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Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 6, 2020, 8:08 PM
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I mean, the REAL reason(s). Give it a try.
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Re: Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 6, 2020, 8:22 PM
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bring back manufacturing jobs was a yuge hit in the rust belt
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Because the Dems ran the one candidate that was worse.
Jun 6, 2020, 8:25 PM
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Pretty much could have run any other halfway competent person and would have won.
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Re: Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 6, 2020, 8:27 PM
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pubs - fall in line
dems - have to fall in love
dems have trouble uniting.
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Re: Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 6, 2020, 8:29 PM
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screwing over bernie didnt help
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Bernie lost by millions of votes twice. He screwed himself over by being a literal Socialist***
Jun 7, 2020, 11:19 AM
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Re: Bernie lost by millions of votes twice. He screwed himself over by being a literal Socialist***
Jun 7, 2020, 11:27 AM
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there was at least one primary that he won, but they awarded more delegates to hillary
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Re: Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 6, 2020, 8:37 PM
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Because he presented himself as a disruptor...and that's what just enough of America wanted.
Why?
Because Washington - especially the Democratic Party - had gotten complacent and unresponsive, paying lip-service to empty ideals and then doing business as usual behind closed doors like the party would never end.
Because there was a growing rift between urban centers that were booming, both economically and in terms of population, while rural areas were increasingly referred to as "flyover" zones and the complacent Democratic establishment flew over them and flew over them some more until the first guy who'd bothered to speak to them in years - Trump - was able to swoop in and scoop up their votes wholesale. Farmers have taken it on the chin for years and nobody in Washington troubled to protect them as long as the food kept coming. Take a look at the county-by-county electoral maps. Outside the cities it was bright red.
(As an aside, I figured out Trump was going to win when they announced Pennsylvania fairly early in the evening. The Pittsburgh Democrat party bosses knew almost to the vote how much they'd get from Pittsburgh - they though they'd get 650,000 votes and if memory serves they came in within a couple hundred votes of that. Should have been enough to carry the state...in an ordinary election. But the Donkeys ended up losing Pennsylvania because the outlying rural areas they didn't bother to poll or organize in went as much as 2-to-1 (or higher!) against them. Which was a glaring red-flag sign the Dems had played yesterday's game and completely missed a big change out in the country until it smacked them across the face.)
Because jobs for those without college degrees - not just farmers - have gotten progressively poorer paying for years, and Trump presented a very simple solution: immigrants, he said, were taking over the jobs of real Americans, which is actually at least partially true. (The other parts of the equation, mind, are corporate consolidation and automation, but to address the first would be to take on corporate America - definitely not Trump's thing - and there's no easy way at all of dealing with the last.)
And also because there is a growing rift between evangelicals and the Democratic party, especially Southern evangelicals. Increasingly the Democrats, allegedly the champions of the working class, had become ever-more-contemptuous of religious people, and lampooned and stereotyped them even as they solicited the votes of all other working-class groups under their alleged "big tent" that for whatever reason has no room for poorer working-class rural people.
I could go on, but that's the long and short of it. The Dems got complacent in about a dozen different ways, and they got had.
So what's your take?
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You and I said similar things in different words.
Jun 6, 2020, 9:25 PM
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I wonder if our cultural maturity is up to pulling us into a different trajectory. A people get the government they deserve, so it's on us, and the more we whine about "them", or personify in politicians the issues we all create, the less I think we can demand better. We are increasingly willing to trade away self determination for the promise of a certain outcome, especially if its our party doing the promising.
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Re: Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 6, 2020, 8:49 PM
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because a sizable portion of this country in mentally challenged and believed every word that came out of his mouth. I would have voted for him too if I sincerely believed that he would erase the national debt in 8 years, develop a plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days, and establish term limits in congress.
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I'll give it a shot. I was a matter of alternatives, imo.
Jun 6, 2020, 9:05 PM
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By that, I dont mean the others were simply bad, but that the differences reflected the mood of middle America.
The Rep primary alternatives were mostly Rubio, Cruz and Kasich, who were not the same on paper but were pretty much the same on camera: wonky, measured, articulate...but not ready for prime time. You would not be afraid of any of them being Prez, but you wouldn't feel a loss if they weren't. Mitt Romney rewinds.
For the Dems you had a candidate who had none of the appeal of her predecessor, while embracing his negatives. People put up with his lack of direction and his condescending attitude because he had a too-cool-for-school demeanor. "Back atcha, Bro." After four years of that, the wheels weren't falling off, so sure, re-up him. Fine. One can even understand Hillary thinking that directionless condescension of middle America is what got him elected. She spent 6 months communicating that strategy. Mission accomplished. Her vision was "You owe it to me", and by the time she called us deplorables she didn't actually need to: We didn't know much, but we knew who Hillary Clinton was and what she thought of us.
