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For those of you who rail against socialism, serious question.
Mar 7, 2019, 1:37 AM
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If you had your druthers, would you eliminate social security benefits and Medicare for senior citizens?
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I'm sure you know and understand this
Mar 7, 2019, 5:35 AM
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Those are social programs not socialism.
You keep adding more and more social programs and your get socialism automatically and lose freedoms and control over even little decisions in your life.
Let me ask you this. If the US had always been socialist and not capitalistic, where do you think the. ountry and the world would be right now?
Why does everyone flock here from other countries? It ain't cause we're socialist. They ain't flocking to Venezuela or Cuba. They ain't even flocking to our little sister up north where they could get free healthcare.
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Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 6:33 AM
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at least as some kind of example of socialistic programs...they are examples of forced insurance (by in large). The benefits of the program are based on what you personally pay in or qualify for in the case of Medicare.
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 6:53 AM
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at least as some kind of example of socialistic programs...they are examples of forced insurance (by in large). The benefits of the program are based on what you personally pay in or qualify for in the case of Medicare.
Very true and it is why I cringe everytime a Repub steps up to call them entitlements.
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 6:57 AM
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One could call Medicaid and welfare/SNAP entitlements though.
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 9:56 AM
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Maybe a paycheck is an entitlement to a loser like yourself CU17. Now go shake your head rapidly so those 2 living brain cells have a chance to collide thus allowing you to form a thought. Since one is scuffed it will be poorly thought through and drivel but hey do the best you can skippy.
ANY program one must pay in to is not an entitlement , one can even justify living longer as a way of getting ROI .
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 10:28 AM
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An entitlement is something to which you're entitled. If you get paid for work completed (as opposed to in advance), your paycheck is an entitlement. If you pay Clemson for season tickets, those tickets are then an entitlement.
I think you're confusing the connotation of the word used in connection with entitlement programs (positive/neutral connotation) and the connotation used to convey a sense of entitlement (negative).
You're wrong at such a basic level that the dictionary can prove you wrong, but you hurl insults like crazy. I'm cool with calling a spade a spade, but you need to make sure you're right first.
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 10:46 AM
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An entitlement is something you think you're entitled to
which is not earned.
A paycheck is earned by your labor.
Free food, free healthcare, free housing etc. are entitlements.
Social security is paid in by people who work for years.
Retirement benefits are paid in for years of work.
Not everyone pays it in so therefore they are not entitled to get these.
You have to earn them.
See the difference? I doubt you do. You have been misguided your entire life I'll bet.
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 10:47 AM
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You miss the salient point of contributory and non-contributory programs. I fully understand the dictionary definition but there is a distinction made upon how they are funded. SS/Medicare are contributory programs, thus one pays in to a govt. retirement and health program.All while earning zero interest to boot. Welfare/SNAP are non- contributory programs that are funded by the govt. from general tax liabilities and borrowing. Section 8 would also be a non-contributory program, along with WIC.
So if one wants to split hairs according to you all things in life are entitlements, most people draw a line in the sand a bit differently.
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 11:03 AM
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Why would all things be entitlements? Is sleeping with supermodels an entitlement?
Did you just not read the link I posted explaining it?
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You communicate the most irrational conclusions
Mar 9, 2019, 7:08 AM
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on this board. I can not fathom what posion has infested your brain.
Terrorist could use your body as weapon of Mass Destruction.
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Re: You communicate the most irrational conclusions
Mar 9, 2019, 7:35 AM
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What are you going on about?
This post coming from you is freaking hilarious.
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What part of you being an doltish
Mar 9, 2019, 9:36 AM
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do you not understand?
If you work, you get paid. Stop with your millennial-fuckheaded gibberish.
Biting satire is too amazingly clever for you. No wonder you whiff when you see it.
-Doc Tesla
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They are entitlements in budgetary terms...
Mar 7, 2019, 11:31 AM
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an entitlement is anything a person is entitled to under the law. When talking budgets, entitlements are spoken of in terms of expenses/programs that are set by law and can't be changed on the budget, unless the underlying law is changed.
The term entitlement is so often used interchangeably with "welfare" that people have confused the term with "hand out", but that's just simply incorrect.
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 7:26 AM
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Did you just say that forced insurance isn't socialism or a social program?
I ask because Obamacare (also forced insurance) has often been called socialism.
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Re: Those 2 programs are not social programs....
Mar 7, 2019, 7:40 AM
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Did you just say that forced insurance isn't socialism or a social program?
I ask because Obamacare (also forced insurance) has often been called socialism.
Ah, you forget the one thing that makes them different . One must work and pay in to SS to reap any benefit later and it is based upon what you put in to the system. Hardly the same with Obamacare subsidies is it?
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Except for two things...
Mar 7, 2019, 7:44 AM
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you can collect SS without paying into it, and the other program mentioned was Medicare.
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You cannot collect social security retirement benefits...
