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Re: For all of you saying that it was not a blm rally
Sep 9, 2020, 12:00 PM
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Yes it was peaceful but it was still supporting blm. It is what it is folks.
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Re: For all of you saying that it was not a blm rally
Sep 9, 2020, 7:00 PM
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I was there, and right above the stage was a black banner with the words Black Lives Matter. Every player on that stage stood underneath it. During Dabo's speech he said and I quote "All lives do not matter until black lives matter" end quote. I will say this I watched Dabo closely and he looked very uncomfortable being there, as did D-Rad, who had a gun stuffed in back of his pants, I don't blame him on that, President C also looked very uncomfortable that day.
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The black lives matter movement and the Black Lives Matter
Sep 9, 2020, 12:05 PM
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Organization are not one in the same. The BLM Organization coopted the name of the movement but you can support the ideals behind black lives matter and not be a member of the so-called organization.
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Re: The black lives matter movement and the Black Lives Matter
Sep 9, 2020, 12:09 PM
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Organization are not one in the same. The BLM Organization coopted the name of the movement but you can support the ideals behind black lives matter and not be a member of the so-called organization.
What are their ideals? Cops are racist or the world is full of racist holding them back?
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Saying that black lives matter too does not explicitly or
Sep 9, 2020, 12:17 PM
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implicitly say that other lives do not matter.
Recognizing that there are systemic disparities in our law enforcement institutions that need to be acknowledged, discussed, and steps taken to remedy does not mean boogie man is coming for your guns or your church or make you a marry a gay person.
As I said below, no one is saying you had an easy life because you're white or that you as a white person didn't have your own obstacles to overcome. It just means that your skin color wasn't an added obstacle for you. That's it.
I heard someone say something on a football podcast one time that really hit home to me about the differences for a black and white person interacting with police:
When you as a white person get blue-lighted driving around, the first thing you start thinking about is: "Ok, how can I get out of a traffic ticket." He said for him as a black person, he has to immediately start thinking: "Ok what do I need to do to make sure I don't get accidentally shot."
I never have to consider being careful in my movements going to get my registration or saying "I have a gun lawfully stored in my glove box and I am not reaching for it" but that's not true of people of color.
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Re: Saying that black lives matter too does not explicitly or
Sep 9, 2020, 12:59 PM
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This is your problem: "Recognizing that there are systemic disparities in our law enforcement institutions that need to be acknowledged..."
You are a victim of propaganda. Statistics (raw data) do not lie and do not care about rationale of why they are what they are...but black per-capita crime is enormous compared to whites. About 5x or larger (have done the calcs before, but do not recall exact figures at the moment).
So, let's go over this. A cop responding to a call involving blacks is 5x (or whatever the number is) more likely to encounter criminal activity (illegal drugs, people with outstanding warrants, guns, etc.). Thus, their pucker factor is higher.
You cannot deny the fact that basic human survival instincts come into play here. And, this is their job - they know what to expect and it happens over and over. Floyd - fentanyl. Prude - PCP. Name all of them and the large majority have criminal records and were on drugs at the wrong time. Anyone responding to 911 calls will be looking the same chit in the face.
Sure, improving police response can always be done. But do not conflate the BLACK CULTURE elements of poverty, crime, and drugs and WHITE CULTURE element of individual responsibility to be systematic racism.
If it exists, systematic racism is due to the Democrats keeping blacks dependent on government.
It sucks that so many people are in the boat they are in within the black community. I feel sorry for them big time, but I do not blame it on systemic racism by any stretch.
The proof will come in a decade after the woke movement figures out their efforts have resulted in no change.
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I've worked as both a prosecutor and now a defense
Sep 9, 2020, 1:06 PM
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attorney so when I say that I'm speaking from personal experience in the criminal justice system, not propaganda. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Black people are a minority population so by definition you
Sep 9, 2020, 1:12 PM
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cannot just compare the straight numbers, you have to adjust per capita.
Here's what the WaPo actually said:
"U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/
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I think you have to go deeper than per capita shot
Sep 9, 2020, 2:21 PM
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you'd have to also analyze per capita of "wrong doers" or "violent crimes committed" (pick your category) that trigger these shooting situations (no pun intended).
the obvious "hope" would be that the per capita shootings aligned somewhat with the per capita "wrong doers, violent crimes, etc....".......and I'm not familiar with any of those numbers, but I'd be curious as to what they were.
Exaggerated example for illustration purposes
if 50 whites were shot w/ a white population of 1000000 and 70 wrong doers that's 71% of wrong doers shot.....but a wrong doer ratio of .007%
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if 50 blacks were shot w/ a black population of 200000 and 100 wrong doers that's 50% of wrong doers shot......but a wrong doer ratio of .05%
again this is exaggerated, but would be curious of the real numbers & ratios
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The problem is, many of us would argue the "wrongdoers" is
Sep 9, 2020, 2:44 PM
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a chicken-or-egg argument. It's a fact that arrest rates are statistically higher in the black community. Does that mean that black people are more likely to be "wrongdoers"? Some of you seem to think so. If you truly believe that, then congratulations, you are a true racist. Or does it mean there are systemic disparities in our institutions that create this anomaly?
The stat cited in that quote from the article is unarmed people shot by cops--so you can say none of them were "wrongdoers" in the sense that the police had a legal justification to use deadly force.
And then what would you classify as a "wrongdoer"--if you are shot by the police and also have drugs in your possession, that's not relevant the reason you were shot--not in a strictly legal sense of when officers are legally entitled use deadly force. And then you're making a judgment call on the "wronging" that inherently manipulates what should just be statistics.
