I don't understand why Republicans don't want universal HC

$1,000,000,000,000 yearly deficit. And that's a totally apolitical answer, or should be.

And if you're buying this universal healthcare BS, it won't happen. Because it can't. NO new spending will happen. Even with Obama in the White House and a dem Congress all they could muster was Obamacare, which is relatively revenue neutral. You also won't see minimum wage increased to $15/hr. That was on the table when Obama was President and had a dem Congress. You won't see illegal immigration addressed in a meaningful way either. You won't see student loan debt "forgiven". You won't see any of this stuff, because we CAN'T.

And taxing the rich at 70% you won't see either. If you did, it would provide very little additional revenue because so much of their "wealth" is stock assets. You won't see capital gains taxes touched either. If you do that it could cause inflation offsetting any reduction in income from the new taxes.

Another fact that you can take to the bank. FOREVER, like going WAY BACK, no matter the tax brackets, no matter the income tax rates, no matter the capital gains tax rates, no matter anything, total federal revenue has ALWAYS been between 15 and 20% of GDP. ALWAYS. Again, no matter the tax structure at any given time. It's called Hauser's Law. The highest numbers in the world are at 46%, and that's in France. Assuming we go to that level and maintain it, and assuming our GDP doesn't shrink, which it would, and assuming it doesn't cause a recession, which it would, it would take over 10 years at that level, with NO NEW SPENDING, to right our ship.

Just some reality. But carry on with the dream.....

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Re: I don't understand why Republicans don't want universal HC

Aug 21, 2019, 5:08 PM

FBCoachSC® said:

I mean it's going to screw over the poor. They seem to be for that.

The amount of taxes increased per John Q Taxpayer will be less (speaking on Bernie's plan BTW) than what the average worker is paying in insurance premiums, co-pays, and deductibles now. To spell it out, the tax to not have to pay anything for insurance will be less than paying for insurance.

Of course that only benefits the middle class. Poor workers who don't have any health insurance now will have to pay more because of the increase in taxes.

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The “poor” workers are able to apply for medicade, snap, wic and other government assistant programs if their income is under a certain threshold. Where do you get that “poor” workers don’t get healthcare? If their income falls below a certain amount, they most certainly receive healthcare at a discounted if not free rate.

The real problem is when you have lazy fat free loaders who are able but not willing to work or work “under the table” and doesn’t report income to receive additional government benefits.

You have way too many people who are claiming to be poor that really aren’t. Tell me how is it I can go to a grocery store and watch a person check out 2 buggies full with a government food card and watch the same person loading their kids and groceries in a Cadillac Escalade that is no earlier than a 2017 model?

I’d rather see the implementation of mandatory drug test on individuals under the age of SSN eligibility that receive ANY kind of government assisted benefits both medically and provisionally.

I’d rather see these things fixed first before we implement a universal healthcare system for all. I believe if these things are corrected and all individuals started pulling their own weight “if they are proven able”, we could move toward a better healthcare system. That is only if we shed the dead weight!

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You really are dense, not just a put-on....??

Have you been to an ER recently?

Pubs don’t go the ER, that’s UDP....***

Re: You really are dense, not just a put-on....??

You'll be paying $2400 less per year than you are now.

You'll be paying nothing. It's all free.

Exactly. Just like college gets cheaper and cheaper the more the

Re: Exactly. Just like college gets cheaper and cheaper the more the

But it moved to the back door in the form of

fits with how the two parties view college...

Seems like a really nebulous question.....

Here's the full article that goes into some of that...

We're already $23,000,000,000,000 in debt, and running a

Which is increasing at record pace due to Trump - THANKS!***

Trump doesn't spend a penny. Neither did Obama.***

“I mean it's going to screw over the poor. They seem to be for that.”

He also was stupid enough to believe Russian collusion, and

SMH. Yeah shity hc! Sounds awesome***

I wish we had, essentially, medicare for all.

That's pretty much how socialism works.

Re: I don't understand why Republicans don't want universal HC

youve got obummacare, what else do you want/need?***

I would only back this if we scrapped SS for everyone

That's a fair proposal but...

If dems will pay for it I'm all in.***

Re: I don't understand why Republicans don't want universal HC

ACA wasn't 'revenue neutral' to me

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