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All-In [42026]
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Will you accept the results if your candidate loses?
Sep 16, 2020, 11:22 AM
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This is a question for both those supporting Trump and those supporting Biden. As in, you're already decided for Nov. 3 and on board with both.
When the votes are tallied, and we're talking all the mail-in ones as well, and your man loses, are you going to accept the results and accept another four years or a peaceful transition of power?
Or if your candidate refuses to concede and starts claiming fraud, are you going to go all-in and back this claim?
If you choose the latter, why?
How do you feel about either candidate claiming fraud and refusing to concede?
And if there's another option I'm leaving out, please add it.
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"your man loses"???? are you forgetting the
Sep 16, 2020, 11:26 AM
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woman in the race?
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I mean, shoot...
Sep 16, 2020, 11:29 AM
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We already know she's going to lose but she can have my losing vote.
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I'm sure whatever happens on Nov. 3, no one will concede
Sep 16, 2020, 11:28 AM
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that night, or even the next day.
I'll be good with the results and I'm kind of assuming Trump will somehow win again. I've said he'd win a second term since about 2017 or so.
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Honestly, I don't think either guy...
Sep 16, 2020, 11:30 AM
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Could feasibly concede that night due to the mail-ins, unless it's so blatantly obvious of a landslide that he has no choice. I'm talking about once it's all counted.
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Yes. Which I already have a gut feeling my candidate
Sep 16, 2020, 11:35 AM
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is going to lose.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average american voter
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Republicans will; many Dems will not
Sep 16, 2020, 11:37 AM
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This has already been proven
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Re: Republicans will; many Dems will not
Sep 16, 2020, 11:42 AM
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I'm assuming you mean 2000. You don't think it would have been the other way around if Gore had been ruled president?
What makes you think Republicans will accept Trump's loss this time, particularly if he claims fraud and says he's the rightful winner?
And what will you say if he does that?
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Heisman Winner [119597]
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Dems did not accept Hillary’s loss in 2016
Sep 16, 2020, 11:50 AM
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Many still do not!
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Re: Dems did not accept Hillary’s loss in 2016
Sep 16, 2020, 11:53 AM
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They were poor sports about it, but were they claiming fraud or trying to call the election illegitimate?
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Kinda - by complaining about the Electoral College and
Sep 16, 2020, 12:08 PM
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claiming that Trump only won because of collusion with the Russians.
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That seems more like whining about the rules...
Sep 16, 2020, 12:30 PM
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And not actually claiming someone cheated or needed to have the election overturned.
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110%er [9648]
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Got's to disagree. There were a lot of individuals who
Sep 16, 2020, 12:40 PM
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pointed to those 2 things and said Trump didn't really win.
I say "individuals" because your OP asked if we (as individuals) would accept the outcome.
From an overall standpoint - The Trump impeachment proceedings started the day after the election (figuratively). So, overall, people did not accept his election...
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Fair enough.***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:42 PM
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Re: Dems did not accept Hillary’s loss in 2016
Sep 16, 2020, 12:48 PM
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Okay. Well, those are the things I'm talking about with "not accepting".
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Re: Dems did not accept Hillary’s loss in 2016
Sep 16, 2020, 5:15 PM
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There is going to be plenty of this type of whining and complaining no matter who loses.
I think what Cat is asking is there going to be any serious trouble - will we as a nation accept the legal results and inaugurate the winner.
There are going to be some legal challenges, especially in the swing states, but i hope Americans will accept the results and try to move forward. I will do my part.
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Re: Dems did not accept Hillary’s loss in 2016
Sep 16, 2020, 5:18 PM
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Heisman Winner [137807]
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Re: And yet...
Sep 16, 2020, 12:50 PM
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lulz, just lulz at Barr's twitter handle: b-boy bouiebaisse
Sep 16, 2020, 3:45 PM
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like, ###, bro?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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yes, will completely accept...
Sep 16, 2020, 11:39 AM
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will not support any push concerning fraud.
I have issues in the situations of universal mail-in voting, but these appear to be the rules going forward, so not going to claim fraud afterward.
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This is my concern.
