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This is exactly what happened in Germany prior to WWII.***
Aug 2, 2015, 9:17 PM
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No, social media didn't exist back then...
Aug 2, 2015, 10:44 PM
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and TCU is a private Christian university.
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Re: This is exactly what happening here & now in USA!!!???
Aug 3, 2015, 10:37 AM
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We are doomed if we don't stop this victim mentality & politically correct ########....it has already gotten out of hand.
Its funny too, but athletes say & do much worse stuff (legally & on social media), yet many of them get less harsh treatment or no penalty at all it seems....
Totally not trying do racist or anything, but I'd be curious to just know what those all involved were categorized ethnically & religiously.....I thinks I see some clues as to the unfair treatment of this kid.
pointing out facts isn't being racist, imo....just stating the truth, which sometimes hurts.
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Re: I lost some respect for TCU
Aug 2, 2015, 9:41 PM
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I agree!
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Re: I lost some respect for TCU
Aug 2, 2015, 9:49 PM
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Can't imagine what they would have done to Jameis Winston.
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Funny...I just gained some.***
Aug 2, 2015, 9:54 PM
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Were you on Waters World last week?***
Aug 2, 2015, 10:00 PM
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Re: Funny...I just gained some.***
Aug 2, 2015, 10:46 PM
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You gained respect for them for denying a student the protections our founders placed in The Constitution?
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I back the school's right to determine what their athletes
Aug 3, 2015, 12:07 PM
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can and can't post. Do you disagree with that?
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Yes. The fact that I support a school denying a
Aug 3, 2015, 12:08 PM
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student-athlete the right to post garbage means I'm a communist.
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Goodbye, free speech.***
Aug 2, 2015, 9:56 PM
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He is going to TCU a private Christian school...
Aug 2, 2015, 10:47 PM
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when you go to a private Christian school they have certain guidelines for behavior. Kid can go to any public school and post the same stuff and suffer no consequences. But, he chose to attend a private Christian school. So in this matter, he brought all of this on himself.
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Re: He is going to TCU a private Christian school...
Aug 3, 2015, 6:58 AM
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By your standard then, the fact that you claim to be a Clemson fan and I find your lack of intellect "offensive", you should be banned from Tigernet and prohibited from mentioning Clemson in any public forum. Hopefully, this will enlighten you to the danger of your position in this matter.
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Re: He is going to TCU a private Christian school...
Aug 4, 2015, 3:08 PM
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If Crump or B-Meist want to ban anyone, they can do so. You don't run T-Net, therefore you have no say in who gets banned.
This is a privately-run forum, just as TCU is a privately-run university. The First Amendment only protects you from the government, not private individuals or organizations.
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I'm sure they'll take that under consideration.***
Aug 3, 2015, 12:10 PM
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You don't really understand what free speech means
Aug 3, 2015, 12:09 PM
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as governed by the Constitution, do you?
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I think I understand it quite well.***
Aug 3, 2015, 12:27 PM
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You clearly don't. If I'm not mistaken, TCU is a private
Aug 5, 2015, 7:55 AM
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institution, right? So he's absolutely free to say what he did, and they're absolutely free to suspend him or no longer accept his money.
I'm assuming this is where you disappear.
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Re: I lost some respect for TCU
Aug 2, 2015, 10:11 PM
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Welcome to our new world. As long as this type of over-reach continues, none of us are safe. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that TCU didn't offer him a refund.
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I would have refused, let TCU expel me and sue them
Aug 2, 2015, 10:12 PM
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This is how a courageous warrior for freedom needs to act!
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That is what it is going to take. It seems liberals can say
Aug 2, 2015, 10:16 PM
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anything they want without rebuke, but anything conservative that is disputed by say, 20 people, LOL, can be cause for dismissal. If people can speak their minds in open debate, what is the alternative? Covert threats of violence? That is not what made this country great. That would lead to our demise.
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TCU is a Christian school and he was using obscenities..
