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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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wow. On a call now and just found out I'll be firing
May 10, 2018, 1:32 PM
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everyone that works for me and replacing them with contractors (ie indians--dots, not feathers). I have 15 people.
It's about 100 people total. And more when they outsource me and my peers jobs (which I'm sure will happen at some point).
Hey Trump...you wanna bring jobs to America? Don't let'em go to begin with. Tax the chit out of anyone doing what we're doing and provide some tax credits for keeping jobs here.
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Same thing is happening with my wife's company***
Dec 6, 2023, 9:00 PM
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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It's pretty messed up.***
May 10, 2018, 1:36 PM
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Oculus Spirit [79110]
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After a while those jobs will come back
May 10, 2018, 1:43 PM
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once they actually have to interact with the Indians (dots, not featherheads).
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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This seems like one of those things that they would start
May 10, 2018, 1:48 PM
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teaching in B-schools across America to NOT do.
In my career, I've seen this fail in so many companies in different industries, but yet they still keep doing it.
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Heisman Winner [135626]
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short term profit taking over long term viability
May 10, 2018, 1:51 PM
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it's become the American way
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Heisman Winner [135626]
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Pisssed somebody off
May 10, 2018, 3:00 PM
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no rebutal just a TD?
Don't care about the td but interested in what you disagree with.
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All-TigerNet [13764]
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Looks like the injured snowflakke went through the whole
May 10, 2018, 3:23 PM
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thread TD'ing.
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Oculus Spirit [75671]
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Hummm, we MAY have a ghost amongst us.***
May 10, 2018, 3:25 PM
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Hall of Famer [20568]
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Other threads have a serial TD'er too***
May 10, 2018, 4:06 PM
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Oculus Spirit [75671]
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Probably just some bored tardy.***
May 10, 2018, 4:09 PM
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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Oculus Spirit [78823]
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fire one million
May 10, 2018, 1:52 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97651]
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I am lucky. My job requires personal interaction, face to
May 10, 2018, 1:53 PM
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face meetings, and a command of the English language. I'm safe. Plus, no robot can do it either.
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CU Medallion [64837]
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Re: I am lucky. My job requires personal interaction, face to
May 10, 2018, 3:48 PM
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TIL Tiggity is male escort.
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Hall of Famer [20568]
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Robots can do that.***
May 10, 2018, 4:07 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97651]
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Bingo.***
May 10, 2018, 4:19 PM
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All-In [45626]
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You are so funny TDer......
May 12, 2018, 8:35 AM
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Bless your heart.
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All-In [29076]
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Didn't you hear on a conference call the other day that they
May 10, 2018, 1:54 PM
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were getting rid of your position?
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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They said they were getting rid of everyone under
May 10, 2018, 1:57 PM
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me, so...yeah.
This was more the mechanics of actually doing it.
Like I said, mine will be gone too--but they won't tell me that. I'm just ready for a severance package.
I hope they don't wait for like October or November when its getting cold out.
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Oculus Spirit [75671]
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If not for that whole beef thing, I'd go to India for a few
May 10, 2018, 2:51 PM
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years to be the boss, then just come back rich.
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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Its really a beautiful country.
May 10, 2018, 5:11 PM
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If you are within 100 yards of Taj Mahal. The rest of it is 3rd world chithole.
And its really the opposite; if you went there you'd make like $.10/hour, and then come back more broke than a McDonalds fry cook.
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Oculus Spirit [75671]
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Ah, I thought the American bosses
May 10, 2018, 10:57 PM
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did well and didn't really have to spend much.
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Better find another job, bringing in Dot and Dottie is the
May 10, 2018, 3:43 PM
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beginning of the end in my experience. Seen it several times in my 30+ year career with software companies, and it never ends well. They'll work like #### and crank out a ton of code, but it's not any good. What they lack in communication skills they make up with poor design.....
Also, invest in a good gas mask, they bathe in cheap cologne.
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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Yep.
May 10, 2018, 5:04 PM
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Since we've been bought its been poor mgt decision after poor mgt decision.
This place is as good as done.
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All-In [31833]
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How would the gov go about taxing an employer for....
May 10, 2018, 3:49 PM
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outsourcing jobs?
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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How?
May 10, 2018, 5:07 PM
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That doesn't seem like difficult information to gather.
IRS: "How many employees do you have outsourced to outside the United States?
MegaCorp: 3,026
IRS: Enter this number on line 42. Multiply Line 42 x $15,243 to come up with additional tax burden to be added to line 88, AGI.