Sep 16, 2020, 11:44 AM
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That no matter what happens Nov. 3 or the days after, neither candidate/side will back down, and we are thrown into even more chaos and turmoil.
As for your mention of the GOP major players, Trump has suggested he won't concede, and we've seen Roger Stone and that other current official already claiming fraud and extremism before it even happens.
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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I don't care about Roger Stone (didn't he get arrested?)
Sep 16, 2020, 12:00 PM
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But I googled "Trump says he won't concede election" and the first few results were inconclusive.
Business insider was first, and after reading the article, I saw this:
-President Donald Trump refused to commit to accepting the results of the 2020 election and ensuring a peaceful transition of power in an interview with "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace aired Sunday.
-In the interview, Trump repeated his frequent false claim that mail-in ballots are inherently "rigged" and said that he is "not a good loser."
-"I have to see, look, I have to see, I'm not just going to say yes, I'm not going to say no, and I didn't last time either," Trump said when Wallace directly asked if he would accept the election results.
He never came out and flatly said he wouldn't accept the results. But he lies so much, what do you believe on way or the other?
The next was a hit piece from CNN, and the remaining on that page were "what if" opinion pieces from various outlets. Even Al Gore was quoted a few times.
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Re: I don't care about Roger Stone (didn't he get arrested?)
Sep 16, 2020, 12:31 PM
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The Chris Wallace interview was what I was referring to, and that's all I need to cite. He's already cast doubt on accepting the results.
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Count as what?***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:30 PM
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It depends on the legitimacy of the claim.
Sep 16, 2020, 11:51 AM
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Having said that, I won't be screaming fraud just because my guy loses. If my guy loses fair and square, America will move forward, and so will I.
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What would make a claim legitimate?***
Sep 16, 2020, 11:54 AM
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If we had video of people altering votes, with multiple
Sep 16, 2020, 12:33 PM
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witnesses, and confessions, all confirmed by lie detector tests administered by multiple agencies and houses of congress.
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There may be a thousand other scenarios I would consider
Sep 16, 2020, 12:37 PM
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legitimate as well. It would be ridiculous to attempt to cover all hypotheticals here.
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Heisman Winner [137807]
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Sure, but what scenario will you consider "fair and square"?
Sep 16, 2020, 12:22 PM
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Trump certainly won't consider a loss fair and square, and will cast aspersions and accusations and doubt in every direction possible (and I'm not pretending that Biden and the Democrats won't either). I've seen no evidence that you or anybody else voting for Trump won't immediately take up that fight, with or without proof. Do you believe 5 million illegals voted in 2016? And not only that, all for Hillary? Because a WHOLE lot of people do.
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Re: Sure, but what scenario will you consider "fair and square"?
Sep 16, 2020, 12:26 PM
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Heisman Winner [137807]
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The ones who lost the Presidential election due to the
Sep 16, 2020, 12:32 PM
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Electoral College. Same thing would happen if Republicans won the popular vote but lost the election, unless you just enjoy kidding yourself. Fortunately, you won't be faced with that situation anytime soon due to demographics.
There is a pretty serious issue with representation across the states though, with the EC being one major component of it. California has 40M people. Wyoming has less than 500K. Each state has 2 Senators. Which resident's vote is worth more, by a magnitude of about 80X?
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They’re actually worth exactly the same,
Sep 16, 2020, 12:36 PM
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Which was the point of the EC.
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Well we’ve already got Dem rioting for the past
Sep 16, 2020, 12:07 PM
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Why does anyone care what Hillary Clinton says?***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:11 PM
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Re: Why does anyone care what Hillary Clinton says?***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:12 PM
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I've never had a convention.***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:19 PM
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Oh are you now on the “not on a team” team too lol?***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:21 PM
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Why do you think politics is a team sport?***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:32 PM
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Re: Why do you think politics is a team sport?***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:47 PM
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Re: Why do you think politics is a team sport?***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:54 PM
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That doesn't mean you have to be a part of that team. It means you're making a choice. You may be making the choice simply because you don't like the other guy.
