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Fox Legal Analyst "Trump committed obstruction of Justice"
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Fox Legal Analyst "Trump committed obstruction of Justice"


Apr 25, 2019, 1:45 PM

More info for Trump supporters to ignore. Even from Fox News. <img border=">

"Mueller laid out at least a half-dozen crimes of obstruction committed by Trump -- from asking former Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland to write an untruthful letter about the reason for Flynn's chat with Kislyak, to asking Corey Lewandowski and then-former White House Counse lDon McGahn to fire Mueller and McGahn to lie about it, to firing Comey to impede the FBI's investigations, to dangling a pardon in front of Michael Cohen to stay silent, to ordering his aides to hide and delete records.

The essence of obstruction is deception or diversion -- to prevent the government from finding the truth. To Mueller, the issue was not if Trump committed crimes of obstruction. Rather, it was if Trump could be charged successfully with those crimes.

Mueller knew that Barr would block an indictment of Trump because Barr has a personal view of obstruction at odds with the statute itself. Barr's view requires that the obstructer has done his obstructing in order to impede the investigation or prosecution of a crime that the obstructer himself has committed. Thus, in this narrow view, because Trump did not commit the crime of conspiracy with the Russians, it was legally impossible for Trump to have obstructed the FBI investigation of that crime.

The nearly universal view of law enforcement, however, is that the obstruction statute prohibits all attempted self-serving interference with government investigations or proceedings. Thus, as Georgetown Professor Neal Katyal recently pointed out, former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was convicted of obstruction for interfering with an investigation of his extramarital affair, even though the affair was lawful."

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-did-president-trump-obstruct-justice


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Re: Fox Legal Analyst "Trump committed obstruction of Justice"


Apr 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

Derp, but the economy is gud, and Hillary should be in prison. Derp!

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Yet it's well established law that obstruction of justice...


Apr 25, 2019, 2:10 PM

when there's no underlying crime is subject to proof of motive. If the dems in congress had proof of motive they'd be already impeaching Trump.

Now let me tell you what's happening. The senate pubs are dead set against impeaching a successful POTUS. That's not debatable to them or me.

The dems know that their only recourse is to find dirt on Trump for the 2020 election. Dems are using congressional power to do opposition research against their opposition party. This is all the intelligence community did when they spied on Trump. So the beat goes on, and the beat goes on. Drums keep pounding rhythm to the brain...la-di-da-di dee, la-di-da-di dah....

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Re: Yet it's well established law that obstruction of justice...


Apr 25, 2019, 2:41 PM

Actually I think the Dems are wisely holding off with impeachment, they're beginning to look too much like the Reps under Obama. Remember the 7 Congressional investigations of Hilldog that found she had committed no crimes....even though Trump supporters still want her locked up for some reason. Not to mention Rep. Chavitz, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee stating that even if Hillary won they can do 2 more years of hearings and investigations. (Good for the goose but not good for the gander?)

Further, you and I both know that the intelligence community didn't spy on Trump. Any fair minded person would have launched a counter-intelligence investigation given the over-whelming number of contacts between Trump et al and people associated with Russia.

And the beat goes on....used to be one of my favorite songs when I was a kid. Do you also remember this great one from the same era?

https://youtu.be/mdt0SOqPJcg

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Re: Yet it's well established law that obstruction of justice...


Apr 26, 2019, 10:01 AM

"Any fair minded person would have launched a counter-intelligence investigation given the over-whelming number of contacts between Trump et al and people associated with Russia."

REALLY, fair minded is how you see this now knowing that the first FISA application was to spy on Carter Page who was never charged with a crime? There was no evidence that any American conspired with Russia to fix the election? The Russian lawyer who met with Trump was working for Fusion GPS which was the firm which a Hillary/DNC's lawyer farmed out opposition research who hired Steele to contact Russian intelligence to find dirt on Trump?

Really? After two years of looking like a putz who has his head stuck up his a.. in the sand crying 'collusion,' with me and a couple others saying you're wrong you continue to insist that Trump wasn't spied on? He said Trump Tower's phones was tapped and you and others laughed at him but now it is not obvious the DNC/Hillary were behind the Fusion setup?

BTW, they needed Trump's testimony to show his intent was to obstruct justice. He answered all the questions in writing which concerned events after his inaugration. Previous to that he was a private citizen and they had all the evidence from the spying of which he was a victim. They didn't take it to court because they knew the bench would confound them.

You kidding? The BB made me wet but I turned a little more toward Stevie, thank goodness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9Oubxw1gA


Message was edited by: ClemsonTiger1988®


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Re: Yet it's well established law that obstruction of justice...


Apr 26, 2019, 3:43 PM

I can't help you if you insist on believing whatever you want to believe.

