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Front Page Story: TigerNet Talk: Does Tajh Boyd have a legitimate shot at the Heisman?
Aug 23, 2012, 9:50 AM
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Re: Front Page Story: TigerNet Talk: Does Tajh Boyd have a legitimate shot at the Heisman?
Aug 23, 2012, 9:53 AM
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I don't think so... We still don't have the respect!
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Re: Front Page Story: TigerNet Talk: Does Tajh Boyd have a legitimate shot at the Heisman?
Aug 23, 2012, 10:09 AM
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Great WR unit - check.
Great RB in backfield - check.
Consistent Offensive Line - ????
Even if the OL plays better than I expect, I don't think it will be enough to make him a Heisman contender this year. Our success in the win column directly correlates to Tajh's chances of being a contender. If I had to bet on it, the OL isn't strong enough to give us the wins & to give Tajh the consistency he needs to win it.
2013 may, and hopefully will be, a different story altogether.
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Re: Front Page Story: TigerNet Talk: Does Tajh Boyd have a legitimate shot at the Heisman?
Aug 23, 2012, 10:35 AM
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Could a "weak" OL possibly improve his chances through if he has great numbers and wins games? Being able to create a play from nothing and make plays with your feet is what helped RG3 win it last year. It will certainly make a statement to know that even with an inexperienced line, he was able to make plays and find receivers on the move.
I'm a glass half full guy.
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Considering CJ wasn't even INVITED to the ceremony
Aug 23, 2012, 9:54 AM
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I highly doubt it
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I still believe that was one of the largest
Aug 23, 2012, 10:17 AM
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miscarriages of justice in the history of the award...maybe in the history of college football.
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What killed CJ was his rushing stats
Aug 23, 2012, 10:32 AM
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We all know CJ was amazing and was a multipurpose threat. Whether it was running, receiving, or kick returning he would strike fear in his opponents every time he touched the ball. The problem was that he didn't just have average RB stats with his all-purpose yardage, he was a little below that and I think that's what killed him. He only had 1 big time breakout game rushing and that was the ACC championship. Only 3 other times did he even hit 100 yards. In the other 9 games he had 12, 87, 77, 72, 81, 27, 97, 58, and 18 yards. That's certainly not gonna "wow" voters, which is what you have to do to get the Heisman.
Now Tahj on the other hand, he doesn't have to worry about all purpose. All he needs to do is put up passing yards. If he can consistently have 300+ yard games, maybe mix in a 400 yarder or 2 and throw a bunch of TDs, then he'll be right there. Especially if we win. I think he'll do it too!
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That and our record, overall performance of the team.
Aug 23, 2012, 12:03 PM
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It, unfortunately, always is a major factor as well.
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That might be why he didn't get the votes, but has nothing
Aug 23, 2012, 12:42 PM
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to do with why he didn't get invited to NY. The lack of invite to NY was because they didn't think he would raise TV ratings. Tebow raised TV ratings, so he was invited despite being in a distant 5th. Whereas CJ was not too far behind him in 6th and there was a huge dropoff in votes to 7th.
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I think so, just not this year.
Aug 23, 2012, 10:09 AM
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In order for any player to have a legitimate shot at the Heisman, their team has to be in the national championship hunt. While I don't see Clemson in it this year, I think its likely they'll be in the conversation next year.
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^^agreed.***
Aug 23, 2012, 10:10 AM
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Good Point.*****
Aug 23, 2012, 11:10 AM
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Baylor only lost 3 games, and knocked off 4 ranked opponents
Aug 23, 2012, 12:19 PM
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last year, and their losses were earlier in the season. We went 6-5 with Dantzler in 2001, and also lost 5 games in 2009 (Spiller) including our last regular season game where Spiller didn't impress with his rushing numbers, and then lost the championship to GT.
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Heisman is the product of a HYPE machine. Tajh wont win it***
Aug 23, 2012, 10:12 AM
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Glad to hear The Fridge is doing better healthwise.
Aug 23, 2012, 10:16 AM
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Love the show. Keep it up!
GO TIGERS!!!!!
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Anyone can win it this time of the year.***
Aug 23, 2012, 10:19 AM
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Re: Front Page Story: TigerNet Talk: Does Tajh Boyd have a legitimate shot at the Heisman?
Aug 23, 2012, 11:11 AM
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I honestly think the only way this happens is if we actually have a defense that can cause a lot of three and outs on the other side...or at least could get the offense back on the field more i.e. turnovers. Look at our defense last year...not many three and outs...cost us the GT game IMO. I just don't buy into the fact that this offense means our defense has to be on the field more. It still comes down to, if you stop THEM on offense the defense comes off the field. It is still the defenses job to stop the other team. I don't care how many times they have to trot out there after our offense scores or punts. Just stop the other team and the offense gets another chance!
Imagine how many yards or plays this team could run if we could just get it the ball more! Imagine a dominant defense that could stop the other team, and then putting this offense on the field MORE! That is where you will see the gaudy numbers put up. JMO!
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Re: Front Page Story: TigerNet Talk: Does Tajh Boyd have a legitimate shot at the Heisman?
Aug 23, 2012, 2:35 PM
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What you described is what WV did vs.us in the OB. Their defense got us off the field, and their offense scored regularly. I would love for our defense to do the job, and then the offense do it's job, every time we have the ball. When Oklahoma was in Switzer's heyday, that's what they did week after week. They won games like 70-0 or some lopsided score every week.
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Re: Front Page Story: TigerNet Talk: Does Tajh Boyd have a legitimate shot at the Heisman?
Aug 23, 2012, 11:13 AM
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We just need to worry about winning games! You cant even talk heisman unless your winning. Get tired of all the preseason heiman talk. Just F'n WIN!
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The o-line is going to factor into his chances, as well as
Aug 23, 2012, 12:01 PM
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the overall performance, the defense, and the overall record of the team. It's always been that way.
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LOL, you're seriously discussing Clemson Tom
Aug 23, 2012, 12:58 PM
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Isnt that like being an enabler?
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If Clemson can go 8-0 and he puts up those ridiculous #'s
Aug 23, 2012, 12:59 PM
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again, then sure. But he's got to avoid the collapse at the end that happened to him last year.
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Boyd is good, but not Heisman-esque great like RG3, et al.
Aug 23, 2012, 1:16 PM
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IMHO Boyd is just not the same caliber of QB as recent Heisman-winning QBs like, RG3, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, & Tim Tebow (or even non-winners like Andrew Luck). And I just don't see Boyd jumping ahead of guys like Matt Barkley.
The Heisman-QB speculation is always a fun topic, just like it was with Cullen Harper, Kyle Parker, et al.
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IMO...Yes, but!
Aug 23, 2012, 5:43 PM
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he would have to cut back on some of the Turn overs.
and,Clemson would need to be a top 7 or 8 team,nationally.
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