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Information from the University Concerning NCAA Investigatio

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:57 AM
 

If anyone wants to read

Statement from UM President Donna E. Shalala on NCAA Notice of Allegations
http://www.miami.edu/index.php/ncaa_investigation/

NCAA Enforcement
Integrity. Fair play. Accountability.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/enforcement/index.html

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Enforcement/Process/Penalties

"Institutional control refers to the efforts institutions make to comply with NCAA legislation and to detect and investigate violations that do occur. NCAA member institutions are obligated to maintain appropriate levels of institutional control."

"A lack of institutional control is found when the Committee on Infractions determines that major violations occurred and the institution failed to display:
•Adequate compliance measures.
•Appropriate education on those compliance measures.
•Sufficient monitoring to ensure the compliance measures are followed.
•Swift action upon learning of a violation."

"A failure-to-monitor violation, although serious, is a separate and distinct violation that is considered less significant than a lack of institutional control. Violations resulting from a failure-to-monitor violation are usually limited in scope and do not involve the widespread inadequacies in rules-compliance systems and functions that are often found in lack-of-institutional-control cases."

"Secondary violations are isolated or inadvertent and provide only minimal recruiting, competitive or other advantages. They do not include significant impermissible benefits. If an institution commits several secondary violations, the violations may be collectively considered a major infraction. Secondary violations occur frequently, are usually resolved administratively and are not typically made public. Any violation that is not considered secondary is a major violation. Major violations usually provide an extensive recruiting or competitive advantage, are investigated by NCAA enforcement staff, and can lead to severe penalties against the school and involved individuals."



We shall see

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Re: Information from the University Concerning NCAA Investigatio


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:04 AM
 

What is the “death penalty”?

"The repeat-violator legislation (“death penalty”) is applicable to an institution if, within a five-year period, the following conditions exist:"

"•Following the announcement of a major case, a major violation occurs and
•The second violation occurred within five years of the starting date of the penalty assessed in the first case. The second major case does not have to be in the same sport as the previous case to affect the second sport.
Penalties for repeat violators of legislation, subject to exemptions authorized by the committee on the basis of specifically stated reasons, may include any of the following:"

"•The prohibition of some or all outside competition in the sport involved in the latest major violation for one or two sport seasons and the prohibition of all coaching staff members in that sport from involvement (directly or indirectly) in any coaching activities at the institution during that period
•The elimination of all initial grants-in-aid and recruiting activities in the sport involved in the latest major violation in question for a two-year period.
•The requirement that all institutional staff member serving on the NCAA Board of Directors; Leadership, Legislative, Presidents or Management Councils; Executive Committee or other Association governance bodies resign their positions. All institutional representatives shall be ineligible to serve on any NCAA committee for a period of four years and
•The requirement that the institution relinquish its Association voting privileges for a four-year period."

Not saying or trying to say that Miami will be given this, all depends on how the NCAA looks at how much Miami helped or denied

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Re: Information from the University Concerning NCAA Investigatio

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:16 AM
 

the university's statement is well written and thoughtful. At this point, the NCAA has a far greater credibility problem than the university it is investigating.


Re: Information from the University Concerning NCAA Investigatio


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:22 AM
 

Not really
Miami is accused of letting this go on for over 10 years
NCAA corrected their mis-doings in just a few days
Keep in mind Miami is accused of violations not the NCAA
NCAA is the Judge & Jury
Miami is the defendant

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...and fabricator of evidence.***

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:25 AM
 



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The university's defense is hypocritical, but may work

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:29 AM
 

they are not innocent. Evidence shows that. However the evidence, though true, was gained thru illegal channels.

Miami still did the deed(s)


I dont think its hypocritical. They already had a 2 year

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:40 AM
 

self imposed postseason ban (3 games) along with scholie reductions and recruiting reductions and other things. They are going to argue that the 2 and half year cloud as a blight on the university is also punishment, which it is. This process takes 3 months and it took them 2 and half YEARS! to actually notify them of what the charges are. In other words, Miami isn't denying it, they are just saying that the NCAA took so long that the punishment should be over before the sentence is made. NCAA is late to the party.

It should be over and the NCAA should be blown up and we should start over.

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Do you think that if Miami had a chance for a BCS game


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:14 AM
 

that they would have banned themselves from postseason play? Pick and choose is not much of a self imposed penalty IMO.