Facts no longer seem to matter, you accept the Hannity/Trump line as if it were pumped into intravenously.

I prefer to just agree to disagree.

In the meantime, see if this one takes you back?:

Lemon Pipers, "Green Tambourine" 1968

https://youtu.be/S5Vz-z4PEkk

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That is better than Dylan.


Apr 26, 2019, 4:24 PM

I had all Dylan's recordings up to 69 but I preferred the alternate versions by PP&Mary, LP, Hendrix and others. I never like Dylan's voice, the nasal tone and accent was abrasive, even caustic as the years rolled by.

You could could have at least put forth a critique of my comment about the Bench confounding Mueller's request to force Trump to be interrogated.

Look at us, more interested in antiquated music than politics. I'd say politics is about all we don't have in common. Thanks for playing with me, brother. Fine entertainment while I supplement my busy time in my retirement years.

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BTW, You ignore everything I said when a reasonable....


Apr 26, 2019, 4:33 PM

man who didn't agree with my position would have contradicted the details I listed. Instead you went straight to criticizing Hannity, Fox and shooting the messenger by accusing me of narrow-minded. All I'm askin 4...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0

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Re: Yet it's well established law that obstruction of justice...


Apr 26, 2019, 9:44 PM [ in reply to Re: Yet it's well established law that obstruction of justice... ]

Beginning to look like the Reps. under Obama? Please get a brain and an education.

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Where are you getting this "opposition research" narrative?


Apr 25, 2019, 3:04 PM [ in reply to Yet it's well established law that obstruction of justice... ]

You've inserted it into about 5 different posts of yours today so it's clearly something you're trying to push as a narrative. Is this what right-wing media has recently moved to using as a talking point or is this just something you've recently come up with yourself?

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Did the DNC hire a lawyer for opposition research who...


Apr 26, 2019, 10:17 AM

farmed out the work to Fusion GPS? Did Fusion GPS hire Steele to work toward that goal? Did Steele not contact Russian for dirt on Trump who in turn gave him the content of the dossier?

Is not the house oversight committee investigating the object of that research again now and using the Mueller report which was the eventuality of the opposition research? Does this not show a chain of reactions to opposition research which was begun in America extended to Russia then to be concluded in the house of representatives?

It's all just another Fox/Pub conspiracy theory which will go nowhere exactly like the reports on Trump being spied on and his innocence of colluding with Russia to fix the 2016 election. Surely Fox won't be right twice in one lifetime, not your lifetime, especially since this is so important and impeaching Trump was just trivial, right?

Just askin

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Re: Did the DNC hire a lawyer for opposition research who...


Apr 26, 2019, 11:25 AM

Read page 89 of the Mueller Report and get back to me on why the investigation started.

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The FBI was doing opposition research.


Apr 26, 2019, 12:35 PM

I referenced the FISA warrant on carter page and linked it to the DNC/Hillary opposition research which produced the steele document. Are you oblivious to what that means when Page wasn't charged? The FBI sought a FISA warrant because Page's name was on a false, unverified document.

Review the FISA and application. What does it say at the top?

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Re: Did the DNC hire a lawyer for opposition research who...


Apr 27, 2019, 4:10 AM [ in reply to Re: Did the DNC hire a lawyer for opposition research who... ]

The Mueller report is lying in this instance. The investigation started over the Steele Dossier. Carter Page was the first person named in the FISA requests. Odd that he wasn't indicted by Mueller don't you think?

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Do you think Russia interfered in the election?***


Apr 26, 2019, 5:22 PM [ in reply to Did the DNC hire a lawyer for opposition research who... ]



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So you chose to ask a question instead of answering a few?


Apr 26, 2019, 10:33 PM

Yes, we probably haven't had a POTUS election they didn't screw with since before WWII. So what?

I'm struggling to figure out what makes that relevant to my post. It seems like nothing but a distraction so you can respond and ignore the questions posed.

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Re: So you chose to ask a question instead of answering a few?


Apr 26, 2019, 10:43 PM

I have another question. If Michael Cohen is going to jail, in part for violation of Federal Campaign Finance law....then shouldn't Trump go as well?

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Cohen...


Apr 27, 2019, 10:26 AM

confessed to a crime which he didn't commit to get a reduced sentence to many much more serious crimes which he did commit. Cohen appears to be guilty of a lot of crimes which would put him behind bars for much longer periods of time had he been sentenced fairly to them without a the plea deal. and confessing to things which won't net you time in jail like campaign finance violation. Cohen got 36 months.

Cohen confessed to other things which weren't crimes to cast shadows on Trump. Mueller's directive was to get Trump. Dems act like it was all about Russia but Mueller charged the Russians after they left the country and were outside the reach of the arm of American justice. You guys don't focus on Russia, you and nearly everything in the MSM reporting about the Mueller investigation regards Trump.

