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I see a lot of concern with OL recruiting and what not
Jan 20, 2014, 1:41 PM
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Is 16/17 OL not enough? Are you guys just anticipating future departures of these guys? I think FSU won a NT with several fewer OL and one or two of those starters were converted from DL. Just curious why you guys seem are fretting about the numbers?
1)Jay Guillermo
2)Shaq Anthony
3)Isaiah Battle
4)David Beasley
5)Darrell Brevard
6)Tyrone Crowder
7)Kalon Davis
8)Joe Gore
9)Oliver Jones
10)Eric Mac Lain
11)Jerome Maybank
12)Maverick Morris
13)Ryan Norton
14)Spencer Region
15)Gifford Timothy
16)Harrison Tucker
17)Reid Webster
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Re: I see a lot of concern with OL recruiting and what not
Jan 20, 2014, 1:49 PM
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Gif gave up football due to injury; Region got out of shape and hasn't done anything, Guillermo remains to be proven.
Many others have to show that they can protect the QB and with some of the issues seen last year, you would think one of them would have been put in to help
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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we have had a LOT of attrition for a few years now. I like
Jan 20, 2014, 2:24 PM
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to sign a few to each class, we have two commits so far AND I trust the coaching staff!
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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We lose 10 over the next 2 years to graduation
Jan 20, 2014, 1:51 PM
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It takes time to develop an OLman. We should be bringing in 3-5 OL a year and plan for a 5 year cycle with them. Plus a significant number of OLmen never pan out to be more than spot players.
And with our offense, we need to be able to rotate in linemen so we might actually need more than the average.
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Chad has specifically said he'd rather not rotate
Jan 20, 2014, 1:57 PM
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But what does he know?
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A whole lot less than the yahoos in here.***
Jan 20, 2014, 3:25 PM
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I'm an admitted yahoo, but my I'll never be a woohoo-er...***
Jan 20, 2014, 3:28 PM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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If you look at our participation stats, he rotates a bunch
Jan 20, 2014, 5:21 PM
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we play a number of various OL combinations during the games. Its never wholesale substitutions, but our OL folks (that can actually contribute) aren't hurting for playing time.
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Re: I see a lot of concern with OL recruiting and what not
Jan 20, 2014, 1:51 PM
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How many do we lose the next 2 years?
That's the concern. We have signed 2 last year and are signing 2 this year.
Averaging 2 per year, even if they all redshirt equals 10 total offensive linemen. That's not enough.
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I hear we will lose 17
Jan 20, 2014, 1:53 PM
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In the next 4 years.
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Good heavens! ***Dabo signs 17 next cycle***
Jan 20, 2014, 1:57 PM
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Re: I hear we will lose 17
Jan 20, 2014, 1:58 PM
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You'd be wrong, because Crowder and Morris redshirted.
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Re: I see a lot of concern with OL recruiting and what not
Jan 20, 2014, 1:57 PM
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#'s 5 and 16 on your list are walkons. I doubt they are really in mix for signifigant pt since we have heard so little about them. I'm all for us developing OL that are wlakons. Nebraska has for years. Tommy Sharp is the only one I remember her at CU for a while
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Great list with guys not even on the team anymore and walkon
Jan 20, 2014, 1:58 PM
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You can start by removing Giff Timothy from the list, and you can end by telling us who Brevard and Tucker are.
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'Guys' is plural, you mean Giff only? My bad.***
Jan 20, 2014, 2:01 PM
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I know DeStefano, Thomas and Shatley were gone...wasn't
Jan 20, 2014, 2:03 PM
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aware Giff was done.
Admittedly, those guys are walk ons, but that doesn't mean they can't contribute.
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Thanks, sucks for him...he didn't appear to be playing well
Jan 20, 2014, 2:10 PM
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after that concussion...
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But you do save the horses for the championship when you're
Jan 20, 2014, 2:55 PM
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up by 30...
But I know what you mean and agree. It'd be nice to get some experience and some highly rated freshman. I'm looking forward to Hyatt...I think he's ours to lose.
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No, no...I remembered their names, birthdays, height, weight
Jan 20, 2014, 2:12 PM
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their favorite colors, hobbies....
but yes, I'm guilty.
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Would you rather have Dabo offer a dud
Jan 20, 2014, 2:01 PM
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And have him take up a scholly for 5 years? I would rather be willing to go into a season with 7 OL and try again next recruiting cycle then offer someone just to fill a blind number push.
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Re: Would you rather have Dabo offer a dud
Jan 20, 2014, 2:03 PM
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I'd rather him not try to sign every w/r in the free world. we need a few blockers.
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Country gentleman
Jan 20, 2014, 2:04 PM
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Are you expecting a medical redshirt to extend Morris or Crowder past the 4 years of eligibility they have left?
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Re: Country gentleman
Jan 20, 2014, 2:07 PM
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No - I;m counting the present year they are in.
