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FB Update: Clemson tight end suffers ACL injury
Nov 4, 2014, 11:28 AM
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Re: FB Update: Clemson tight end suffers ACL injury
Nov 4, 2014, 11:30 AM
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Something isn't right with all of these knee injuries.
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I think we all know the problem, so I'll say it
Nov 4, 2014, 11:33 AM
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FIRE BATSON!
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Re: I think we all know the problem, so I'll say it
Nov 4, 2014, 11:48 AM
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Well that about as dumb as dirt
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the irony is thick***
Nov 4, 2014, 12:04 PM
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well that irony about as thick as mud***
Nov 4, 2014, 12:05 PM
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Re: well that irony about as thick as mud***
Nov 4, 2014, 1:34 PM
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that irony about thick irony is ironic.
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There's a guy I know whose career is in fitness and swears
Nov 4, 2014, 1:30 PM
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up and down that Batson is not a good fit for a football program. He's seen Batson's actual training regiment. He said that his Olympic background does not translate well on the field for a lot of athletes. He said it could be something as simple as teaching them to go ATG squats or wrapping their knees during heavy weight that could be causing ligament issues.
Personally, I can see the difference in some of these young men and their transformation so it's clear that something must be working. I also think we've just had a string of bad luck...
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I get so tired of hearing the "FIRE" a coach everytime
Nov 4, 2014, 7:47 PM
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something does not go the way certain fans want it too. That injury has become very common as athletes become stronger. IMO they are to well conditioned. Or he could have been hit , landed in an awkward position.
Why do you think it is Coach Batson's fault.?
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Re: FB Update: Clemson tight end suffers ACL injury
Nov 4, 2014, 8:44 PM
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My thoughts exactly. How many teams do you hear of with these many injuries to the legs and knees? Our training room looks like a MASH unit.
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Hate to hear that....He was starting to play***
Nov 4, 2014, 11:30 AM
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Bummer. I forgot about this 2-star nepotism gift from Dabo.
Nov 4, 2014, 2:39 PM
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His dad, Larry Greenlee is an assistant strength coach at Clemson and so as a nepotism gift, Dabo gave the kid a scholarship despite being a 2-star recruit who ran a 5.1 forty, had a max bench of 225lbs, and who apparently had no other scholarship offers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-D.J.-Greenlee-135642;_ylt=AsQJkIMrkndtzsQj8xNvPtZDPZB4
Dabo does many things well, but he wastes too many scholarships on guys that won't likely ever contribute meaningfully. Too bad he didn't use this scholarship on an interior OL.
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Dabo has offered every top OL recruit in the south the past
Nov 4, 2014, 2:47 PM
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five years. He tries to get the best OL every year. It's not like we're not offering them scholarships. Until this past year, they just haven't been willing to commit.
Do you think we missed out on a quality OL because of the Greenlee scholarship? If so, who was it?
Now if you're saying we should have offered a lightly regarded OL instead of a lightly regarded TE/LB, then I would say ... we've done that too and look at how that has turned out the past 5 years.
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When did 3-star guys become "top prospects" ?
Nov 4, 2014, 8:36 PM
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Most observers do not consider 3-star guys to be "top" prospects.
My statement was regarding top prospects in the Southeast. BTW, one of your examples is from Pennsylvania ... not in the SE.
I stand by my assessment that we have offered pretty much every "top prospect" in the Southeast the past few years.
Since you did such thorough research on those guys who aren't really "top prospects" would you mind looking into the OL actually ranked in the Top 150 for the past few years in the Southeast and show some that we neglected to recruit?
Okay, to be fair, I actually did study this closely a month or two ago and that's how I drew my conclusions. If an OL was in the Southeast and was Top 150 on Rivals, we offered him almost without exception.
Yes, we probably could have gotten one of those 3-star guys you mentioned to bite on a scholarship. I dunno. But, honestly, we already have about 14 of those guys on the team right now.
Since Greenlee was actually contributing on the field, I would have to say that the decision to give him a scholarship has been validated.
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When it fit Raz's obvious agenda***
Nov 5, 2014, 2:17 PM
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I suggested offering a good interior OL, w/o artificial spec
Nov 5, 2014, 7:15 PM
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You conveniently made up the irrelevant limiting specifications of only "top prospects" in only in the "southeast". And then you further defined "top prospects" as 4-stars or greater-- even though a 3-star rating is pretty good for an OL, and we've sent several 3-star OLs to the NFL. And of course a 3-star OL would have been better than a 2-star, like Greenlee-- which was my original point!!! Unfortunately, Spurrier isn't bound by your artificial "top prospect in the southeast" specifications, which may explain why our archrival has beat us that last 5 straight games, in part by having a better OL.
Greenlee might have seen a bit of playing time (like many walk-ons do) but he hasn't been a meaningful contributor, nor will he likely be.
If Greenlee is so valuable, one would expect Dabo to apply for a medical redshirt and keep the guy on scholarship for 5-6 years. It'll be interesting to see if Dabo decides to give a nepotism gift of a bachelor's degree or a full master's degree.
Be honest...
Q1: Couldn't Dabo have gotten anybody onboard with that scholarship who could have helped the team more than 2-star Greenlee?
Q2: Don't you think Dabo gave Greenlee the schollie mostly as a favor to his Larry Greenlee who is a strength coach at Clemson?
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You're correct ... I changed the discussion somewhat because
Nov 5, 2014, 10:46 PM
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... I felt like you were unnecessarily critical of a kid whose scholarship may have been a gift, but who has earned playing time and proved himself worthy through contributions on the field. If he'd walked on, he'd probably still have earned a scholarship with his play.
When you suggested offering Greenlee's scholarship to some random interior lineman instead, I felt the need to point out that we go after lots of really highly regarded interior line prospects. We just haven't been particularly successful in signing them. We've signed lots of marginal players and we've certainly spent scholarships on plenty of guys who had no higher potential than Greenlee.
Personally, I don't believe we passed on any really promising OL in order to take Greenlee, although I feel certain we might have attracted another lightly regarded guy like Jerome Maybank if we'd looked around.
Would that have been better?
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Yes. A 3-star OL or 3-star something would have been better***
Nov 6, 2014, 3:14 PM
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Re: Dabo has offered every top OL recruit in the south the past
Nov 4, 2014, 6:02 PM
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I think he's recruited well, but Patrick DeStefano is out of football and Spencer Region might as well be. Both were 4 star recruits. I think I recall a third OL who quit the game because of injury too -- so I think the results are pretty good considering the attrition. Love seeing Crowder making a difference ... and I see why you would recruit a boy like Greenlee from Central.
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Greenlee was taking on a bigger role
Nov 4, 2014, 6:06 PM
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That's why Seckinger was working with the WR's before Greenlee's injury.
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So what? We have walk-ons who see playing time.
Nov 5, 2014, 7:22 PM
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Was 2-star TE Greenlee the best possible use of a scholarship?
Do you think nepotism was involved with giving Greenlee a scholarship or do you seriously believe that Greenlee was the best possible player Clemson could have gotten onboard with a schollie?
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Couldn't you say the same thing about Jeff Scott?***
Nov 6, 2014, 10:58 AM
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Couldn't you answer my questions?
Nov 6, 2014, 3:18 PM
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But yeah... Jeff Scott was likely a nepotism hire, but at least he's always carried his weight as a recruiter. Initially he didn't seem to be a very good position coach, but Morris seems to have mentored him up.
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Receiver Coach
Nov 11, 2014, 4:34 PM
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I thought we have had a number of receivers who have made it to the NFL
under Jeff's Scott's tutelage, and he has done a whale of a job as recruiter.
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