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Re: Fla. GOP candidate says not to
Aug 29, 2018, 3:09 PM
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I might be able to let him slide if not for also calling Gillum "articulate."
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just curious-was it ok when joe biden called obama
Aug 29, 2018, 6:27 PM
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clean and articulate
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Good Lord, it's a common, completely innocuous phrase.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:14 PM
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Has zero to do with race and he was talking about not effing up the trajectory the state was on.
I don't know either of these cats (hopefully cat isn't an ethnic slur) so I'm not defending anyone based on their merits, just taking a little exception to the grasping at straws to make anything and everything racist.
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I have literally never heard anyone use that phrase
Aug 29, 2018, 3:16 PM
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before that I can recall. I have heard the phrase "Monkey with it"
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Maybe it's regional or something, but I've heard it a lot
Aug 29, 2018, 3:18 PM
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and in every case it just meant don't screw something up, and I've never heard it mentioned with racist undertones. Saying that phrase is racist is like saying someone saying something is a "barrel of monkeys" is racist.
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Re: Do you actually think he meant anything racial?
Aug 29, 2018, 3:20 PM
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He also called him articulate. You can't possibly not know the history of whites calling blacks articulate, as if it's some surprise when one of them speaks well.
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LOL.....
Aug 29, 2018, 3:23 PM
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A Chris Rock stand-up routine from the 90's is now "history".
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Re: LOL.....
Aug 29, 2018, 3:30 PM
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Serious question... When black people say something is offensive and you respond dismissively, do you understand why you can be perceived as racist?
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Serious question: When time after time, your ideological
Aug 29, 2018, 3:32 PM
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peers, as a matter of strategy, manufacture reasons for people to be offended, do you understand why no one takes you seriously?
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Put that in context
Aug 29, 2018, 3:24 PM
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Just randomly calling a black person "articulate" out of the blue as if it's a surprise that a black person is articulate is dumb.
But many people of all races really aren't very articulate, and many black people (and white people) are superlatively articulate. White people in politics are frequently called things like "articulate" to point out that they're good at getting their message across. What if a black person is also particularly good at that? At some point, we have to get past this thing where everything is presumed to be coded.
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It's probably your youth and sophisticated upbringing.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:28 PM
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That was a fairly common phrase in TN among the poor during my youth.
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Lot o points [155707]
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Let's look at the assumptions that have to be made to
Aug 29, 2018, 3:21 PM
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feel good about that conclusion.
We have a guy, who presumably wants to win the Florida governor's race, and just took a major, major (and unexpected step forward) towards accomplishing that goal.
Do we really think that in one of his first speeches after that milestone, he thinks in his heart "You know, it would be a great strategy to say something racist about my opponent."
It's the most illogical assumption ever and requires so much confirmation bias to believe it that it's not funny.
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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I tend to believe the result of the polls which showed...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:32 PM
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the socialist won only 1/3rd of the democratic vote caused his supporters on the national stage to start playing the race card since his win was slight against a very moderate opponent. That ignores the fact that the Trump backed GOP candidate got twice the number of votes as his challenger and three times the votes as the socialist.
Maybe I'm working to hard to explain this stupid chit.
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You've really gone off the partisan deep end***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:28 PM
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Welp, you don't know me from the next guy.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:30 PM
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And this post would hardly give you enough evidence to make such a claim. Dude's a Trumpie and they've been great at blowing those whistles.
Should I say you've gone off the Trumpie deep end for defending him? No? That's absurd, you say?
Well, there you go.
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Mostly because your posts have become more unreasonable
Aug 29, 2018, 3:32 PM
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You've even done some conspiracy theorizing. Now it's "dog whistles."
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Man, I've liked conspiracies for a long, long time.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:34 PM
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JFK? CIA did it.
We're living in a simulation.
New Coke was just a grand marketing scheme.
But I stay away from those 9/11 ones.
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I think the best policy is...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:42 PM
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to try to have some charity when it comes to things people say who disagree with you. I've found that people who frequently don't do that are just trying to win arguments, and don't really care all that much about what was meant or what's being talked about. That uncharitable, rhetorically competitive attitude is one of the things keeping politics from being substantive.
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But when one is in the public spotlight...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:47 PM
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Particularly politics, choosing your words carefully so as not to create a perception of intent is rather important. Communication is not what is intended, but what is perceived. And if you're opponent is a black man, it might be wise to take extra steps not to reference monkeys or apes when discussing him in a negative life, no matter how simple it may be.