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That basic question I hadn't seen you answer before


Apr 26, 2019, 11:35 PM [ in reply to Did the DNC hire a lawyer for opposition research who... ]

and it is an important question when dealing with all of this. So, you agree with Mueller and our intelligence agencies that Russia interfered in the election and are posed to do it again. Okay. Good.

As for your questions, here's a good explainer:

https://observer.com/2019/04/steele-dossier-trump-kremlin-dubious-intelligence/

"It seems significant that the Special Counsel’s report on Trump and the Russians in 2016 barely mentions Steele and his dossier. In its admittedly highly redacted version, the report never implies that the dossier had any impact on the Department of Justice’s investigation into the president. That assessment is starkly at odds with volumes of Trumpian mythology, tweeted regularly by the president himself, that Steele’s “phony and corrupt dossier” was the cause of Robert Mueller’s “witch hunt” (a term tweeted by the president 182 times) in the first place.

Of course, none of that is true. The prime mover of the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into then-candidate Trump wasn’t the Steele dossier, rather highly classified signals intelligence from American and allied spy agencies back in late 2015, which portrayed Trump’s relationship with Moscow in a troubling light, as I reported nearly a year ago. Steele’s dossier wasn’t completed until the end of the following year."

...

"The Steele dossier will never go away now. It has entered the pantheon of Trumpist mythology about 2016, where facts don’t matter, alongside other nasty lies such as “illegal FISA warrants,””illegal wiretaps,” and “Seth Rich was killed by a Hillary Clinton death squad.” That some of these unpleasant fabrications, which have been cited nonstop by the president and his minions"

What is the evidence that Trump was spied on? I've heard Barr say it and Trump say it but is there actual evidence or are you, for some reason, trusting the word of Trump?

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Well, crap. Replied to wrong post.***


Apr 26, 2019, 11:38 PM



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These threads are long which makes it difficult to track a..


Apr 27, 2019, 2:13 PM

specific subject because everyone throws in distractions, deflections and projections.

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This administration is as crooked as


Apr 25, 2019, 2:41 PM

a dog's hind leg, just like most other 3rd world dictatorships, and thats how the rest of the world views us now; no better than a Duterte or Erdogan. If real conservatives want a political party, they'd do well to rid themselves of Trump and his followers.

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I agree, that medical pot is killer stuff.


Apr 26, 2019, 10:19 AM

Sometimes I toke a little long and hard too,




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If the only reason Mueller didn't indict was because


Apr 25, 2019, 3:06 PM

he knew Barr would block it, he should have done it anyway. If Barr blocks it then, Mueller has done his job based on his investigation and Barr becomes the goat/hero. Congress is still free to impeach. I respect Judge Napolitano, but not sure I buy his explanation here.

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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
- H. L. Mencken


After buying him a new wardrobe because he'd...


Apr 26, 2019, 4:15 PM

gained so much weight his jackets would only button in one spot Fox decided to make him present opposing arguments. He's been on that 'Down with Trump,' kick for about 4-6 months now.

He's sharp as a razor, so sharp he can argue either side. When someone gives me a legal opinion I look for opposition opinions so I can weigh the facts and law to reach a position I can be comfortable with. Every lawyer who doesn't approach a situation involving law like that is not a good lawyer. That's the craft.

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"Yeah he's a disgusting, corrupt liar, but...


Apr 25, 2019, 3:08 PM

...it's not collusion!"

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My Son's Hamster "Trump Makes America Great. Again."***


Apr 25, 2019, 3:10 PM



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Hook Line and Sinker


Apr 25, 2019, 8:38 PM

They got you to believe Collusion for two years. Now they have you believing Obstruction, from an investigation that “doesn’t exhonerate him”, but didn’t charge him. Collusion was the 2-year media story that built support for the midterms. Obstruction is the 19-month media story to build support for the Grope and Change presidency.

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I think it's hilarious.


Apr 26, 2019, 10:27 AM

In six weeks the MSM will be fighting for the DNC/Hillary's, Clapper's, Brennen's, McCabe's, Lynch's lives and freedom. They won't have time to fight the obstruction destruction.

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What's this about?


Apr 27, 2019, 2:22 PM

Are we back to the "Lock Her Up" nonsense that never goes anywhere?

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Re: Fox Legal Analyst "Trump committed obstruction of Justice"


Apr 26, 2019, 9:42 PM

Still stupid, I see.

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Re: Fox Legal Analyst "Trump committed obstruction of Justice"


Apr 27, 2019, 7:44 AM

Napolitano is a contrarian jerk! He would argue that the sun does not rise in the east!

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