I agree to an extent

I'm just going to blow up the general mindset right off the bat. Makes the subsequent argument meaningless.

That's the biggest sham in history really. Governments are always given everything by the people and citizens. Doesn't matter if you're a dictatorship, a democracy, socialist nation, a monarchy, whatever.

HOWEVER, politicians since the beginning of time have "given" us the mindset that they somehow "give" the people something. You get a Social Security check? You think that was "given" to you by a progressive, or some politician? Look around at all the people working, your friends, neighbors, whoever is working and is NOT retired. THEY'RE the ones "giving" you your Social Security. Heck, technically you're giving it to yourself as it's only a coerced savings plan for people too irresponsible to save money. But it's broken because the government is too irresponsible to save your money you give them and spent it.

Government doesn't have a penny to give, a job to create, or a war to fight, without taking something from the citizens. It doesn't have a penny to spend that it doesn't take from a person, performing labor, in a private sector economy, helping someone in some capacity.

Just a different way to look at things.

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Re: Progressives vs. Conservatives

Jul 13, 2020, 9:38 AM

I am guessing your join date may reflect your age because that is an extremely superficial and incorrect summary.

Progressives of today are not at all the progressives of around 1900, and the term was not that popular recently until the last decade or two.

Conservatives and capitalists gave us the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, victory over the British, victory over Germany/Japan, a man on the moon (if you believe it), victory over the Soviet Union in the Cold War, the internet, and associated freedom/liberty/life for 100s of millions of people who would have been subject to tyranny otherwise.

This created the greatest nation in modern history. It created so much wealth and prosperity that people were allowed to think about and do others things instead of feeding themselves to stay alive.

People that could not compete, were jealous they could not keep up with the Joneses, have self-esteem problems, etc. created theories to raise themselves up and denigrate those with success. These people eventually formed into Liberals and doubled down as Progressives.

These groups gave us victimhood, AIDS, big government, a trend towards ubiquitous government corruption, a culture of generational dependence on government by blacks, social media, and legal pot.

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