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Humor me here, folks.
Sep 16, 2014, 10:48 AM
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To put it simply, it appears to be the opinion of many Tiger fans that Watson is superior to Cole in every conceivable quarterback attribute.
First, let me say that I think Watson is wildly talented, and it would not surprise me at all if he was starting by the end of the year. His potential is off the charts. Heck, I hope he comes in and shreds FSU's secondary Saturday night.
However, it appears to me (and correct me if I am wrong) that these folks claiming that Watson is superior without question are basing this off one drive against Georgia as well as several series against a team that we could have beaten 150-0.
In addition, unless I am incorrect, none of us attend practice everyday. We don't sit in any of the meetings. Heck, most of us have a working knowledge of football that would pale in comparison to any coach on the Clemson staff.
So, with all of that said, my opinion is that it's absurd to suggest Watson is without question far superior to Cole at this point in the season and with the batch of evidence we actually have to consider.
I am very curious to know if anyone can provide a valid argument to the contrary. So far I have seen things like "oh because Watson passes the eye test." Hopefully somebody has something better than that.
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You have nailed the issue...
Sep 16, 2014, 10:50 AM
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everything is based on DW's one first half drive vs. UGA, and his performance against SCST.
I agree, and I hope he tears FSU a new one Saturday.
But... as I have asked this question before as well... no one can provide a valid argument as to why CS shouldn't be starting.
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May be Germans...
Sep 16, 2014, 10:57 AM
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I haven't seen anybody say this, but I'm sure the plays Watson has run in both games are the one the he has practiced over and over the most during the week. That's why it is called a package, not the whole offense. I've never been more than a high school assistant coach in football, but I'm betting our guys do something like this.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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of course, you being an ex coach know the age old saying
Sep 16, 2014, 11:00 AM
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of run it til you get it right. I believe that most if not all coaches at that level are perfectionists that want every play run to perfection.
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Re: May be Germans...
Sep 16, 2014, 11:42 AM
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Dabo has stated already that when DW is in the game the playbook is not limited and that he, and I quote, "is not a package guy".
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I don't buy that nonsense crowd either...
Sep 16, 2014, 11:47 AM
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I think DW has a good understanding of the system, and can run anything
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Re: I don't buy that nonsense crowd either...
Sep 16, 2014, 11:57 AM
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I agree
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Re: You have nailed the issue...
Sep 16, 2014, 11:01 AM
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I am going to make an assumption that this site is mostly viewed adult males, so here I go. I once had a female friend that I had a particularly good history with. While she would never be my wife, I knew who she was and what to expect out of her. One day, a lady came into my life that would one day be my wife. I knew it and my friends knew it. The problems was that this was all based on assumption and I knew exactly what I had with my friend. Although parting was difficult, I ended up with the new lady and she has been my wife for nearly 20 years. I still wonder if my old friend shouldn't have started just a few more games. Morl of the story: Change is hard. I hope that helps.
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Re: You have nailed the issue...***
Sep 16, 2014, 11:13 AM
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Re: You have nailed the issue...
Sep 16, 2014, 11:07 AM
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Why should Stoudt be the QB? What are you basing it off of? A team he played against last year that we could have beaten 150-0? Same team again this year that we could have beat 150-0 and the GA game in which I thought he was average and arm looked weak? Anyone with eyesight can see who the more talented player is. Talked to a FSU buddy of mine this morn and what did he say? "Only thing I'm worried about is if y'all play the Watson kid". So, tryin to have a good, honest conversation here..what is it with Stoudt? Please don't come back with the he's a senior, play book crap. You play your best players..period.
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I'm basing it on the coaches saying Stoudt is the better
Sep 16, 2014, 11:09 AM
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QB. I'm basing it on the coaches watching more than just a few drives in games, I'm basing it on what the coaches saw in practices all summer.
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You are absolutely right... so I would ask you 2 things...
Sep 16, 2014, 11:15 AM
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1. Post the article/post/interview, etc.. where it's ever been said CS was playing b/c he's a senior.
2. Explain to me how you are coming to you point of view other than opinion.
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I'm basically giving the coaches the benefit of the doubt
Sep 16, 2014, 11:17 AM
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that they know what the #### they are talking about. I figure that's reasonable since they are the coaches that have guided us to one of the best runs in program history over the past several seasons. Also, I see that you have provided literally no credible evidence that Watson is superior to Cole. Thanks for playing.