If someone votes for Biden, that doesn't make him automatically a Dem or on that team. You (and other Trump loyalists) have a problem with absolutes. You think anyone who doesn't adore this president is immediately Team Dem. That's not the way the world works.
There are plenty of people who voted Trump because they disliked Hillary. They aren't Trump loyalists. That's not hard to understand.
And being loyal to a political team, Dem, GOP, or Trump is foolish and a poor understanding of all of them.
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Re: Why do you think politics is a team sport?***
Sep 16, 2020, 1:07 PM
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Re: Why do you think politics is a team sport?***
Sep 16, 2020, 1:40 PM
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Please. The GOP isn't interested in your core beliefs, but will pander to you to trick you into voting for them the same way the Dems pander to a different section of the population the same way. Big money and corporations buy them, and they'll choose the letter by their name that works best for the pandering.
It's like abortion. Both sides throw it around come election time to stir up voter emotions, but you notice how nothing really changes with abortion after they get elected? Yeah.
And hell, Trump doesn't even embrace core Republican beliefs so I'm not sure what you're doing there.
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Re: Why do you think politics is a team sport?***
Sep 16, 2020, 1:51 PM
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Re: Well we’ve already got Dem rioting for the past
Sep 16, 2020, 12:35 PM
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I don't understand why Trump people would distrust a system that got him elected in the first place.
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Re: Well we’ve already got Dem rioting for the past
Sep 16, 2020, 5:25 PM
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I think Ms. Clinton is being slightly misinterpreted.
Here is what she said, "Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is," Clinton said in an excerpt posted Tuesday.
The Republican and Democratic parties will have plenty of people closely watching vote counting and election results. There will be at least a few states in which those counts will be close enough to be contested. This is nothing new.
I think Ms. Clinton is merely suggesting that Joe do nothing hasty as far as concession is concerned and that Democratic lawyers be ready to legally fight to make sure votes are fairly counted.
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Re: Will you accept the results if your candidate loses?
Sep 16, 2020, 12:08 PM
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No. I'm going to protest if she loses.
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The second level questions are perhaps more significant.
Sep 16, 2020, 12:11 PM
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Regardless of winner, how does ...
- the economic recovery play out including the financial viability of the US Federal government,
- the social justice & equality movement get resolved,
- international relationships develop,
- environmental / climate change impact American lives and international relations,
- US government institutions such as the Justice Department, Courts and constitutional norms evolve.
Covid 19 is intentionally left out, a vaccine or other resolution will likely be deployed and accepted in 2021. Hopefully another new pandemic is not on the horizon..
The Trump Party has a very myopic and short term view. Old solutions will be offered to current issues. The Democratic Party listens to the experts but effectiveness of new solutions can be questioned. Americans are likely to be very unhappy and dissatisfied in 2021. How long that lasts and how great the dissatisfaction are the biggest questions.
We think 2020 is bad, but 2021 may not be much better. To answer your question, I will have to accept the election results and future outcomes of that choice. Whoever the winner is, it’s doubtful much of America will feel like it’s winning. That’s the longer term problem.
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Re: The second level questions are perhaps more significant.
Sep 16, 2020, 12:26 PM
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It this going to be a repeat of threats of WWIII and carnage in the middle east that we heard before the 2016 election? I hate when WWIII happens two election cycles in a row.
Is the stock market going to crash again, again?
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Re: The second level questions are perhaps more significant.
Sep 16, 2020, 12:30 PM
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Only Trumpers reside in a world of threats and fears.
Sep 16, 2020, 1:41 PM
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See Trump’s impending threats to the suburbs. It seems you Trump guys are pretty sensitive and high strung to immediately go to stock market crashes and WW3. But hey, they are extreme threats.
The original post simply presents two points:
1- The problems don’t go away in January 2021. Many Americans will continue to be disgruntled for awhile based on personal short term economic challenges. Things could readily get better in the second half of 2021. Let’s hope so.
2 - Some long term systemic issues will remain well beyond 2021. Whoever wins, solutions to those issues will challenge the next president. Let’s also hope favorable outcomes to the bigger questions.
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Re: The second level questions are perhaps more significant.