They have four more seasons to compete and working off the 2 Olinemen we will sign in Feb 2014.
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Plus I've heard Jabril Robinson was projected to play OL?
Jan 20, 2014, 2:08 PM
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Is this right?
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I thnk we will be converting a few DT's as well
Jan 20, 2014, 2:09 PM
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DT's usually make good OL....as they usually have good footwork.
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Re: I thnk we will be converting a few DT's as well
Jan 20, 2014, 2:13 PM
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Who?
Shatley worked out. What others have played?
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Re: I thnk we will be converting a few DT's as well
Jan 20, 2014, 2:20 PM
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WE have been working on Gore and I read some where on here they were thinking of a few others......I don't remember who.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Exactly
Jan 20, 2014, 2:12 PM
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Sometime in the next four years they will leave CU and we will have to replace them. Either way you missed the point.
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Re: Exactly
Jan 20, 2014, 2:16 PM
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No - you missed the point. We lose the majority of our offensive linemen in the nest two years. Offensive line is the largest position group on the football field (Five). Offensive linemen are the hardest position to develop from a physical and mental standpoint and we need to sign more than 2 per year.
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the country gmen has the point, some of you are missing it
Jan 20, 2014, 2:30 PM
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I don't think I have to point out which
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Well once you get past the first 8-9, none of the guys
Jan 20, 2014, 2:22 PM
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on our roster are D1 caliber players.
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Easy Gentleman
Jan 20, 2014, 2:30 PM
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I realize your concerne is for the 58% of our scholarship linemen losing eligibility in two years. Just wanted to make you aware that we will have to replace 100% in 4. Seems like we are just a couple scholarships off from having even rotation. I wonder if that has anything to do with the dandy dozen finally cycling out. Probably would be working out better if we hadn't offered a few duds that are taking up scholarships we could have offered this cycle. Glad Dabo didn't make that mistake again and that you are not in charge of recruiting.
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Re: Easy Gentleman
Jan 20, 2014, 2:34 PM
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I'll agree we need more players, not bodies/numbers.
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totally agree I'm not just counting helmets or just rolling
Jan 20, 2014, 2:55 PM
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any five out
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All I was saying is that FSU did it with less, and 2
Jan 20, 2014, 3:00 PM
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starters were converted from DL. If Jabril is going to be converted like some on here seem to believe plus Cannon Smith maybe be a future OL, then maybe the numbers aren't as off as some would have you to believe. Pagano may even be a OL before all is said and done...he's apparently has a mean streak which would be nice to see on the OL...
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FSU has 20 folks listed as OL on their 2013 roster
Jan 20, 2014, 3:17 PM
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And they are in much the same boat as we are. They have 10 of them that are Jr and above.
They brought in 8 OL in 11, and are bringing in 6 in 14. 12 and 13 were low for them with only 5 total.
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Hmm, that blows my mind. Seems like a few months ago I
Jan 20, 2014, 3:30 PM
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created a thread comparing the numbers and FSU only had ~14 on the roster. Either time has slipped faster or I was looking at an outdated website. From now on everyone knows to take what I say with grade of slaw...
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Could be that some of these were Redshirted
Jan 20, 2014, 5:17 PM
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and weren't on an earlier roster. And/or you were looking at a depth chart and not a full roster. and/or were converted from another position during the season.
Any number of reasons for the difference. But it sure looks like FSU wants to carry more OLmen than we do.
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Agreed
Jan 20, 2014, 2:48 PM
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But I think our OL is better than some think. I also think there are capable replacements in the fold. We have this year and next to be choosey and I hope we nail it on the trail. After that I'll be worried but not until then.
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I see some coots on FGF are prete***
Jan 20, 2014, 2:59 PM
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I see some coots on FGF are pretending they beat us in the trenches this year
Jan 20, 2014, 3:01 PM
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That better not be what this is about. The only game that I wasn't happy with the way our OL performed was the one Giff was concussed in. Other than that we held our own or were better than everyone we played.
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Agreed...our 195 lbs RB who didn't start till his senior
Jan 20, 2014, 3:11 PM
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year rushed for over 1000...testament to our OL.
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FSU takes Juco players
Jan 20, 2014, 3:18 PM
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A tough comparison there.
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Re: I see a lot of concern with OL recruiting and what not
Jan 20, 2014, 5:31 PM
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I think the bigger question is not the quantity but the quality
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Peyton Manning is only as good as his O line.***
Jan 20, 2014, 5:33 PM
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I'm more concerned w/ future DT numbers. Hopefully we load
Jan 20, 2014, 6:43 PM
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up on some hosses next cycle.
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Rivals shows us as having only 1 O line signed commit. Scary***
Jan 20, 2014, 6:48 PM
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Re: Rivals shows us as having only 1 O line signed commit. Scary***
Jan 20, 2014, 7:11 PM
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look again
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