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All-In [25381]
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FELLOW CLEMSON FRIENDS....Say what you want
Oct 21, 2012, 8:21 AM
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about our conference, our schedule, our coach, our team or our fans, but I'll say this: in all the nearly 50 years of my devotion to Clemson and the Clemson family my pride literally brought this older grad to tears yesterday, when I saw over 80,000 people standing, clapping and cheering to the top of their voices when Daniel led our men down The Hill with Old Glory waving mightily for all of America to see! D@mn...I am proud of Clemson and our family....
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That I was very proud of****
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I also was proud of that moment.
Oct 21, 2012, 2:57 PM
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I wasn't at the game therefore I didn't hear the boo's.
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How did you feel when those same fans booed the
Oct 21, 2012, 9:06 AM
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President of the United States?
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Orange Blooded [4521]
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Give it a rest already...
Oct 21, 2012, 9:18 AM
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This man is talking about being proud...
TD, you earned it.
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Fine--I was just trying to get him to further explain. All
Oct 21, 2012, 12:57 PM
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that patriotism, the bands formed the outline of the country, we had a flyover...great. And we booed the president. Classless.
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110%er [7831]
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Personally I don't feel patriotic about a POTUS
Oct 21, 2012, 3:45 PM
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that is a Socialist......it goes it against everything I believe to be AMERICAN.
That said....I agree with the original poster......the entire ceremony brought chills to me
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CU Guru [1535]
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I would ask you for concrete evidence that he's a
Oct 21, 2012, 4:26 PM
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Socialist, but I don't want to you waste your evening fruitlessly scouring the Internet for Hannity quotes. All I say is that you're not patriotic AT ALL if you boo the President of the United States on a day in which we were supposed to be honoring America's military. There's nothing you can say to refute that. How would you feel had the members of the audience who are upset we're still in Afghanistan booed those members of the military who were introduced?
C'mon--you don't have a patriotic bone in your body if you think what happened yesterday was some sort of exercise in free speech.
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110%er [7831]
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If his long list of associates with Socialist ties and
Oct 21, 2012, 6:10 PM
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agendas is not enough.......you go to hannity. Or you can go to MSNBC for your information.
What I think about the boos is irrelevant.......but we do live in a free country. We are afford that freedom no matter how distasteful it may be in some peoples opionion. and the soldiers weren't booed. The liberals changed their tacktics toward soldiers in unpoplar wars.
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Orange Blooded [2340]
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I don't want to get into a political argument here, and I'm
Oct 21, 2012, 4:41 PM
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far from an Obama supporter. I'm not voting for him in the upcoming election. However, the same tired argument calling him a socialist is ridiculous and untrue. The Socialist Party of America certainly doesn't claim him as one of their own. They are on the record saying that he is far too moderate and to the extreme right of their party platform.
Just because Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck said it on talk radio doesn't make it true. It's certainly not very American to be a socialist, but calling someone something that is blatantly false doesn't make your argument any stronger. It's okay to be critical of a politician. It's not okay to make up lies and baseless classifications in order to do that.
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110%er [7831]
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He's has a socialist agenda, go read up on one of
Oct 21, 2012, 6:12 PM
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his mentors....
Ayers.
Just because he isn't on the socialist party ticket doesn't mean he doesn't have a socialist agenda
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Orange Blooded [2340]
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A true socialist agenda would entail the elimination
Oct 21, 2012, 6:16 PM
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of all private property and turning it over to the government. Unless I've missed something completely, he's never been a proponent of eliminating private property.
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Oh geez.....facist....... oligarchy?***
Oct 21, 2012, 6:21 PM
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Orange Blooded [2340]
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Re: Oh geez.....facist....... oligarchy?***
Oct 21, 2012, 6:26 PM
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Fascism is a right wing ideology. It is the complete opposite of socialism on the political spectrum. A fascist oligarchy is what left wing extremists accused Reagan of trying to turn America into in the 1980's. That is completely different from Obama.
You let the fact that Obama promotes socialized medicine equate to him being a socialist.
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110%er [7831]
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I can read thank you.
Oct 21, 2012, 6:37 PM
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You will never make me see your point and I will never see yours.
Bye
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You can't just equate Obama and his agenda to
Oct 21, 2012, 6:19 PM
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Bill Ayers. That would be like saying that because President H.W. Bush had ties to Saddam Hussein in the 1980's then he is a proponent of chemical warfare against his own citizens.
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110%er [7831]
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How about "his" preacher? Wright? That man is a racist
Oct 21, 2012, 6:22 PM
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......Is Obama a christian or a Muslim? He changes his tune to what suits the moment
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Re: How about "his" preacher? Wright? That man is a racist
Oct 21, 2012, 6:28 PM
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I agree. Jeremiah Wright is clearly a racist.
When exactly has Obama been a Muslim?? I'm sure you can find instances of where people have called him a Muslim. However, the only evidence they have to support their claim is where he went to school when he lived in the Islamic nation of Indonesia.
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Actually he slipped up and said it himself. Google it.***
Oct 22, 2012, 4:30 PM
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Orange Blooded [2340]
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Re: Guilt by association......the law uses that one all the time***
Oct 21, 2012, 6:40 PM
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Just because you associate with someone doesn't make you guilty of the same things that they are. The law sometimes considers the hand of one to be the hand of all. But that is only in circumstances where someone is in some way aiding the person committing the crime in their criminal activity. If I have someone in my family that is a criminal and I have Thanksgiving dinner with them, that doesn't make me a criminal. Also, if someone who is a member of my church uses marijuana regularly, I'm also not guilty of any crime.