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They already did

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:31 AM
 

If I recall, had Miami not self-banned themselves from postseason play last year they would have been the Coastal rep in the ACCCG. Win that game and they're in the BCS.


They had already lost to FSU by 13 during the regular


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:52 PM
 

season so it is a big IF to have made the BCS. Miami knew what they were doing when they sat ou the postseason.

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I'm sure they were cowering in fear at playing FSU again

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:37 PM
 

You really think Miami would refuse a chance to make it to the BCS by beating their archrival in the ACCCG? Come on. That'd be *extra* motivation to play in the ACCCG, not the other way around.


Then WHY did they not play them????? Lost to FSU by


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:29 PM
 

13 at home so it makes sense???? to give up your chance to beat them. So WHY didn't they????

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Re: Then WHY did they not play them????? Lost to FSU by

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Posted: Feb 21, 2013 7:17 AM
 

Because they're trying to mitigate an NCAA smackdown. I'd be a lot more afraid of that than the possibility of losing again to FSU. Your argument is not making a whole lot of sense.


My argument not making a lot of sense? It isn't an argument


Posted: Feb 21, 2013 8:29 AM
 

just facts, which is more than your opinion. IF Miami was serious about mitigating an NCAA smackdown then they would have announced BEFORE the season that they weren't going to participate in the post season, regardless of their record, not after a 7 and 5 season. Really bold of them to cut their successful season short.

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Re: Do you think that if Miami had a chance for a BCS game

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:02 AM
 

What? They could have played in the ACCCG lastyear.

So yes


FSU 33 Miami 20...So more than likely a big NO.***


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:53 PM
 



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Is that the UNC notice?***


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:33 AM
 



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The rules are prertty clear but the problem with the NCAA is

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:05 AM
 

they impose a very subjective interpretation of their own rules to the point of implementing a policy of selective enforcement that is often inconsistently applied.

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Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.


The NCAA is in deep doo doo here legally.

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:36 AM
 

There best option is to accept the self imposed penalties and move on hoping that Miami doesn't sue them, Miami has a helluva case! Penn St, Southern Cal, and many others are probably frothing at the mouth to confront the NCAA!


Did the NCAA over-step its authority....

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:34 PM
 

while investigating Miami. They sure did. Is Shapiro probably lying about the extent to which some illegal benefits were provided out of sheer vindictivness? Probably so. Did the NCAA enforcement staff fail to interview several more credible witnesses? Yup...they did. Does that make Miami any less culpable. Absolutely not.

Regardles of how the NCAA may have obtained some of its information or hanmdled parts of its investigation (which could be categorized as flawed, unprofessional, or even unethical), the fact remains that Miami is still guilty as sin and no amount of anti-NCAA rhetoric from Donna Shalala is going to change that.

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Miami is giulty for sure. The self imposed penalities


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:11 PM
 

are evidence that they know it. In fact it was Miami who self reported all this stuff to begin with. The problem is guilty of what? All the things the media talked about like high end cars, prostitutes and abortion was not proven.

Shapiro said he was going to take down Miami after people at Miami who he thought was his friends ratted him out. Why would he not be over the top in his statements. So the NCAA has to have a second source to substantiate all the mud he slung at Miami. What was released in one of the articles was that the NCAA considered Shapiro saying something twice as being "corroborated".

Is Miami guilty? Yes by their own admission. Of what? God only knows. But you can only punish what you can prove. And in this case- Not a lot.

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Re: Did the NCAA over-step its authority....

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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:38 PM
 

"Regardles of how the NCAA may have obtained some of its information or hanmdled parts of its investigation (which could be categorized as flawed, unprofessional, or even unethical), the fact remains that Miami is still guilty as sin and no amount of anti-NCAA rhetoric from Donna Shalala is going to change that."

Very well said, maybe she will read t-net


Everybody throws out the SUE threat. Doubt that Miami


Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:56 PM
 

will sure and WHY don't the others.

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Regardless of statements by any of the parties, it seems


Posted: Feb 21, 2013 6:23 AM
 

as if this matter has gone on long enough and needs to be resolved now by the NCAA. There are a myriad of opinions floating, but I can only imagine what we would be saying if Clemson had been tied up this long by an NCAA investigation. Thus, I think the old vernacular is appropriate: It's time for the NCAA to cr@p and get off the pot.

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