Unfair? Maybe. Ridiculous? Perhaps. But if a man getting excited and screaming on stage (Howard Dean) is enough to make the public turn on him, then it's suggested that others choose their words wisely.
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umm...yeah....might be time to push back from the....
Aug 29, 2018, 3:30 PM
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keyboard and get some fresh air.
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I do, man. I do. Maybe a beer too?***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:32 PM
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Re: I do, man. I do. Maybe a beer too?***
Aug 29, 2018, 4:18 PM
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I think you’ve had enough of those.
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If a white person mentions animals at all...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:18 PM
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and they aren't referring specifically to an animal, we all know that's racist. It's just a good thing he didn't talk about guerrilla warfare.
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Re: I think I might have lost the crown as lunge racist...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:26 PM
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Yeah, well. That ain't why I divorced my Sioux squaw.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:36 PM
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Sorry about leaving this picture off my previous post. I have suffered prematurepostulation for decades. Anyway, to reiterate your point...
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This thread makes me wonder if I'm unwittingly rassist.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:53 PM
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Since my favorite saying when I see an ignorant yet humourous malfunctioning attempt to solve a problem is "Its like a monkey ####### a football".
What about "two rats ####### in a wool sock" to describe a heat wave? Is that a slur against italian folks who talk about the mafia?
The hell with it. Imma do me, everyone else can get offended if they want.
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Didn't you recently point out some mangers talking about KB?
Aug 29, 2018, 3:55 PM
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on a front page story? You chuckled at how fast they went to the "well spoken" statement or something like that? What's the difference between the two situations?
(If it was a different poster who pointed out that "phrasing" then ignore the question.)
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I did, because it was like "derr herr he is so well spoken".
Aug 29, 2018, 4:23 PM
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The context here was saying he was an articulate spokesman for socialism.
It's nothing like "look everyone a black man who doesn't sound like Mushmouth on Fat Albert!".
It was akin to calling someone a silver tongued devil, stating that he could speak on the topic of socialism and make it sound appealing.
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but the words used informs the context it's used in
Aug 29, 2018, 4:36 PM
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the fact there were other choices he could have used (like "silver tongued devil") points to a question of why that specific descriptor (especially when he also used words like "articulate") was used, does it not?
And just to play devil's advocate, couldn't the context with KB and the poster that mentioned him being well spoken also have the context that typically football players/athletes as a whole have the stereotype of being inarticulate (no matter their race)?
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We are dissecting (into the ground, it seems) a singular
Aug 29, 2018, 5:05 PM
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adjective..."articulate". The words surrounding it define the context in which it's used. "he is an articulate spokesman for those far-left views".
It's completely different from "He's an articulate guy", "for those far-left views" is just as important a modifier to the sentence as "articulate"--they go hand in hand.
As for using "silver tongued devil", I think we both know that if he had used that we'd be sitting here debating whether he had called a black man the devil. When you're dammmed if you do and dammmed if you don't, it's sort of silly to debate better alternatives.
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It appears to not be the case here, though.
Aug 29, 2018, 4:00 PM
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He also called Gillum "articulate". You can only drop so many of these before you can't claim that it's not intentional. A guy on another Clemson board knows DeSantis (or at least met him a few times and had dinner with him), and said he's a really smart guy and was a rising star (in his opinion), but that there's simply no way he doesn't KNOW what he's saying in these two instances.
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Wait. Wait. Hold on just a minute.
Aug 29, 2018, 4:05 PM
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You're telling me there's another Clemson board where people argue politics?
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Yes.
Aug 29, 2018, 4:07 PM
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It sucks there, too.
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Well if a guy on another board I'm not aware of who knows
Aug 29, 2018, 4:25 PM
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a guy who had dinner with him said he's being racist, I'm not gonna argue.
Read the sentence again....and read my reply to deweather about this...it was nothing like "this black guy is sooooo well spoken".
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Super weak sauce
Aug 29, 2018, 5:53 PM
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Smart people can say things that other people can interpret as somehow racist by being uncharitable, without themselves having any kind of racial intent.
This is just partisan nonsense.
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Re: Fla. GOP candidate says not to "monkey this up..."
