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Remember how much of a House of Horrors Winston-Salem
Sep 10, 2020, 12:20 PM
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used to be for the Tigers with Bowden?
That Independent Article alludes to it but it's hard to believe how truly bad we used to be at Wake. Even when we won up there it was a nightmare:
- 2003: Wake goes up 45-0 on the Tigers before we score 17 garbage points in what was probably the low point of Bowden's entire Clemson Tenure (maybe the '04 Duke game...)
- 2005: We lose 35-27 to a 4-7 Wake team
- 2006: Because of a fluke in the conference scheduling, we have to go back-to-back years at Wake. Clemson struggles for 3 quarters, Wake goes to kick a FG at the beginning of the 4th quarter to go up 20-3 when Gaines Adams man-handles their kicker and returns the ball for a TD, spurring on an improbable Clemson comeback.
- 2008: Tigers go up to Wake and lay an absolute egg. CJ Spiller, arguably the greatest offensive weapon in Clemson history, gets TWO offensive touches before leaving with an injury in the second quarter.
Probably also worth mentioning that in the '04 game at DV, we came in preseason top 15 and had to go into double OT to beat Wake. And these were not good Wake Forest teams--ironically the one team we did beat up there during that stretch (2006) went 11-3 and won the ACC.
FWIW, Dabo is 11-0 vs. Wake, 5-0 in W-S with an average score of 40.8-11.8.
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Re: Remember how much of a House of Horrors Winston-Salem
Sep 10, 2020, 12:23 PM
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But T.B. is a good Christian man, (wink)...
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Re: Remember how much of a House of Horrors Winston-Salem
Sep 10, 2020, 12:40 PM
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they had Bowden's number like #ick DSheridan had Danny's .
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Sometimes I kind of think that Syracuse might be Dabo's
Sep 10, 2020, 12:46 PM
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version...
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Just about everywhere but Columbia...
Sep 10, 2020, 12:47 PM
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was house of horrors for Bowden. His teams were so unbelievably inconsistent.
Beat a nationally ranked Miami team in Miami one week and turn around and lose to Duke the next.
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Re: Just about everywhere but Columbia...
Sep 10, 2020, 1:06 PM
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Consistency comes with talent and depth.
Without it, you'd basically NC State.
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Re: Just about everywhere but Columbia...
Sep 10, 2020, 2:07 PM
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But NC State has been STUPIDLY consistent
1993-99 Mike O'Cain 7 41-40 .506
2000-06 Chuck Amato 7 49-37 .570
2007-12 Tom O'Brien 6 40-36 .526
2013–present Dave Doeren 7 47–42 .528
But otherwise I agrere
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wow, looks very much like the coots of the south
Sep 10, 2020, 3:31 PM
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they are like.. sister schools. They also play like girls
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Nancy State has often been referred to as...
Sep 10, 2020, 4:28 PM
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the uof6c of the ACC.
Incredibly mediocre program with limited talent and only average to below average coaching. Both fan bases are unbelievably ignorant and deluded.
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Tom O'brien had such a weird career--he had a good thing
Sep 10, 2020, 3:35 PM
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going at BC, jumped ship for at best a lateral move in the same Division, flamed out, and hasn't coached since....
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Re: Just about everywhere but Columbia...
Sep 10, 2020, 1:12 PM
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Like hearing of the Kennedy Assassination, i can go to the exact spot i was sitting, listening to that field goal and i live 500 miles away... It breaks the heart...
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Ditto. I also have a very distinct memory for some reason of
Sep 10, 2020, 1:38 PM
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one of the local TV stations down here airing a clip of them telling SC St HC Buddy Pugh that Clemson had lost to Duke and he looked shocked.
I remember sitting in my car listening to them lineup the game-winning FG and it was like 53 yards or something pretty far and turning to my buddy --"There's no way they make this! We're gonna pull it out in OT!"
Doesn't seem like 2004 was that long ago but can you believe having any games now that you'd only be able to listen to on the radio?
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Re: Ditto. I also have a very distinct memory for some reason of
Sep 10, 2020, 2:03 PM
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I’ll never forget the game Ford lost to Duke, Spurrier & Cuthbert on the road. I was listening to the game on the radio. Now with Bowden the unexpected losses were just frustrating and too expected.
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As revered as Ford is, after the '81 season, he was good
Sep 10, 2020, 3:29 PM
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for about a head-scratcher a year that kept us out of National Title contention.
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I was at the game...
Sep 10, 2020, 2:07 PM
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and to this day I still maintain that a big gust of wind blew just as the Duke kicker attempted that FG.
A few other things I remember about that game:
1 - Clemson could not throw the ball at all even with two speedy receivers (Stuckey and Currie) that were faster than ANYONE in the Duke secondary,
2 - The coaches pulled Reggie Merriweather. Reggie was running all over the Duke defense late, but the coaches pulled him and put in Duane Coleman which totally killed the momentum.
3 - Duke had something like 20 total yards rushing the entire game, but beat us consistently up the middle and on the left side with passes to a TE that Clemson never did figure out how to cover.
4 - Special teams play was horrid (1 fumble, 4 kick returns for a total of 20 yards, and 2 punt returns for a total of 5 yards). Jack Hines, Bowden's brother-in-law, was the coach for special teams.
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Re: Remember how much of a House of Horrors Winston-Salem
Sep 10, 2020, 1:42 PM
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I remember it all too well. They had more gimmicks than Rob Spence and Chad Morris combined, and it had us stuck with our you know what up our you know what.
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Re: Remember how much of a House of Horrors Winston-Salem
Sep 10, 2020, 1:46 PM
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Me and some buddies drove up from Charleston to Winston-Salem for the 2003 game...that was a long $&*%# ride home.
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I was in HS at the time on a trip with no access to the
Sep 10, 2020, 3:37 PM
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score so I called into one of the local network affiliates to ask what the score was and the guy didn't tell me the score, just said "I don't think the Tigers are gonna pull it out, man...."
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Re: Remember how much of a House of Horrors Winston-Salem
Sep 10, 2020, 3:39 PM
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I remember beating Miami one week then losing at Duke the next. Could not even buy a score.
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Re: Remember how much of a House of Horrors Winston-Salem
Sep 10, 2020, 4:56 PM
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Maybe it is the name.
The final nail in the coffin for Jeff Bowden being OC at FSU was a 30-0 beatdown at Wake. He announced he was leaving FSU two days later.
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Re: Remember how much of a House of Horrors Winston-Salem
Sep 10, 2020, 5:11 PM
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I went to that game in 08. Probably the worst experience I've ever seen in person. Team had no energy from beginning to end and lost to a group they should have handled easily. I don't go to many away games and that one made me take a break for a few years. Turrible.
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