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Heisman...what am I missing?
Dec 4, 2016, 6:25 PM
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Many of the talking heads are still talking about Jackson being in the lead.
I've seen this guy play many times, and yes, he can scramble. BUT that's about it. He's very erratic in his passes and decision making.
Additionally, I believe past Heisman winners played for teams competing for championship and have a good team record. His team is 9-3.
And I really think he's cost his team at least 2 of those losses with his fumbles.
What am I missing?
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Re: Heisman...what am I missing?
Dec 4, 2016, 6:27 PM
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You would think that photo of him kicking boulware in the head would have excluded him from consideration
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Re: Heisman...what am I missing?
Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM
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you are not missing anything
the problem is too many voters google "who's the heisman front-runner, see a name, then vote
the heisman is a laughing stock process and an embarrassment to those of us who love college football
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That they closed their minds 3 weeks ago.*****
Dec 4, 2016, 6:30 PM
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If DW had only 8 or 9 interceptions
Dec 4, 2016, 6:30 PM
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instead of 15, I think he would lead.
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Re: If DW had only 8 or 9 interceptions
Dec 4, 2016, 6:33 PM
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Of course, I'm rooting for DW4, but I would understand if he doesn't win it because of his struggles.
I get it.
This is not a campaign for DW4 as much as trying to make sense of the Heisman process as a fan of the sport.
Nothing about Jackson's game impresses me.
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Re: If DW had only 8 or 9 interceptions
Dec 4, 2016, 6:39 PM
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Nothing impresses you about his game? You don't even think he's a great runner? Come on, now you're just being silly.
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and if Jackson had played in games...
Dec 4, 2016, 6:43 PM
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where he did not lose to 3 teams, one being KY, it would be a no brainer,,,,but he didn't.
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Re: Heisman...what am I missing?
Dec 4, 2016, 6:37 PM
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LJ has passed for over 3300 yards and 30 tds. Not exactly just a "scrambler". Those are really good passing stats.
Just in the last 10 years, Tim Tebow and RG3 won the Heisman when their teams had 3 losses and no conference championships. Johnny Manziel won it when his team had 2 losses and didn't play for a conference championship. So it's not exactly uncommon for a player to win it when their team has a few losses.
Do I want DW to win it, of coarse. But LJ has put up crazy numbers and if he wins it I can definitely understand why. I fail to see how this is unclear to people.
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DW4 is going to get the heisman -
Dec 4, 2016, 6:42 PM
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my opinion -
gotta hunch that he made an impression -personally - with a goodly number of heisman voters at the ceremony last year - dude makes a good impression.
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You are not missing anything - many in the media "awarded"
Dec 4, 2016, 7:17 PM
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Jackson the heisman over a month ago, and even went so far as to say so. But, when you have a gazillion sports "news" outlets, channels, websites and blogs, what you end up with is a very watered down talent pool of folks who sadly have a voice and pass as "journalists" or some kind of expert. It's unfortunate that these uninformed, lazy nimrods can just jump on a bandwagon (like Jacksons) and influence opinion and actually create false perceptions that almost become consensus. Sad, really.
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Re: Heisman...what am I missing?
Dec 4, 2016, 8:07 PM
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"Additionally, I believe past Heisman winners played for teams competing for championship and have a good team record. His team is 9-3." I think it is ridiculous that competing for a championship be a pseudo 'requirement'. The guy should should have strong leadership but often times the best player is surrounded by sub-par players and there is only so much one man can do. Also, 9-3 is pretty good record.
This is to say that IMHO, Clemson being 12-1 and UL being 9-3 are a push as far as Heisman considerations. Same goes for head to head. They both played like beasts in the Valley.
DW is the best QB in FBS football. If LJ wins because he started off with insane stats (including against Clemson), I won't lose much sleep and I don't think DW will. After all, he will have lead Clemson to its second national championship ever in just over a month from now.
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Re: The Heisman's been a joke for quite some time
Dec 4, 2016, 9:32 PM
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They need to consider what DW4 did to Bama since that game took place in 2016 well after last season's voting.
If anyone is confused that should tip it in our guy's favor every time.
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Re: The Heisman's been a joke for quite some time
Dec 4, 2016, 9:51 PM
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Losing 2 games to end the season will give voters something to think about. Is accumulating stats in blowouts meaningful. If stats are the end all be all, we don't need voters to vote. Computers can do their job. If you need one quarterback to win a game, which would you choose? Lamar is electric but Watson will win you the game. Also, what's really elevating Lamar is his rushing stats. Well, he had twice the opportunities than Deshaun. Clemson was trying to minimize hits on Deshaun to get through the season. If you get twice the carries, you'll get more yards.
By the way, that's the reason why Lamar struggled toward the end of the season. Teams knew he would keep the ball so they adjusted. Lamar was the best player at the start of the season, he is not the best player today. Even opposing teams fans would say the same thing.
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