Aug 2, 2015, 10:37 PM
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and racial slurs in his posts. When you go to a Christian college, you have a higher standard to live up to. Christian colleges and universities don't tolerate the behavior secular colleges do. So instead of blaming liberals for this incident, your real target is Christian schools for expecting better behavior out of their students.
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Once again, you show your own racism and general hatred of
Aug 2, 2015, 10:41 PM
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all conservatives. There is nothing racist about saying you don't like muslims.
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First off I didn't comment on what he posted...
Aug 2, 2015, 10:51 PM
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Secondly, you can't be racist against muslims, because there are muslims from multiple ethnicities. And finally, I didn't say a thing about "conservatives".
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there is when you use profanity and racial pejoratives,
Aug 2, 2015, 10:51 PM
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which he apparently did, numerously, in other posts. Let me guess: you're one of the folks who can't grasp why black people aren't as thrilled about Tillman Hall being named after a domestic terrorist as you are.
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the guys been dead 100 years - when do you stop hating?
Aug 2, 2015, 11:34 PM
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oh I forgot, that's just you being a victim....
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No, I don't understand how people can be offended by a dead
Aug 2, 2015, 11:39 PM
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guy, but seem to have no problem with the current leader of the black panthers urging blacks to go out and kill white people TODAY.
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Re: No, I don't understand how people can be offended by a dead
Aug 3, 2015, 12:53 AM
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Please post your proof of this.
Site two sources meaning use only one of the following... Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, OReilly, FoxNews, Cheney, Rumsfeld or Rove.
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Re: Sorry, Brian Williams wasn't there covering for the
Aug 3, 2015, 6:42 AM
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That's one ignorant black dude by all means
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Re: there is when you use profanity and racial pejoratives,
Aug 3, 2015, 7:32 AM
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Just curious since you bring up what I thought was a DEAD SUBJECT for the season:
Let me guess: You're a Black person that went to CLEMSON or currently attends that knew up front that CLEMSON had a building named after Tillman? But you went there anyway, or became a fan of CLEMSON anyway. You know - that BS doesn't make any sense to me. If you know something rubs your ### the wrong way, but you support it anyway, but just want to change it and be a royal pizzhead about it - that's pretty ###### stupid IMO.
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Re: please give evidence of said "racial slur"?!?! we're waiting
Aug 3, 2015, 10:57 AM
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FYI: "hoodrat" is not a racist term, neither is "sh1thead Muslim"....yet it does describe many people very well indeed.
like coots describes the delusional yardbirds lovers of USuCk.
the discipline was waaaaay too harsh. If he & his comments didn't meet their university conduct standards, then a strong warning or slap on the wrist, while outlining what is & isn't acceptable to TCU, would've been quite sufficient!
This is a blatant attack of his rights to freedom of speech & expression, as well as the freedoms granted by the constitution of the USA...all states adhere to.
what I don't get, is there are things said about conservatives & Christains, personal freedom activists, people who believe in the founding principles, and anyone who isn't a progressive liberal supporter of Obama & his cronies.....yet THEY can say whatever they want that's offensive to others & it's ok?!?!
And don't forget! We white racists have a long way to go, since we're all alike & the Charleston shooter could've been our son....but not all Muslims are terrorist extremists, so we can't call them that or names, even when it's a proven fact they are radical sociopath nutjobs....that just wouldn't be politically correct.
you know, because us & Cuba are ready to put the past behind & unite.....but we can't get past our own history without trying to demonize a group that had nothing to do with our scarred past.
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the world will realize too late that liberals make far worse tyrant than conservatives***
Aug 2, 2015, 10:32 PM
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I disagree... Hitter and Stalin were pretty bad lefty statists***
Aug 2, 2015, 10:54 PM
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Hitler was a far right wing fascist who hated any kind of...
Aug 2, 2015, 11:15 PM
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lefty, thats a historical fact.
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but then you've got Lenin, Stalin, Castro, and Hillary to
Aug 2, 2015, 11:32 PM
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make excuses for...
along with the Chinese, the Vietnamese, and any number of rogue African tyrants.
