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Factoring IPTAY Fees into ticket prices: CHANGE MY MIND

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:04 AM
 

Sort of feel like some folks here think it is wrong/bad for those of selling tickets to games to ask more than face. I am selling my personal USC tickets for well more than face because my IPTAY "donation" is not small (read multiple thousands). Does that make me a bad person? I don't think so, but maybe I am wrong.

CHANGE MY MIND.


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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:09 AM
 

No it doesn’t make you a bad person, it’s called free market capitalism. It’s the same reason i didn’t get mad when someone bought 60 dollar face value tickets for 41.73 on stubhub.

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:39 AM
 

You are welcome to ask whatever you want to ask for tickets but don’t try to justify it based on The cost of Iptay. Your Iptay dues enable you to sit in the same spot every game/year plus a parking pass plus other perks. Someone buying single game tickets do not benefit from any of those things so they should not be expected to pay for your benefits.

So man up and call it what it is rather than hiding behind your Iptay dues.


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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 8:41 AM
 

If want to sell your ticket and can make money, go for it. You do not have to justify your actions to anyone. For the record, I am an Alum and 34 year member of IPTAY. I have sat through games that I could not give away the tickets. I am enjoying what we have now and am not taking it for granted. Go Tigers!


You're overlooking one important thing.


Posted: Nov 17, 2018 9:58 AM
 

Someone buying single game tickets can't get seats that good without being an IPTAY member. Can you spell "top corner of the upper deck"?

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I do not have a problem with you selling your tickets above

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:41 AM
 

face value. It's supply and demand.
Your IPTAY donation is a charity to help students-athletes at Clemson. I believe your argument is poor if if think you are covering your costs because you are an IPTAY donor. Don't use that excuse to sell your tickets above face value. Sell your tickets what you think they are worth. Keep IPTAY out of it. It almost a slap in the face of the hard working Clemson students-athletes who benefit from IPTAY donations.
If you told me that reason I would I would look elsewhere. That's why I use Stubhub anyway. Sometimes I can purchase well below face value. My parents....and I shared our IPTAY membership together for 37 years until my last year in 2016. Costs got a little too much for me. When I sold any of my season tickets ( only a few times though) to someone I always did face value. That was just me.:)


Those same people sure don't...

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:42 AM
 

b!tch and moan when they manage to find tickets to the less-popular games for significantly less than face value even though someone somewhere is losing money.

If they whine and complain about having to pay inflated prices for tickets to the more popular game...THAT'S JUST TOO FRIGGIN' BAD !!!!! You can't have it both ways.

If you want to be guaranteed that you'll have a ticket to every game at face value, join IPTAY and become a season ticket holder like the rest of us.





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Re: Those same people sure don't...

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:48 AM
 

BigCUFan® said:

b!tch and moan when they manage to find tickets to the less-popular games for significantly less than face value even though someone somewhere is losing money.

If they whine and complain about having to pay inflated prices for tickets to the more popular game...THAT"S JUST TOO FRIGGIN' BAD !!!!! You can't have it both ways.

If you want to be guaranteed that you'll have a ticket to every game at face value, join IPTAY and become a season ticket holder like the rest of us.



The actual value of a crap game ticket is less than face value but season ticket holders are required to pay above face value to gain the right of season tickets in the same spot


The face value is adjusted based on the opponent...

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:54 AM
 

A Ticket to the Clemson/Furman game was $45.00 while a ticket to the Clemson/u5c game is $115.00 which does not include the seat equity fee; a very real cost for the person who owns the ticket and I have no problem with people asking for more than face to cover that cost.

The solution is simple; if people don't like it, they have the option of not buying the ticket. Someone else will. Everybody is happy.

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Price vs Value...


Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:57 AM
 

The price is what you pay for it. The value of a ticket is what people are willing to pay for it. Some games are less, some games are more. There are many people that don't spend thousands donating to IPTAY b/c they only care about the bigger games. Most of these people expect to pay over the printed value and this is a driving force in the increased market value.


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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:51 AM
 

Of course you're not a bad person. The bad person is the one who begrudges you trying to get back some of the money you invested in that ticket. We have the same point-of-view: for the right to buy the tickets we have, we make a $7,500 donation to IPTAY that includes premium seat charges. Divide that by seven home games = $1,071 per game. Divide that by the number of tickets (we have six) and that's $178 per ticket ON TOP OF THE FACE VALUE, making the cost of each ticket well over $200. Even though the printed ticket might say $85.00, that in no way represents its real cost. We struggle each year to keep these seats for our family, and now that the IPTAY donations are no longer tax-deductible, it costs us even more than in the past. And the required IPTAY donation for us will increase by $500 next year, so the tickets will end up costing even more. So more power to you - hope you can recoup some of your investment for the SC game. But just don't sell to a Gamecock!

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 9:48 AM
 

Gamecocks aren’t the smartest bunch (probably due to the pea sized brain), but not even the stupidest Gamecock would pay top dollar to watch the upcoming beat down.

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Since your DONATION to Iptay (a charitable org)


Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:55 AM
 

has been 80% tax deductible for many years, you should sell the tickets below face value. Don't forget to deduct what parking would cost for home games. Oh, also the face value tickets for post season games that you qualify for because of your Iptay status.