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Stat 1: Equal numbers of unarmed whites/blacks get shot
Sep 9, 2020, 2:57 PM
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by the police
Stat 2: Blacks make up only 6% of the population, so (Stat 1) implies a bias
Stat 3: Blacks (6% of the population) commit 30% of the homicides in the US, so maybe (Stat 1) doesn't imply as much of a bias...
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first and foremost be careful how you throw around.......
Sep 9, 2020, 3:03 PM
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"some of "YOU""
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were talking about "some on this board" and not ME.
now to your question.....does that mean that black people are more likely to be "wrongdoers"?........that's what I'm asking. As stated I have no idea of the numbers, what I'm saying is that you can't stop at 50 whites shot and 50 blacks shot, you also can't stop at per capita shot........the answer likely lies way deeper into the numbers.
second question of systemic disparities creating these anomalies?.......I'm sure there is an amount of this going on as well, but I don't think it's an "either/or" matter........again, I don't know the numbers.
third question regarding the term "wrong doer"..........I'm refering to that as a "label" not a whether you should or shouldn't be shot. Pick your "category" or word that best suits you, it was a title used in a statistical example of how numbers/statistics can be read.....not a formal definitive term.
lastly just to reiterate my EXAGGERATED example was just to point out there could be a larger percentage of white "wrongdoers" (or whatever term you'd prefer) shot, even if there were a larger per capita of black "wrongdoers"......OR OR OR vice versa???...???.......the point is I don't KNOW the numbers and until somebody does it's difficult to cast a broad statement of Blacks commit more crimes or Whites commit more crimes or Chinese commit more crimes, etc......
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See "joeyb's" response above to see who I meant by "some of
Sep 9, 2020, 3:38 PM
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A movement by definition does not have a website. That's my
Sep 9, 2020, 12:18 PM
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point. The fact that you cannot distinguish the difference is the problem.
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Re: A movement by definition does not have a website. That's my
Sep 9, 2020, 12:20 PM
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Exactly where do you think the black lives matter slogan came from? Research much?
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What? The movement and the slogan absolutely predate any
Sep 9, 2020, 12:23 PM
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organized grassroots group. How do you still not understand this?
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Re: The black lives matter movement and the Black Lives Matter
Sep 9, 2020, 1:05 PM
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Hey 74. Ur correct and they will never change their mind. This entire blm/antifa social “protest” is following exactly the anarchist/marxist handbook of revolution. They accuse whites of being nazis. Please do some research on the rise of national socialist party in Germany in the 1920s.
You will recognize what was going on.
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Cause Trevor Lawrence was hogging all of them!***
Sep 9, 2020, 12:18 PM
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BOOM. Irrefutable evidence.
Sep 9, 2020, 12:12 PM
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Renounce your fandom, delete your tnet account, and stop supporting Clemson. DONE. And take about 100 other posters with you. Put up or shut up.
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Re: BOOM. Irrefutable evidence.
Sep 9, 2020, 12:23 PM
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I think you have it backwards. I will bet you more people are with me on this site than are with your blm. They are just too scared to speak up. You know kinda like Trump supporters that will show up when it matters.Keep thinking you are the majority and there will not be a Clemson for much longer. As for my support I have always supported my tigers but I will not under any circumstances support a team or school that supports this nonsense. I have stated i will give them a chance Saturday night and if blm shows up I will be gone. You can believe that.
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Am I the only racist?
Sep 9, 2020, 12:24 PM
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No everybody else is just scared to be openly racist.
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Re: Am I the only racist?
Sep 9, 2020, 12:29 PM
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I am not racist. Love how you label someone with that word. You know nothing about me. I have more black friends than white friends and they don't buy into this bs either. I have never hated anyone in my life but when these blm idiots walk around saying #### white people and all of you are fine with it that is where I have a problem. So you all can take your racist, marxist,terrorist supporting ideas and shove them up your asses.Also when Clemson university goes under remember you were warned.Get woke go broke. Enjoy the blm season.
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Wow, two for one
Sep 9, 2020, 12:32 PM
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pulled the "I have plenty of black friends" card and double down on "I don't hate anybody but let me list the people I hate"
Bravo.
Please remove yourself from anything Clemson. We don't want nor need your backwoods inbred ideology.
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Re: Wow, two for one
Sep 15, 2020, 9:35 PM
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I will do what I please and you do what you please. You are an ### hat.
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This is great. Maybe I shouldn't enjoy the musings of
Sep 9, 2020, 12:33 PM
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someone that is bipolar though.
Just today:
BLM rioters are coming to a neighborhood near you. Buy guns.
Clemson is going under.
You don't agree with me, you love the BLM organization.
Fantastic. Absolutely great.
Tell your black friends your tnet handle, and let them read your post history. Bet you won't!
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Waste of time, but I'll set the record straight.
Sep 9, 2020, 12:29 PM
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I do not support the organization BLM.
I do understand the difference between a slogan and an organization.
I also understand the slogan predates the organization.
I don't give one single #### about what message shows up on any jersey.
I do think it's ok to create awareness around racial equality.
I do hope BLM is splattered all over your TV on Saturday, and that you stop supporting Clemson and delete your Tnet account. You know, so you'll have more time to buy ammo.
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Spoken like someone truly on the wrong side of history.
Sep 9, 2020, 12:30 PM
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Hard not to read this coming from someone in 1864 or 1963...
Please, renounce your fandom over being a butthurt snowflake. Good riddance.
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How bout we give it a rest....
Sep 9, 2020, 12:13 PM
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Why do we need 150 posts about the same darn crap?
Not really directed at you Whitehurst.....I have just had enough. Talk about this in the same post. Why do we have to have a million new threads?
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