And while you claim Hitler was "right-wing", the current batch of liberals in this country are no more inclusive than he was.
The only people who are invited into the Democratic party are those that know how claim being a "victim".
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110%er [5012]
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Exactly!***
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"Will be"? try is and has been and will celebrate it.***
Aug 3, 2015, 6:24 AM
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at what point does the Arab world become responsible for its own mess?
Aug 3, 2015, 10:11 AM
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people like you keep talking about Islam being a religion of peace.
Effin' great! then show it, twiddle-dee....
those people over there have been butt-hurt ever since Egypt's 6-day War failed...
or they've been butt-hurt ever since a Nation that existed thousands of years ago was reconstituted in the 1940's out of land that the Arabs had since claimed for themselves....
or they've been butt-hurt since some imperialistic European kings sought to exert control over their Religion's geographic home...
or - well - they're just butt-hurt; and they want to blame their insistent emotionalism on everyone else.
Grow the F**K UP.
When Iran, Syria, Yemen, and Saudi Arabia start clamping down on Islamic "schools" which actively promote violent solutions, and when American/European Muslims openly separate themselves politically and scripturally from these radical regimes,
then, and only then, I'll treat Muslims as if they are "non-violent".
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Re: at what point does the Arab world become responsible for its own mess?
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> people like you keep talking about Islam being a religion of peace.
>Effin' great! then show it, twiddle-dee....
I never said it was a religion of peace, I simply said you shouldn't paint an entire religion with a broad brush. Are all christian's KKK members or westboro members? No? Well neither are all muslims terrorist and by a large majority so you are either ill-informed or just an #######.
> those people over there have been butt-hurt ever since Egypt's 6-day War failed...
> or they've been butt-hurt ever since a Nation that existed thousands of years ago was reconstituted in the 1940's out of land that the Arabs had since claimed for themselves....
> or they've been butt-hurt since some imperialistic European kings sought to exert control over their Religion's geographic home...
> or - well - they're just butt-hurt; and they want to blame their insistent emotionalism on everyone else.
> Grow the F**K UP.
I think it's you that needs to grow up and calm down. You sound like a mouth-breathing skinhead.
> When Iran, Syria, Yemen, and Saudi Arabia start clamping down on Islamic "schools" which actively promote violent solutions, and when American/European Muslims openly separate themselves politically and scripturally from these radical regimes,
> then, and only then, I'll treat Muslims as if they are "non-violent".
You can do whatever you want and play your stupid religious war games. Just realize that you are in pretty poor company.
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let's be clear here... Muslims are fighting a religious war
Aug 5, 2015, 8:38 AM
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We westerners just happen to be their target.
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Re: I lost some respect for TCU
Aug 2, 2015, 10:36 PM
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As they are a private institution, they reserve the right to suspend or dismiss students as they see fit. I absolutely agree that political correctness is destroying free speech in this country, and TCU went too far. When will we see a professor who speaks against whites or men suspended or dismissed, as have several notable examples lately? There's certainly a double standard at work.
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The University of Second Choice had a professor...
Aug 2, 2015, 11:03 PM
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that is a member of a white supremacist hate group and they never got rid of him, they let him retire (not too long ago). He was a founding member of the League of the South.
http://artsandsciences.sc.edu/hist/clyde-n-wilson
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Re: I lost some respect for TCU
Aug 3, 2015, 9:46 AM
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Private institution has nothing to do with it, if this happened at Clemson he would be disciplined as well. The 1st amendment protects you from being arrested by the government, it does not mean that universities can't discipline students for reflecting poorly on the university.
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Reflect poorly on the university? HOW did his post
Aug 3, 2015, 9:53 AM
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relect poorly on TCU? He is an individual, not TCU. Was it posted as their representative?
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Re: Reflect poorly on the university? HOW did his post
Aug 3, 2015, 10:30 AM
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Are you seriously claiming that an individual can't reflect poorly on an entire organization? By your logic FSU had no right to discipline James Winston for yelling profanities.
Try tweeting how much you hate black people and see how long your company wants you around.