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Re: Since your DONATION to Iptay (a charitable org)


Posted: Nov 17, 2018 8:29 AM
 

In truth it NEVER should have been a charitable tax deduction as you received something of value in return. Hardly charitable in my fiscal conservative view.

Same as the folks now crying over the cap on State and Property taxes on the Federal forms. These items should have never been a deduction in fact as it just allowed poorly run States to continue raising taxes to cover their foolish spending. I chose to live where I do for a valid tax reason and running the numbers validates it over the long run by multiples of dollars to be saved. Example, my property taxes run $2400 but in Texas they would run $14k. When I was making serious money it would have saved me money to live in Texas but since I no longer have that level of income( also source of income ) my State taxes and property taxes come out to be far less combined by about $8k a year where I chose to live. Sometime a no income tax State makes little sense financially.

It will be interesting to see how the new rules work out for Universities going forward, sure big time programs will still be able to make it work but then again all it takes is another downturn in the economy to put that to the test.


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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:55 AM
 

Face value of YOUR tickets does indeed include IPTAY costs to obtain said tickets. Folks that deny that fact are obviously not very good with numbers or money. Now depending upon seat locations and said IPTAY donations, how much you can get for certain tickets is a variable to call it a break even type situation. I do not think any more or less of someone selling a ticket for more than face value, it is just business.


Free Markets MAGA

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:56 AM
 

In the United States most of us like the benefits of free market capitalism. We enjoy grocery stores full of food, department stores full of anything material a person needs for a full life. All of those niceties are driven by the profit motive.

Because I am an American and want to keep our free markets working, when I sell one of my Clemson tickets, I price it accordingly. I'm sold dozens of tickets over the past 50 years for way less than I paid to acquire them. I've also sold other tickets, probably less than than a dozen for way more than I paid to acquire them. I will continue to do that without regard to anyone else's opinion on the value of my tickets, the price of my tickets or to whom I should sell my tickets.

I got more than $500/ticket for my extra Notre Dame tickets a few years ago. The buyer was an Irish fan. When I go to ND for a game, I'm expecting some Irish fan will sell me tickets. The seller will set his price based on price. I'll pay the market price.

I don't understand Clemson people who don't support a free market economy and don't think it's a good idea for other Clemson fans to sell tickets for more than face value to fans of other teams. I've been to several hundred Clemson games in Death Valley. There has NEVER been a time when the Tigers did not enjoy a tremendous home field advantage of a stadium that was overwhelmingly pro-Clemson.

If you a socialist Clemson fan and you want to be on someone else's dole, then be my guest at complaining about the price I set and the people who buy my tickets.

Go Tigers!!

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Would you be willing to NOT sell them at all if you don't

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 7:57 AM
 

get your price? Just curious. I don't have a problem if you sell them at a 300% mark up. If they sell, there's a market.

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I agree


Posted: Nov 17, 2018 8:08 AM
 

It's a free market. Get what you can for them. It's a luxury item. It's not like you're jacking up the price of gas during a mandatory hurricane evacuation. The market will dictate the price and you assume all risk if you have tickets nobody wants. And let's face it... nobody that's able to afford IPTAY and several tickets is doing it as a significant source of supplemental income. You might turn a small profit, but you're not buying a house on the beach because of it.

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 8:10 AM
 

You need to change your handle........sec


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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 8:17 AM
 

I use stubhub and always pay more than face + a reasonable IPTAY pro-rated cost assignment for the tickets I buy.

Your selling your tickets for more than face price is perfectly OK imo.... it is a matter of seat location and supply/demand. The tickets are your property and are worth what you can agree with a willing buyer.

But - I don't buy the argument that IPTAY costs are the reason for selling above face.... it may be personal justification, but not a rational argument. The minute a buyer pays you face value + IPTAY pro-rated costs, you are no longer the IPTAY contributor (for those particular tickets). You're now a middle man and only passing through the IPTAY "donation". Your name may be on the IPTAY roles, but you're not the donor, unless you could have gotten those same tickets without being an IPTAY donor.

It has always been a convoluted question, but you should not feel guilty about it - nor should you feel entitled to charge more than fair market value because of your decision to become an IPTAY donor. You should set your price and live with the results without apology.

The whole idea of donating is normally to give freely for greater good, without an expectation of financial return, but some donate in order to generate profit - not a very good behavior.


I mostly agree with you, BUT

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 8:35 AM
 

Almost every IPTAY donor gives in order to buy football tickets and park. You can call the payment whatever you want, but if there was no football benefit, the money flowing in would be considerably less. The price for all the seats in the bleachers of Memorial Stadium are the same, lower deck 50 or top corner of upper. Generally speaking, your IPTAY status determines where you sit, thus has some relevance to price of your seat.

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Re: I mostly agree with you, BUT


Posted: Nov 17, 2018 10:15 AM
 

That's not entirely correct - certain "premium seats" require an additional premium seat assessment.

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 8:21 AM
 

You can sell your tickets for $1M each for all I care. Just don’t be upset when no one buys them. Just like how these people asking $300 for a game against a team that isn’t even bowl eligible. We will wait until your running around with your head cut off asking for $150-175. Because it will happen. we will be waiting then.

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Do what you want with your own tickets


Posted: Nov 17, 2018 9:12 AM
 

You pay dearly for them

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Posted: Nov 17, 2018 9:17 AM
 

The same people that complain about more than face..... never want to pay face for non premium games. To #### with em

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