in hospital administration tend to be crooks, go figure.)
Do you have anything even resembling an actual proposal of your own? Sneering at ObamaCare or Medicare For All is great, but what's your solution?
I am listening.
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Oculus Spirit [97716]
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Go ahead with Medicare for all, or whatever you want to
Feb 20, 2020, 1:34 PM
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call it. "Free" government healthcare for any and everyone who wants it. Have it 100% in house.
Government doctors, hospitals, etc. Non-payers will go there.
THEN leave the private healthcare 100% alone. EVERYONE gets medical care. 80% or more of people would opt for private. Costs would plummet. You, for example, with your income could afford private care with all the medicaid/care patients out of the market, letting it be free again to operate on its own. The poor would still get adequate care and the government would make sure of that.
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All-In [26968]
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How can a President run on "Medicare for All"?
Feb 20, 2020, 12:06 PM
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Congress would have to do that, not a President.
I don't want to hear anything from a Presidential candidate about healthcare, except what he is going to recommend from Congress.
Tell me what you are going to do with the military, justices, and regulations.
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Re: How can a President run on "Medicare for All"?
Feb 21, 2020, 4:03 PM
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You understand that the regulations and the appropriations for those things have to be voted on by Congress, too - right ??
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so even using his generous numbers(most likely)
Feb 20, 2020, 12:07 PM
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I'm losing 5800
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All-In [26968]
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It's a negative from me...
Feb 20, 2020, 12:09 PM
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Probably because we are very healthy, and don't really have much in the way of out-of-pocket expenses usually.
That said, the fact that something would cost me money isn't a reason for me not to support something. I'm willing to sacrifice money if it's a good thing for the country. But I obviously have no idea how this would affect the country at large.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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gov run healthcare, good for the country, lol***
Feb 20, 2020, 12:12 PM
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Does this mean doctors would become employees
Feb 20, 2020, 12:14 PM
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of the federal government? I always thought it was just that the federal government would just pay for all of it, but I don't follow it too closely.
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The latter, with price controls, is the simplistic answer...***
Feb 20, 2020, 12:16 PM
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Re: gov run healthcare, good for the country, lol***
Feb 21, 2020, 4:05 PM
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It works for almost every other developed country in the world - at a lower total cost and with better overall results.
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Re: gov run healthcare, good for the country, lol***
Feb 21, 2020, 4:10 PM
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Orange Blooded [4365]
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It is refreshing to hear someone willing to scarifice
Feb 21, 2020, 4:08 PM
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for the good of the country.
I have been looking into this quite a bit on my own. it seems to me that Medicare for all will save us money overall, cover way more people and with better overall results.
There may be some difficulties as we work our way through the transitions, but universal health care works for dozens of developed countries and with better overall results.
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Rock Defender [53]
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If Medicare for all and government run healthcare is the
Feb 21, 2020, 4:21 PM
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Lutz
Feb 20, 2020, 3:15 PM
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I lose $6,600. My employer loses $4,300.
Looks like a great idea. Sign me up.
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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Is Obamacare the base we really need to work off of?
Feb 21, 2020, 4:09 PM
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Prices increased due to Obamacare. Wipe the slate clean and start over.
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