Your argument is unbelievable really. I sincerely hope you don't normally represent Clemson in this manner.
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So, you are saying we cannot say that we hate muslims who
Aug 3, 2015, 3:00 PM
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want to kill us? Is that what you mean to imply. If so, we as a nation are completely lost.
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who the foxtrot gets bullied by someone through middle
Aug 2, 2015, 10:48 PM
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school, formulates a theory that they still hold a grudge against them, and then friends them on Facebook?
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Is he any good?
Aug 2, 2015, 10:48 PM
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If so, we should get him to transfer to us.
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and I just gained some respect for TCU***
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Just another typical university PC police that can't handle
Aug 3, 2015, 6:15 AM
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having some unvarnished truth put out there.
Anyone ever tried to refute his statements as untrue?
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Re: Just another typical university PC police that can't handle
Aug 3, 2015, 9:43 AM
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What is this truth? That all inner city minorities are welfare leaches and the entire population of muslims are terrorists?
Tell us, what is this truth you seek to put out there?
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Re: Just another typical university PC police that can't handle
Aug 3, 2015, 9:53 AM
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I'm sure there's no agenda there at all.
It's the truth that the liberal media's not telling you (bought and paid for by Rupert Murdoch).
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For those of you saying his 1st amendment rights are violat
Aug 3, 2015, 7:08 AM
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ed. Please look up the first ammendment:
"First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Where do you feel that this man's 1st amendment rights are being violated? The government is not being involved in anyway, a private entity is.
If you said something derogatory on your twitter handle then your job has every right to rebuke you for that. This man does have the right to say whatever he wants on twitter, but he's simply not protected from the reproductions of his peers.
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i must have missed the 1st amendment argument
Aug 3, 2015, 7:35 AM
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or maybe you are arguing with yourself
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Re: i must have missed the 1st amendment argument
Aug 3, 2015, 7:40 AM
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If you can't see the plethora of "but mah free speech!" threads, I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: For those of you saying his 1st amendment rights are violat
Aug 3, 2015, 9:42 AM
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I wasn't clear in my last post but I meant "non-government". Public and private universities should and do have the ability to "limit" your free speech. When you attend a university, you now become a small representative for them. Why shouldn't the university be able to offer recourse for something that reflects poorly on them?
I put "limit" in quotes because of course this isn't oppression on your free speech. You do have freedom of speech but that does not mean you can say whatever you want, whenever you want like so many seem to think.
The student doesn't have a natural right to attend that university, if they start throwing around hate speech they should expect to be disciplined. Simple as that.
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Re: For those of you saying his 1st amendment rights are violat
Aug 3, 2015, 10:54 AM
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Are you really asking why a school should respect free speech?
I guess we will have to disagree if you don't support free speech.
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Re: For those of you saying his 1st amendment rights are violat
Aug 3, 2015, 11:39 AM
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>Are you really asking why a school should respect free speech?
>I guess we will have to disagree if you don't support free speech.
No, i'm questioning whether you understand what free speech even is. Our constitution does not grant you the right to say whatever you want whenever you want as so many seem to think. It simply protects you from the goverment, it does not protect you from the consequences of your peers.
If you are on clemson's campus performing an unauthorized demonstration, they have the right to remove you from campus.
TCU's response is not violating that students 1st amendment rights.
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No, it does not. But we are on a dangerous path when people
Aug 3, 2015, 3:05 PM
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are intimidated into never speaking their minds because of the loss of employment. And it is incredulous how white,christian,conservative,men...are held to a completely different standard than most everyone else.
Let me ask you an honest question. What offends you most? The dentist who killed a lion, or Planned Parenthood?
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You agree with him then. So what's your argument?***
Aug 5, 2015, 8:03 AM
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This is correct... People can skin their ignorance in public
Aug 5, 2015, 8:42 AM
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But that doesn't make them immune from being shunned or responded to by society as a result. Only thing they are immune to is police action against them.
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Re: I lost some respect for TCU
Aug 3, 2015, 9:37 AM
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I'm surprised they didn't ask your opinion before going through with the punishment.