Sep 16, 2020, 5:28 PM
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Tropical,
I agree with what you are saying. I would only point out that Americans will respond positively if they can see some progress on those issues. We don't have to have miraculous solutions to move forward.
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Re: The second level questions are perhaps more significant.
Sep 16, 2020, 5:34 PM
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I don't really like either that i must chose from
Sep 16, 2020, 12:12 PM
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there is one i will vote for, though. Whoever wins it, I might not like it but I will take each day moving forward on its own. Just like I do already.
But, neither one of these yahoo's is my savior.
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Sure, are you?
Sep 16, 2020, 12:16 PM
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Pubs aren't the people rioting in the streets, looting and burning stores and we aren't the ones who considered blowing up the white house or when was the last time an actor assassinated a president.
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Re: Sure, are you?
Sep 16, 2020, 12:24 PM
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Insurance claims about $1 billion so far.***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:28 PM
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Yup...
Sep 16, 2020, 12:33 PM
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Assuming all legal votes are counted.
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Oculus Spirit [93614]
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Define legal.
Sep 16, 2020, 12:58 PM
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What if the vote count totals 105% of registered voters, you still good with the outcome? Before you get all comfortable thinking only one party is corrupt enough to harvest and manipulate votes you might consider that's what those in the other party think too.
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Re: Define legal.
Sep 16, 2020, 3:30 PM
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No. I wouldn't be good with that. No American should.
A legal vote is one submitted ONE time by a citizen and counted.
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Re: Define legal.
Sep 16, 2020, 5:37 PM
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1988,
It is never going to be 105%. We would be lucky if it got to 85%. (80% was the 2016 % of registered voters that voted.)
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Re: Will you accept the results if your candidate loses?
Sep 16, 2020, 12:19 PM
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I think their will be a faction of Trump supporters that will not.
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Re: Will you accept the results if your candidate loses?
Sep 16, 2020, 5:37 PM
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Carl,
I worry about that a bit.
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Billary still believes she won
Sep 16, 2020, 12:24 PM
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Even though the electoral college has been in place for about 250 years
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All-In [34100]
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Yes, my candidate already lost and I accept it.***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:27 PM
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All-In [40344]
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You have to accept it
Sep 16, 2020, 12:29 PM
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Or be miserable for the next 4-8 years
Sadly, I think both sides will claim fraud (no matter what) I don’t remember a time when 7 states were allowing voting to start in September that weren’t requested absentee ballots ( I could be wrong, I have never paid that much attention because it never felt to be an issue)
If Biden wins, Trump will go full blown vindictive and “peaceful transition of power” will be laughable. Even if trump does win, the same will probably happen in 4 yrs.
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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I'll just threaten to move to a 2nd world Caribbean country
Sep 16, 2020, 12:39 PM
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uh...wait a second. Why wouldn't I do that either way?
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because you can't sell your house.***
Sep 16, 2020, 12:40 PM
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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2 weeks and 4 days from closing
Sep 16, 2020, 12:42 PM
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But I'm states bound for a while until my passport gets straightened out, but I AM moving to an island!
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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We are a lot less free in America than most people want to
Sep 16, 2020, 12:49 PM
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admit.
Bahamians laugh at us about it. And they're not wrong.
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That may be the one good thing that comes out of a little
Sep 16, 2020, 12:54 PM
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bit of social unrest. The busybodies are forced to re-arrange their priorities.
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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You have to check into customs and pay them.
Sep 16, 2020, 1:20 PM
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Its been that way forever, at least since they broke from England. At least its a well known law.
Somehow, I doubt you'll be fined for driving your golf cart 2 minutes before sunset, or pulled for 35/45, or given a ticket to what amounts to a simple traffic violation that is on your record for the rest of your life.
From your comments, and I'm not intending to be snarky, but I really think you like being over policed. I guess some folks need that to feel like they have a structure..or something, I don't know.
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Re: You have to check into customs and pay them.
Sep 16, 2020, 2:01 PM
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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There's rule of law, then there is over policing and simple
Sep 16, 2020, 3:24 PM
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revenue generation.