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Re: I'm basically giving the coaches the benefit of the doubt
Sep 16, 2014, 11:34 AM
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And you have not shown me where Stoudt is superior to Watson. What you are going by is what the coaches are seeing in practice and since I am not there I cannot dispute so I guess we will just agree to disagree and we will see what happens... At the end of the day we all want Clemson to succeed and come out with a victory
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where have you shown Watson is superior to Stoudt?
Sep 16, 2014, 11:37 AM
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be careful here
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First off, I must use a disclaimer that
Sep 16, 2014, 10:59 AM
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"humor" as you have called it here, will not be tolerated on Tiger Board(s).
Second, I agree 100%. He threw a couple very good passes against Georgia, but so did Cole. The lack of production in the 2nd half, in my opinion, falls on the playcalling as opposed to the execution. I'm not ready to say Cole should be benched. Although I would like to see a very good outing from him this week...otherwise it needs to be considered.
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well said***
Sep 16, 2014, 11:03 AM
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Re: Humor me here, folks.
Sep 16, 2014, 11:01 AM
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Thank Jebus someone gets it.
I haven't heard any of the coaching staff claim Stout is a better athlete or has more potential. There is much more to the position including reading a defense and Georgia and Florida State both have pretty difficult defenses to read. That hybrid 3-4 that Pruitt and Kelly run is designed to confuse offenses.
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I agree but to play devil's advocate...
Sep 16, 2014, 11:04 AM
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you missed the most important factors of why we need DW under center in this game.
1. FSU struggles with run defense.
2.Cole is not a running QB, he tries but really he isn't a real threat.
3. DW is quicker than a prom king at motel 6 and would reek havoc on FSU's D
I think the coaches are doing this right but if we furnish ### to FSU this weekend and DW doesn't get what's coming to him in playing time I'm jumping the effin fence and gonna join the dark side.
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If our O-Line doesn't come to play it don't matter who the
Sep 16, 2014, 11:54 AM
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he77 we have at QB. That's just my opinion. And our front 4 must disrupt Winston early and often.
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They'll be there...
Sep 16, 2014, 11:58 AM
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if they get somebody to #### for them this week.
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Re: Humor me here, folks.
Sep 16, 2014, 11:25 AM
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Spiller; Good post and I agree with your analysis but my problem lies with the OC and our play calling. Please bear with me. Last year at the Coots it was clear that we had worn down the Coots in the mid to late 3rd quarter and were getting 5 yds at a clip running the ball So what does he do: throw the ball 5 out of 6 plays in the next 2 possessions--game over. This year, against the Dawgs we never threw the ball over the middle. Not once. With a 6'5" QB seems to me we can throw to the TE on a quick slant and let him do the rest. Why does pour OC not see this? Sure against weaker opponents our O looks great but against the better teams, we frequently struggle and I believe it is because the OC is too stubborn to modify the plan on the fly. Until that changes and he opens up this high powered O, we will continue to struggle IMO.
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Our tight end aren't all that.
Sep 16, 2014, 12:00 PM
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Some block and others can catch. This leave the defense knowing whether they are in there to block or receive. That ain't fun when the other team knows why you are playing a TE.
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Re: Humor me here, folks.
Sep 16, 2014, 12:10 PM
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Regarding your talk about practice and meetings. One James Brown, arguably the best running back of all time, did not start at RB in his sophomore season As a matter of fact, he didn't start until the 5th game of the year. Why? According to his coach he didn't practice well and wasn't as attentive as he should have been at team meetings. So he was put in the game and never again did not start.
I understand your point about practice and coaches with all the knowledge but you really need to concede that coaches can and do make mistakes and plenty of them. I'm not saying that Cole should not start because I agree he should. However, unless Morris starts calling more plays from our playbook, I'm afraid he might just be one of the main problems. I've given him the benefit of the doubt given his lack of experience but it is high time he starts producing in big games by opening up the ### offense.
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No, not at all. Watson is much more mobile, which is a huge
Sep 16, 2014, 12:12 PM
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attribute when your OL can't protect.
That is why I think we need Watson to play more.
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Re: No, not at all. Watson is much more mobile, which is a huge
Sep 16, 2014, 12:22 PM
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I agree. Don't start him but if the rush is overly aggressive and we can't call plays to counteract it, maybe his feet can do some good!
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