Aug 29, 2018, 3:26 PM
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It's so convenient that white people get to decide that the stuff they say just isn't offensive.
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I'm offended that you just generalized white people like
Aug 29, 2018, 3:29 PM
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that.
What's your course correction and/or punishment going to be?
I mean, it is MY call if you were just offensive or not.
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Re: I'm offended that you just generalized white people like
Aug 29, 2018, 3:32 PM
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Language has not historically been used, nor is it currently used, to oppress you or people who look like you.
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I'm sorry, have we met?***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:33 PM
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Re: I'm sorry, have we met?***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:34 PM
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Uh... You said you're white. If something said about white people applies to you, that makes you either white or stupid.
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I did? Where?***
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This is the strangest thread I've seen in a while.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:42 PM
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I expect he'll ask why you aren't in the lower 40 this time of year bringing in his cotton crop.
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If I'd have effed up that badly...
Aug 29, 2018, 4:08 PM
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it would be all over twitter and I'd get tmails telling me to simma down. Don't ask how I know.
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I guess you really have to want it...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:29 PM
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to find racism in that.
That's a pretty commonly used phrase...in fact I used it this morning in a meeting.
Reading in the context of his statement and I think it's a juge stretch to call that racist.
"We've got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction and to build off the success we've had on Gov. Scott," DeSantis said during an interview with Fox News on Wednesday morning. "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not gonna work. That is not going to be good for Florida."
"Well, look, I mean this is it, Florida elections are always competitive," he said. "This is a guy who, although he's much too liberal for Florida, I think he's got huge problems on how he's governed Tallahassee, he is an articulate spokesman for those far left views."
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In that context, he wasn't even referring to the candidate***
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Boys. Boys.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:31 PM
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We can argue all day long about the intent of "monkey this up," but stop pretending this is a commonly used phrase. Unless y'all are spending all day playing spades in the nursing home.
Ain't nobody under 80 using that term.
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47 and used it today....
Aug 29, 2018, 3:33 PM
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have you considered that just because you haven't heard it much....it might still be a common phrase?
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Can I be your bridge partner?***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:36 PM
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Sorry, I'm straight***
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You've gotta just stop this "I'm right, you're wrong or you
Aug 29, 2018, 3:35 PM
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are lying" debate strategy." Besides being ineffective, it's about the smuggest thing going on T-net today.
Yes, I hear it 2-3 times a month, every month. It's common. Because you don't, doesn't mean I don't.
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My favorite posts on Tigernet...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:37 PM
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Are the ones where people take a facetious post too seriously.
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Usually my meter works, but you've got precedent on your
Aug 29, 2018, 3:40 PM
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side with said strategy. With that said, apologies if it failed me this time.
And yes, I'm 43 going on 80 anyway.
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Every single person on this particular board...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:43 PM
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Thinks they're right and the others are wrong.
It's just as that many of them won't admit they feel that way, and they just accuse other of doing that. You're one of them. I mean, you seem like a pretty good dude, but stop pretending you don't sling around the self-righteous rhetoric on here as well.
Hell, we all do it. Most of y'all just won't admit to it.
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WRONG***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:44 PM
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On matters of opinion? Yeah, we're all pontificating....we
Aug 29, 2018, 4:04 PM
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aren't changing anyone's minds---we're repressed debate team nerds from high school.
On matters of fact? Different story, at least speaking for me. I learn a lot on here, and in doing so I also learn that a lot of what I thought I knew was partially or fully inaccurate. Besides being pretty enlightening, if your facts are wrong often enough, it can lead to some opinions being changed as well.
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Re: On matters of opinion? Yeah, we're all pontificating....we
Aug 29, 2018, 4:07 PM
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We're repressed debate team nerds from high school.
We gotta remember that one. That's perfect for this board.
On matters of fact? Different story, at least speaking for me. I learn a lot on here, and in doing so I also learn that a lot of what I thought I knew was partially or fully inaccurate. Besides being pretty enlightening, if your facts are wrong often enough, it can lead to some opinions being changed as well.
I learn a lot on here as well. Have learned a lot. And have had my mind changed many times (not just on P&R but on the Mange as well, although I don't post there any more). Is there really anyone on here who hasn't?
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There are a few I can think of who haven't.
Aug 29, 2018, 4:08 PM
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They're usually shouting the loudest.
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Just because...