Trump was the opposite of both of those. In a Rep primary debate a questioner tried to 'gotcha' him regarding "failed businesses" (a question ignorant of how real estate projects work). He started to answer, then stopped, looked at the questioner and said, "Wait. You're worried about the bankers?? You're worried about them? They're killers, trust me, they're doing fine. If I do another project they'll line up to get in again." The opposite attitude from the other three guys. Unafraid to just say what was.
Against HIllary all he had to do was keep saying, in various admittedly embarrassing ways, "There she is, folks, that's what she things of you..". The most powerful political adage is, "They will still vote for you if they don't like you, but they can never vote for you if they think you don't like them." That adage killed her. And now he might be forgetting it.
All that might be worth no more than you paid for it.
Edit: Note the number of people who, predictably, say, "It was those stupid voters". There's your answer.
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He wanted to build a wall.
Jun 6, 2020, 9:08 PM
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Seems the rioters doing that nicely with the help of democrats.
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Dog whistles and the electoral college?***
Jun 6, 2020, 9:14 PM
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I can tell you why Trump was elected in 2016 in a word
Jun 6, 2020, 10:10 PM
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Obama
I know you think he was great, but Trump was a reaction to everything that happened over the previous 8 yrs.
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If you meant outward expressions of racism from
Jun 6, 2020, 10:12 PM
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everyone’s extended family for the better part of a decade you’re correct.
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You wish!
Jun 6, 2020, 10:14 PM
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This is the kind of response that breeds the divide.
His skin color had nothing to do with anything.
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Let’s all level for a minute. Did you not hear
Jun 6, 2020, 10:17 PM
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racist things said about Obama from friends and coworkers consistently from 08-16? We all had the uncle that sends the emails.
Are we really pretending that wasn’t a thing?
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And ultimately I only argue with you to say that it
Jun 6, 2020, 10:20 PM
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didn’t improve in the way you’d want it to over how long we’ve been an integrated society.
But I ultimately disagree with you to say that it was just how ####### bad of a candidate Hillary was that ultimately caused it. The racism just got Trump through the primaries.
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Hillary was a horrible choice for sure- but racism was
Jun 6, 2020, 10:27 PM
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In no way factor.
No more for one side any more than the other. There are crazy people on both sides of the isle...
I was strictly speaking about policy and leadership. That’s all.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Hey just going all butterfly effect and ####.***
Jun 6, 2020, 10:25 PM
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I thought you would appreciate the humor...
Jun 6, 2020, 10:29 PM
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Maybe not- but still not racist
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Re: Let’s all level for a minute. Did you not hear
Jun 7, 2020, 11:23 AM
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It sounds like your family are the racist ones. Is that like, a defense mechanism? If you’re apart of a group that’s racist, just assume everyone is?
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I’m saying that you’re kidding yourself and or willfully
Jun 7, 2020, 11:39 AM
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lying if you pretend it wasn’t a thing.
No one has answered my question yet.
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Re: I’m saying that you’re kidding yourself and or willfully
Jun 7, 2020, 4:21 PM
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Which racist things did you here specifically?
I remember people questioning his birth certificate...not sure if that’s one you’re referring to.
What else?
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That doesn't stand up to logic or data, imo. If race was a
Jun 7, 2020, 1:25 AM
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factor, Obama doesn't get elected the second time, let alone the first. As to who voted for whom, the historical D and R voter demographics were consistent from Bill Clinton through Trump, with only small variations. The difference from Obama to Trump was in the demographic that produces the most swings: women. Among blacks, Hillary lost numbers compared to Obama, and the younger the black voter, the less likely they were to have voted for Hillary.
When a black person ran, he won. When a white woman ran in his place, she lost. Black voters switched from the black guy to the white guy in the other party, so that couldn't have been about race, and women made the same switch, so it couldn't have been about gender.
To claim that the Trump win was about race not only cannot be supported, the logic and data supports the opposite. Isn't it time the left dropped its false, divisive and destructive narrative that everything is about race? Isn't it embarrassing to repeat someone else's talking points when the truth says otherwise?
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Except my argument was racism got Trump through the
Jun 7, 2020, 7:55 AM
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primaries.
Hillary made her bed in the general.
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Re: Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 6, 2020, 11:09 PM
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Only Elwyn got it right: OBAMA THE INCOMPETENT ONE, WITH A SILVER TONGUE AND NO SCRUPLES...
Eight years of Obama (and Hellary) and his lies and corruption. Shoot, he lost 1100 legislative seats across the country. His eight budgets garnered ZERO votes ( Dems and Pubs). He rammed ObamaCare down our throats and lied about it ("you can keep your doctor and your hospital"... Politocol's Lie of the Year)). Multiple scandals: AP, IRS, Solyndra, Fast & Furious, Iran bribe...and now, of course, the Russian debacle allowing him to be known as the Most Corrupt President in History). Divided the country racially. Did ZERO for blacks. Dissed Israel and spent taxpayer money to try to defeat Netanyahu.