I'm not blaming anyone for my actions; If I'm guilty of something that's really illegal, then sure, I should be fined, charged, detained, put to death--whatever is the reasonable penalty for whatever crime I've committed.
But the constant harassment, selective law enforcement and egregious penalties I have a problem with. I don't know how I could have typed all that I have over the last few days and that not sunken in.
I've had money attempted to be stolen from me by a jurisdiction (Sullivan's island), stolen from me and threatened with jail (newberry), threatened with jail and more fines for paying a fine (Pickens/Clemson), fined with egregious penalties-$1,040 for a little known, hard to understand ordinance-(Sullivan's island), pointlessly ticketed (Mt Pleasant), harassed (Mt Pleasant), threatened with jail time (Mt Pleasant). There's so much I haven't expressed, but I don't think it matters. Apparently, you seem to think the cops are always right in hat they do, and whomever they are doing it to are always wrong. I'm saying its not that way. At all.
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Re: There's rule of law, then there is over policing and simple
Sep 16, 2020, 3:34 PM
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Re: There's rule of law, then there is over policing and simple
Sep 16, 2020, 3:43 PM
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He lives in Mount Pleasant and the island areas, so yes, he would be subjected to more nitpicking police harassment. Mt. P is more concerned with ticket revenue than purging their ranks of an officer who obviously murdered his fiancee or actually making arrests for negligent drivers who kill people in the town.
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Re: There's rule of law, then there is over policing and simple
Sep 16, 2020, 3:54 PM
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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I'm not even talking about speeding.
Sep 16, 2020, 4:17 PM
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That's an easy one. I'm talking about drinking a beer in my front yard, a cop drives by and tells me I can't have a beer in public.
It's happened.
And would have been angered if you would have been pulled for going 35mph getting off the bridge where its a 45mph zone? Yeah..I think you would have.
I've had it happen.
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Re: You have to check into customs and pay them.
Sep 16, 2020, 3:28 PM
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Rule of law is what makes a society. Laws aren’t just made up. They’re voted on by legislators elected by the people.
But not all laws are just or are necessary, and many are just put in place for control and generating revenue through fines. We are an overpoliced society filled with local, state, and federal laws that are specifically designed to prey on the people.
It's the same #### the British did to the colonists.
Blindly obeying every law and trying to justify the bad ones is simple defeatist compliance with authoritarianism.
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Re: You have to check into customs and pay them.
Sep 16, 2020, 3:32 PM
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Re: You have to check into customs and pay them.
Sep 16, 2020, 3:39 PM
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I'll blame cops when they are trying to meet quotas (yeah, those happen no matter how much they claim they don't) that are tied in with local revenue generation. That's unjust.
Sure, we have the representation, but more and more, we see those folks don't work for us but are rather beholden to corporations and lining their own pockets. And since that's a bipartisan effort of dishonesty and corruption, we're not in great shape for it.
As IU and Lakebum have cited, some of these laws just serve to harass and take money. Is IU hurting someone or society by driving a golf cart 16 mph (with headlights) shortly before dark? Absolutely not. But someone in power saw people doing that, decided to make up a law about it, and now they can fine people for it.
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Re: You have to check into customs and pay them.
Sep 16, 2020, 3:47 PM
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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But then I have to go to court.
Sep 16, 2020, 4:24 PM
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As I have done. How many times do I need to go to court to prove my innocence before its just simple harassment?
And you keep mentioning kids driving golf carts...I don't have any kids. I don't even know any.
And I can;t vote people out of office alone. I have one vote, and like you, if others seem to like to be over policed because it hasn't affected them yet, why would they care? They care about as much about having less harassing laws as I do about kids driving golf carts.
And like I said, I'm not being snarky--Its just pretty obvious that you like the over police state to me.
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Re: Will you accept the results if your candidate loses?
Sep 16, 2020, 12:43 PM
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If I'm convinced that my vote, my mail in ballot, my absentee ballot and both of my kid's mail in ballot that I send in were all counted, I'll feel I did all I could for my candidate and accept the results.
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If Harris wins, I think I will be pissed***
Sep 16, 2020, 1:43 PM
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Of course***
Sep 16, 2020, 1:57 PM
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