Aug 29, 2018, 4:09 PM
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They don't post it or acknowledge it doesn't mean they haven't. Nobody objects in every thread they read.
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Re: Fla. GOP candidate says not to "monkey this up..."
Aug 29, 2018, 3:34 PM
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Well according to Darwin’s theory of evolution African Americans are the missing link between man and ape, so based on scientific facts he may just monkey it up....
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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I wouldn't call it scientific fact due to the obscured...
Aug 30, 2018, 7:53 AM
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truth that Darwin used the 'blacks are the missing link,'to appeal to the global racism among the scientific community and 'intellectual elite,' who legitimized the theory. That foundation was the primary reason I rejected the theory. It wasn't scientific it appealed to vanity of the fair skinned but not to this ignorant child.
Perhaps some poor were so racist they knew no bounds but I grew up interacting with 'colored,' or 'black,'* families and while a few of us behaved at times like animals we were all normal human children. I never understood how anyone could think otherwise and I still hate Darwin's theory from my deep seated prejudices.
* Those terms in quotes were considered socially polite and non-insulting by all races at the time. So also was the term Negro at that time, until 'I'm black and I'm proud,' became popular.
History will fade with my generation and I fear those truths will be lost forever.
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Re: Fla. GOP candidate says not to "monkey this up..."
Aug 29, 2018, 3:35 PM
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Absolutely everything to a lib is seen through the prism of racism, sexism or some other phobia held only by white people! Every - frickin'- thing!!!!
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Re: Fla. GOP candidate says not to "monkey this up..."
Aug 29, 2018, 3:37 PM
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Maybe there are just lots of racists?
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Re: Fla. GOP candidate says not to "monkey this up..."
Aug 29, 2018, 3:39 PM
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I swear, if Kirby Smart and every other coach who recruits against Clemson doesn't read this board and print out threads like this, they're morons.
This board has a problem and it reflects very poorly on Clemson.
To any lurkers, I'd like to point out that I've been a fan 36 years and can assure you, Clemson fans are not racist at the rate this forum suggests. Most of them are great people.
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Counter....I can assure anyone looking at this site...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:43 PM
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and reading CU17's posts...that most Clemson fans have some common sense. He is an outlier.
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Re: Counter....I can assure anyone looking at this site...
Aug 29, 2018, 3:47 PM
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You honestly think that minority readers of this site would agree with you and not me?
Look, white people aren't expected to know everything that's offensive to every minority. Slipping and using some word you didn't know the context of can happen.
Not knowing that you potentially hurt someone is not racist. Not caring is.
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What do you call manufacturing hurt for political use?***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:48 PM
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Re: What do you call manufacturing hurt for political use?***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:53 PM
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The guy used two words that were considered racially insensitive before today. This wasn't invented today.
I promise you I can find you many articles before today that cite those words as racially insensitive.
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"context"....look it up***
Aug 29, 2018, 3:57 PM
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hole up a minute....
Aug 29, 2018, 3:57 PM
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that's just feel good PC BS.
It should be clear to any reasonable person that he was using a turn of phrase and not calling anyone a monkey. Now...if you're looking for ways to be offended and have bought in that every person holding different political views than you do IS a racist (which we're hearing a lot these days) then all bets are off.
To me, it's quite concerning that someone what read his entire statement and racism even come into their heads.
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Re: hole up a minute....
Aug 29, 2018, 3:59 PM
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I've said repeatedly that the monkey thing alone may not have been a big deal. But then add articulate and it makes me not want to give the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it was poor phrasing, but if it happens twice in one interview, he's gonna have a rough time.
And I've never said everyone I disagree with is racist. I said people who couldn't care less if they're being racist are racist.
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wow....ok....good luck to ya....
Aug 29, 2018, 4:11 PM
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seriously you're in the weeds here.
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Stop this stupid chit.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:45 PM
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At one time it was a form of tomfoolery by adults acting like urchins or rapscallions.
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Ah ha! A 1952 movie!
Aug 29, 2018, 3:48 PM
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Bunch of terms used by you old people. Go watch your TCM.
(Confession: I like TCM.)
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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That was common long before and long after 1952.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:55 PM
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I was born in 1952 and the term was old school but having learned to read in from a woman born in the late 1800s I got a thorough education in old school. I also respect my greatgrandparents and grandparents above that which I had for my parents and my love for them was why.