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All-In [31833]
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Most outsourcing is done with contractors, isn't it?....
May 10, 2018, 10:49 PM
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No way that the IRS could enforce anything close to taxing outsourcing. How can it be proven?
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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how many employees do your contractors employ that are
May 10, 2018, 11:29 PM
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Based overseas?
This doesn’t seem like a difficult thing to prove.
Compare on shore employees last year to contractor employees this year.
Minor digging into offshore based contrActors would be pretty easy.
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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Where prove=audit
May 10, 2018, 11:45 PM
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Make the punishment for lying about it severe enough that is not worth getting caught .
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All-In [31833]
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I think that is a bit too simplistic....
May 11, 2018, 3:15 PM
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From an employer perspective, you pay a contractor an amount for a service. That contractor has x employees and would typically be servicing multiple customers. It just isn't as simple as you lay it out in reality.
I work for a medium sized international private company and can think of many legitimate ways to work around this kind of arrangement. It's very difficult to penalize a company's operational activities via taxes.
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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I'm not an accountant.
May 11, 2018, 3:21 PM
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But one would think that if the IRS can incentivize a company to purchase new equipment with differing depreciation schedules of purchased equipment, allow capitalization of labor costs (on capital projects, hence depreciating a labor cost) and various other schemes to reduce taxable income...
It would be easy enough to DE-incentivize the use of overseas labor after displacing on shore jobs.
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All-In [31833]
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I'm not either but I do have P&L responsibility....
May 11, 2018, 3:26 PM
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For our operation, so I get involved with these kind of things and measuring what you're talking about would be very difficult.
With fixed assets they are all traceable and identifiable.
Employees are fluid over time when looking at head count and changes in head count relative to contractor usage is dang hear impossible to track and enforce.
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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As stated, given my revenue from year to year = the same
May 11, 2018, 3:39 PM
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but I now have 90% less FTE's..someone is doing the work that is being sold to get those revenues.
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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Then you'd have incentivize companies that have no plans to
May 11, 2018, 1:22 PM
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or can't outsource to other countries their labor. As chitty as the pay might be at say, a hardware store, those jobs can't really be offshored.
I'm all for penalizing (through taxation, fines, whatever it may be) offshoring of jobs. Why not?
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All-TigerNet [12763]
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Re: wow. On a call now and just found out I'll be firing
May 10, 2018, 4:04 PM
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that's fuked oop!
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Hall of Famer [22930]
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Negotiate severance now
May 10, 2018, 4:57 PM
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Leave the firing squad to somebody else.
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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I wish I could.
May 10, 2018, 5:09 PM
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There's no negotiating severance here. You either take what they give you, or not.
I have my resume plastered everywhere and am calling in some favors in town at a large medical research hospital.
Pray to Mothra something turns up.
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You know what the best part will be?
May 10, 2018, 5:59 PM
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Your company having the chutzpah to ask you to train your overseas replacement.
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Oculus Spirit [80955]
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I got the "you know if you want to feel like you could
May 10, 2018, 6:09 PM
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finish something here and have an accomplishment, and stick around until the end, that would really be something to be proud of."
I had to mute the phone for a few seconds before I could just come back and say nothing.
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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This type bullchit is exactly why...
May 12, 2018, 7:23 AM
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after working with my hands in the construction of residential, med sized and small commercial construction, returning to school at Clemson and graduating with a construction management degree I ended up working in the field.
I reported the other day on my favorite boss' trivial reason to jerk employees around and how I dealt with such. Most of them wouldn't take to my training so I left them to continue with the digging of their own graves.
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Have experienced this directly
May 12, 2018, 8:58 AM
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The company I spent 27 years with experimented with this 20yrs ago in software development. Within a year, the code was so bad and having to be repaired in house that the contract was voided. The company had approached the whole thing on a trial basis and had kept the in country employees with intention of paring down later. Failure by the dot Indians on a mega level. Everyone kept their jobs.
My wife's company farmed out accounting functions to India three years ago in some sort of a global centralization effort. The experienced clerks had to train their own replacements. It has been proven in the numbers that the costs in terms of money only are not beneficial to the company... and this does not even take into account the horrid efficiency. Butt heads up the management food chain are vested in the change so the facts have no relevancy with the corporate idiots.
Fortunately, my wife will join me in retirement before the cancerous centralization movement reaches her level. Even so, the company has a history of offering separation packages.
Just stupid.
Really am sad for the situation you are in. Best of luck to you fellow Tiger.
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