Mar 7, 2019, 7:50 AM
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without paying into it (granting spouses pay into it indirectly). You can get the SS disability part without paying into it. The disability part of SS is a very small part of the program and why I used the "by in large" disclaimer in my original reply.
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you have to have some work credits to get SS disability
Mar 7, 2019, 8:15 AM
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amount depends on age.
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I don't believe you have to have worked for SSI benefits.***
Mar 7, 2019, 8:42 AM
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Nope...SSI is supplemental security income....
Mar 7, 2019, 9:59 AM
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and I'm 99% you don't have to have worked to qualify.
What you linked is the basic disability insurance, which you do have to have worked to qualify for.
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sorry, you changed Soc Sec benefits, and I didn't keep up.
Mar 7, 2019, 10:30 AM
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I thought you were still saying
"You can get the SS disability part without paying into it."
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I'm tricky like that***
Mar 7, 2019, 11:25 AM
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Re: I don't believe you have to have worked for SSI benefits.***
Mar 7, 2019, 1:13 PM
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Wrong. My mom never drew a paycheck in her life, yet she is getting SS retirement, right now.
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Re: Except for two things...
Mar 7, 2019, 8:27 AM
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Only by using the Spousal benefit( must be at least 62 to use it) which will boost a lower earning spouse up to 50% of the higher earners SS benefit or Survivor Benefit( must be 60 to use or 50 if disabled) based upon money that was actually paid in to the system. SSDI is a totally different issue and yes that would be an entitlement.
Medicare is funded by payroll tax while working and is not free at 65 either. One must pay a premium based upon income.
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By me? I don't think so....
Mar 7, 2019, 7:52 AM
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but Obamacare is more than just forced insurance since it provides insurance or insurance subsidies for those who don't pay.
It also is an expansion of federal government control over private insurance.
Anyways, I don't believe I ever said Obamacare was socialism, but I could be wrong.
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Give me back what i have paid in - lump sum
Mar 7, 2019, 7:22 AM
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then get rid of it - sure. I'm all for that. No more paying that tax would be wonderful.
Message was edited by: HuntClub®
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SS yes. Medicare maybe.***
Mar 7, 2019, 7:26 AM
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Re: For those of you who rail against socialism, serious question.
Mar 7, 2019, 7:35 AM
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Give me back the $550K I put into both, and I'm OK with scrapping them. I'd just buy pvt health insurance.
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Re: For those of you who rail against socialism, serious question.
Mar 7, 2019, 8:34 AM
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since we are going back to the 19th century social policies, maybe we can also allow gun fights in the street again while we are at it. If survival of the fittest is going to be the rule of law, I should be able to shoot people who I do not approve of.
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Re: For those of you who rail against socialism, serious question.
Mar 7, 2019, 8:56 AM
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Just pointing out Balm they will be able to shoot back. Since you have claimed no weapon ownership on other posts thus have no practical experience using a weapon you might not like your own suggestion very much.
SS/Medicare is not an entitlement so I am not really sure what your argument is here. Welfare/SNAP,SSDI(maybe but I do feel society needs to help those mentally/physically unable to work) are entitlements. One could argue that the extended Unemployment checks during the recession were entitlements too.
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Re: For those of you who rail against socialism, serious question.
Mar 7, 2019, 9:02 AM
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thanks the clarification captain literal
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Re: For those of you who rail against socialism, serious question.
Mar 7, 2019, 9:48 AM
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Always glad to help Balm! Would not want you to puff up with bravado at any point and end up taking a dirt nap, you are far too amusing to me .
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Re: For those of you who rail against socialism, serious question.
Mar 7, 2019, 8:53 AM
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They both exists because of zero personal responsibility. If we could trust everyone to make the best decisions, we wouldn’t need social programs. But because people think they have a right to everything, we end up paying for them to die.
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this is rich coming from a guy that drinks like a fish***
Mar 7, 2019, 8:57 AM
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Well, “elimination” is tough. Most Conservatives, I think,
Mar 7, 2019, 8:48 AM
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would favor as little federal government programs as possible. But these programs are clearly counted on by many Americans at this point. So I would welcome a serious review if options to reduce them, but I certainly don’t support, say, a candidate who says he or she would get rid of it on day one.
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Federally run medicare and social security should be
Mar 7, 2019, 3:13 PM
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eradicated.
Socialism should be about local communities owning and managing their own utilities. Socialism should be state governments putting worker protection and consumer protection laws into place.
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Individuals should not be taxed btw.
Mar 7, 2019, 3:20 PM
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Corporations/businesses should be taxed.
Individuals should pay tolls for certain roads or other expensive government infrastructure but taxing income and letting the federal government figure it out is BS.
Also, school should be a private or community thing. Not a department of the federal government.
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No, stop the TAX, which is what
Mar 9, 2019, 9:27 AM
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OASDI, MI is. Let all earners control their own retirement. All getting payments now: pay 'em their remaining balance. Use contributions to UN to help fund it.
Kill the System. Get out of UN. NOW!
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