I've worn TCM out.
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Re: Fla. GOP candidate says not to "monkey this up..."
Aug 29, 2018, 4:11 PM
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He wasn't comparing his opponent to a monkey nor was he calling his opponent anything. It wasn't in that context.
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And so it begins
Aug 29, 2018, 4:12 PM
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Not racist at all, just stupid.***
Aug 29, 2018, 4:19 PM
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Not even that....but ripe for people looking to be...
Aug 29, 2018, 4:36 PM
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offended.
But this one requires an especially high level of creativity.
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Stop it already. Nothing wrong, offensive, stupid,
Aug 29, 2018, 5:26 PM
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insensitive, or out of touch by that at all, unless you are desperately grasping for something to be offended, hurt, or pi$$ed off about. And just so you understand, nobody was comparing black people to monkeys.
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Doubt he had a racist thought when uttering those words...
Aug 30, 2018, 7:33 AM
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But he should still apologize, and if he does, the incident should be forgiven and forgotten.
Idle words matter.
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I also think the opponent
Aug 30, 2018, 7:49 AM
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should publicly say that he doesn't think the comment was racist, and that he's focusing on the issues.
Both this statement and the apology should happen. How wonderful it would be if political opponents were gracious to each other!
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He called it a 'dog whistle.'
Aug 30, 2018, 7:57 AM
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I don't know what that means but it has what sounds like half the country ready to bear arms.
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The phrase "dog whistle" means that
Aug 30, 2018, 8:13 AM
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the phrase is meant to signal something to a certain group of people, who have distinct ability to recognize the signal (like how a dog whistle is heard by a dog, but not humans).
In this context, the it is usually talking about a phrase being a signal to racists or white supremacists, who inherently understand an underhand message he is trying to send.
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And that certainly does not apply here.
Aug 30, 2018, 11:31 AM
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DeSantis was sending no such signal to anybody. The claim that it was a dog whistle is totally false, and was made with the intent of doing harm unjustly. DeSantis is only guilty of failing to recognize ridiculous and ever changing PC rules that are based on an ever-changing set of politically driven emotions.
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I agree, however I will say...
Aug 30, 2018, 11:37 AM
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I feel that many people are so "anti-PC" now that they forget to be nice. Much of what people describe as being "PC" is really just speaking graciously.
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Manners left the building with Elvis.
Aug 30, 2018, 12:14 PM
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Polite folks are more and more obscure. It's not believed that being polite is practical in this country anymore. I have great respect for those who can hold a conversation without being rude. This place will end one's civility if one hangs out here. You've held out longer than anyone. I respect that.
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I don't disagree that we'd all be much better off if
Aug 30, 2018, 12:33 PM
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we'd just be nice and respectful to each other, and I agree an "anti PC" mentality has developed with many, which is sometimes counterproductive. In this instance though, I don't see how DeSantis was being mean, hateful, or disrespectful.
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I don't think so, either, I was just on a little tangent.
Aug 30, 2018, 1:52 PM
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But regardless of intent, I do think it would be good of him to apologize, because his words did cause offense.
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We are at the point where the very existence of some folks
Aug 30, 2018, 3:09 PM
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is deemed offensive by some. People should not have to apologize, or feel compelled to do so, when no disrespect is intended or harm caused. When that is the case, those demanding or expecting apologies are the problem, and should not be cow-towed to, as doing so only encourages them to be more and more hateful and disrespectful themselves.
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No, he doesn't have to apologize.
Aug 30, 2018, 4:11 PM
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That's the whole point. Do it, even though he doesn't have to, because it's a kind thing to do.
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One of the misconceptions about apologizing...
Aug 30, 2018, 4:13 PM
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Is that doing something wrong is a prerequisite for it. Refusing to apologize because I didn't do something wrong is just another way of saying "I'm more important than that person."
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I respect what you are saying, and I agree that simply
Aug 30, 2018, 4:35 PM
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being nice and being civil to each other is a big part of the solution. However, refusing to be bullied into accepting nonsense is sometimes necessary, and a good thing. Pretending to go along by apologizing only leads to more bullying.
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At most he's guilty of not being particularly
Aug 30, 2018, 4:25 PM
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savvy in the current PC climate, but I don't think he can be considered insensitive when what he said was totally innocuous in his mind, and in the mind of anyone that is not looking for a reason to be offended.
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