Throw in Hellary and it was a slam dunk for Trump. Bilateral Corrupters go down in flames!! Remember what Hellary said to Obama on election night? "I'm sorry...aka "we're all screwed' and Trump is going to ream our ##### !! Better try to undermine him." Then...Obama directed the entire treasonous attack on Trump and Co. He had EVERYTHING to lose; he had no choice, he had to do what he did....and it failed !! LMAO He's F---ED !
After the Barr and Durham Democrat Shyt Storm arrives and destroys any chance of a Dem win, it will be all over. Then....Niki in 2024....
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Re: Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 7, 2020, 6:39 AM
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This guy is hands down my new favorite P&R poster
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Re: Can anybody tell me why Trump was elected in 2016?
Jun 7, 2020, 7:19 AM
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Obama wasn't a great president, but he certainly wasn't an incompetent or corrupt one. Most presidential historians actually have him at a "B-" though I suspect that rating may drop closer to a "C+" as ObamaCare gets a closer look.
ObamaCare was his signature accomplishment...and the longer we have to look at it, the worse it's probably going to look in hindsight. He either should have hacked away the restraints on the private system and really opened it up, or he should have gone full public health care and established a version of England's NHS in America...but decide. He ended up with this half-baked compromise that pleased no one and it's going to be viewed as a failed experiment...again, a huge part of the reason I really don't like instituting unproven programs on a Federal level. You're far better off crash-testing stuff locally or at worst on the state level first and see how it works, IMHO. It gives you room to mess up and tweak later.
I didn't like the way he stretched executive orders far beyond the law's intent - it established a bunch of bad precedents that Trump gleefully seized and expanded upon - and I'm not crazy about the way he also dramatically increased the scope of intelligence services, or the way he was using drones to prosecute push-button warfare across the globe. If ever a swarm of killer robots arise and wipe us all out, people will point out (probably rightly) that Obama was the one who started that wave as well.
But in terms of communications ability, temperance, and lack of personal scandals and petty corruption, he was actually a really good president. He took himself way too seriously but he was a really good orator and people-manager, and he made decisions with his head instead of his gut and he definitely had a rational decision-making process. (The notion that he was "corrupt" or "scandal-ridden" is actually pretty laughable, particularly in comparison with Trump.)
Presidential historians have him at around 10th-12th or so of 45 and I think that's probably a tad high - I think that's "Trump Bounce" because he looks so good in comparison.
But Trump is in my opinion the worst ever, or at least the worst in modern history, and presidential historians certainly agree with that opinion. They also say Reagan was our last great president...and I'd agree with that assessment as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
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Obama used the IRS to attack conservative groups like...
Jun 7, 2020, 10:26 AM
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the Tea Party. Remember them, the people who marched peacefully and helped clean up after their marches? He spied on the Trump administration, accused Trump of colluding with Russia without predicate. Obama used and abused the power of the federal government to attack and punish the people who elected Trump.
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Re: Obama used the IRS to attack conservative groups like...
Jun 7, 2020, 10:53 AM
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Perfect definition of what Liberal Democrats would call 'competent'....................YCMTSU
His Silver Tongue obviously fooled a lot of people on this board. He was a graduate of the Chicago School of Corrupt Politics, praised Saul Alinsky, went to Jeremiah Wrights's (the f__k America guy) church and was a huge fan of Karl Marx. Now if that isn't a breeding ground for an incompetent and corrupt presidency, I don't know what is. Even his brother has disowned him!!
Tell me again, please, what did he do to advance the standing of blacks in today's culture?
Blacks are far better off in 3.5 years of Trump than under 30 years of Democrat rule....and certainly better off than under Obama.....not even close.
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It was clear that Obama's promise to...
Jun 7, 2020, 9:51 AM
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'Fundamentally change America,' was viewed as a threat, not a promise. The tea party disappeared but the movement remained in the heart of those who hated what Obama had done to America and wanted the AntiObama.
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It was clear that Obama's promise to...FIFY
Jun 7, 2020, 10:47 AM
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'Fundamentally change America,' was viewed as a threat to white power, not a promise. The tea party disappeared when the black guy had managed to get elected despite all their clever witch doctor memes and racist posters but the movement remained in the heart of those who hated Obama and wanted the whitest president in history to undo whatever that uppity black guy did.
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Because Democrats are racist, they can't tolerate a
Jun 7, 2020, 10:07 AM
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Thought different than their own. Then they burn cities, they burn your place work & worship. ####, they won't allow you to worship. Then the cow to the worst people in our society. They say one, do another.
For 240 years, we've had peaceful and efficient transfer of power in this country. Well, they ruined that like they ruin everything else.
I'll juss stop there. Too tired
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Hey look everybody. CaptCrash is unironically
Jun 7, 2020, 10:14 AM
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calling people racists again.
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Didn't you know? People who protest racist police violence are the real racists!***
Jun 7, 2020, 11:22 AM
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The republican primary was extremely fractured, and he was running against Hillary.***
Jun 7, 2020, 4:07 PM
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