It's almost as if they made the decision without regard to the whims of the Teabaggers, who are successfully rallying the troops as we speak.
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It's veiled racism to call them hoodrats.
Aug 3, 2015, 9:53 AM
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He's not ballsy enough to say n---er, so he wrote hoodrats.
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Re: It's veiled racism to call them hoodrats.
Aug 3, 2015, 9:58 AM
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As is "THUGS!" and other examples. Of course, the people who use them aren't just "stupid", they also like to "play stupid" when called on it. Which makes it convenient for them to run their cawksuckers without actually having to stand behind what they say.
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Re: It's veiled racism to call them hoodrats.
Aug 3, 2015, 10:15 AM
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Why are racial slurs allowed to be used by some but not others? Why is it only deemed offensive and hateful when used by those it is not intended to describe?
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You're right, we should refrain from speaking ill of the
Aug 3, 2015, 11:18 AM
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people to which he was referring, and instead treat them with the respect and honor they deserve.
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1st Amendment arguably does not protect what TCU kid said...
Aug 3, 2015, 10:10 AM
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per Tinker v. Des Moines, Student speech is not protected under the first amendment.
per Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, "fighting words" are not protected under the first amendment.
per Miller v. California, "obscene" speech is not protected under the first amendment.
per New York Times v. Sullivan, defamatory speech is not protected under the first amendment if the speaker demonstrates 'actual malice'
In my opinion, this kid let his emotions get the better of him and used Twitter as a medium to say very inflammatory and hurtful statements. He is now attempting to use the first Amendment to justify his hate speech. This is a classic case of a person who doesn't know what the 1st Amendment really means trying to crouch behind the shield of the Bill of Rights.
This is not the case to get behind. His "right" to free speech was not violated here.
*Disclaimer*: this post is the humble opinion of a law student and not an attack on any other poster's personal views. The beauty of the law is that it is always ambiguous and open for interpretation of any side to express an argument.
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What?
Aug 3, 2015, 11:30 AM
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per Tinker v. Des Moines, Student speech is not protected under the first amendment.
That is the exact opposite of what the ruling says. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the students and set a landmark for student speech protection.
per Miller v. California, "obscene" speech is not protected under the first amendment.
There is nothing obscene in this case as defined under Miller v. California. That case involved a man who was mailing pornography to people against their wishes.
per New York Times v. Sullivan, defamatory speech is not protected under the first amendment if the speaker demonstrates 'actual malice'
This case is applying to libel and slander, and the defamation has to ruin an individual's character. A large group of people cannot be defamed. "Actual malice" means the person committing the defamation knew the information to be false and damaging. So it does not apply in the TCU case.
Finally, TCU is a private university and can do as they see fit in this case.
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Re: What?
Aug 3, 2015, 11:43 AM
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It has nothing to do with them being a private university though. It's the same as you ranting on twitter distastefully and your boss letting you go or firing you. That is not a violation of your 1st ammendment rights. You can't just say whatever you'd like and expect no reaction from your peers.
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Technically, it does.
Aug 3, 2015, 11:45 AM
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If he did this at a place like Clemson and they punished him, he could fight it legally because Clemson is public.
I get what you're saying. TCU being private gives it the same sort of status as a private corporation, which could fire someone for posting such things on Twitter.
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Re: Technically, it does.
Aug 3, 2015, 12:01 PM
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Agreed, but you can fight your boss in the same manner.
Just being pedantic, we are on the same page I think.
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Sounds like something VP Gail would've tried to do
Aug 3, 2015, 10:24 AM
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glad Clemson fired her
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You realize...
Aug 3, 2015, 11:32 AM
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That the woman they brought back to replace her has a track record of trying to suppress student expression?
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Re: I lost some respect for TCU
Aug 5, 2015, 4:44 PM
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This is what PC thought police have done to free speech. Don't be dissed at TCU. They are just being bullied by The PC crowd who has caused this. The PC crowd that communist libs support. Eff em all.
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excuses***
Aug 10, 2015, 9:20 PM
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