President Bush had business ties to the Bin Laden family. I know that Bin Laden's family cut ties with Osama decades ago. However, if people are guitly by association,then the Bin Laden family is guilty of terrorism. By the transitive property, does that make President Bush a terrorist?
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Re: Guilt by association......the law uses that one all the time***
Oct 22, 2012, 10:00 AM
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Then why has he been wearing a ring that states "No God but Allah" for years?
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Those that are upset about the booing of Obama fall
Oct 21, 2012, 9:30 AM
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into two camps. The first believes that no matter who holds the office it deserves respect and in a situation like yesterday politics should be set aside. This is an honorable position. The second group is a bunch of sychophants who worship Obama and believe he is a God. This group believes any critism of their god is not just blasphamy but racist. They are the ones who booed Bush when he was president, called him a Nazi and would just as soon spit on our military men and women as look at them. Which group do you belong to?
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I belong to the group that doesn't boo the president, no
Oct 21, 2012, 1:00 PM
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matter who he is and no matter my ideology. I also belong to the group that thinks a fair number of booers find our current president objectionable because of the color of his skin. And I would say it's naive to suggest otherwise.
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Are you talking about the President who is half white?
Oct 21, 2012, 1:31 PM
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I belong to the crowd that supports free speech. The timing of the boos may not have been ideal, but our freedom to speak out is one of the things that makes this country great. I did not boo myself - just not my style. But don't make this out to be anything bigger than it is.
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So you think Obama gets a fair shake in the South? You
Oct 21, 2012, 4:21 PM
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think there's NOBODY who booed yesterday because he's black? But yet you bring up his "half-white"ness.
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Re: So you think Obama gets a fair shake in the South? You
Oct 21, 2012, 4:30 PM
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there probably was a few boo's because of his color, just like bush and all the other past presidents were sometimes boo'ed 'cause of their color. i personnaly think obama was /is chastised more for his warm feelings toward many muslim countries that are unfriendly towards the u.s..than because of his color. the race card is played too often, and too easily.
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So you'd rather just repeat of-told stories about how Obama
Oct 21, 2012, 4:54 PM
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befriends Muslim countries to justify your hatred. Whatever.
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Re: So you'd rather just repeat of-told stories about how Obama
Oct 21, 2012, 5:10 PM
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who hates? no, i didn't vote for him, and i won't this election. it has nothing whatsoever to do with his color. condy rice or collin powell would be good choices,imo, if you want an african-american president. i just want whomever is best for america, and again,imo, it's not obama.
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Really?
Oct 21, 2012, 6:03 PM
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You think President Bush got unfairly criticized because of his color in the same way that Obama is criticized for his? That's crazy. The amount of racism toward white people is no where near the level of racism toward black people. Even if the percentage of people of other races who criticize were the same, the total amount of racism would never be the same because white people make up the vast majority of the population.
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Re: Really?
Oct 21, 2012, 6:09 PM
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no, he probably wasn't criticized, as much, what i am saying is that some people of all races discriminate, not just whites. but all i hear is if you don't like obama, it's not because of his policies,it's because of his color, and that is total b.s..
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Oh okay. I agree.
Oct 21, 2012, 6:33 PM
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There are certainly people that hide behind criticism of his policies to mask their racism, but I agree that there are plenty of people that are unfairly categorized as racist just because they are critical of his policies.
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Dear World--I'm sorry for being an ignorant redneck
Oct 21, 2012, 4:56 PM
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who can't see past the yard of my own trailer to the rest of the world.
Yours truly,
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I belong to the first group.
Oct 22, 2012, 8:28 AM
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I thought it was terrible, and classless when Bush was booed, and I think the same thing about Obama being booed. It is embarrassing. If you don't like the president then vote for the other guy, but I for one am tired of all the hatred towards our DEMOCRATICALLY elected president and anyone who supports him. That goes for both parties.
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I wonder how D. Rod felt about it.
Oct 22, 2012, 8:46 AM
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I wonder who he supports for president? What if he supports Obama? Do we take back our cheers for him?
There are members of the military who support the president. Even if they don't support him politically, he is still their Commander in Chief. I wonder how they felt about their tribute being turned into a petty, hate filled, partisan political rally.
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One is a great man who paid a price to his country in
Oct 21, 2012, 1:15 PM
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service - the other provides no service other than to take from our country -
If you are 20 and not a liberal then you have no heart
if you are 30 and not a conservative then you have no brain.
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And if you boo the president on Military Appreciation Day,
Oct 21, 2012, 4:28 PM
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you're a gutless sack of &^&%.
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Re: How did you feel when those same fans booed the
Oct 21, 2012, 2:34 PM
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He deserved it and just for you BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Get over it.
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Now that is a classy post. Thanks for proving my point.***
Oct 21, 2012, 4:27 PM
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There is a difference between the office and its occupant
Oct 22, 2012, 5:14 PM
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That induction text followed the US Constitution text, which was cheered. "Following commands" text was cheered. It was clear to me that the Boo's were for the occupant of the office, not disrespect for the office itself.
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Re: FELLOW CLEMSON FRIENDS....Say what you want
Oct 21, 2012, 12:26 PM
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very well said
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Agreed !!***
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Re: FELLOW CLEMSON FRIENDS....Say what you want
Oct 21, 2012, 2:48 PM
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I think it was a crass act, and totally uncalled for, given the circumstances!
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It all played well on TV (good job from a coot even) ;-) ****
Oct 21, 2012, 3:27 PM
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Much like South Carolina's reuniting of the military family
Oct 21, 2012, 3:31 PM
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recently during a game, these type of honors should play well across the country. They are a credit to both institutions.
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Re: I belong to the group that doesn't boo the president, no
Oct 21, 2012, 4:42 PM
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And I would suggest that it's naive to suggest that a vast number of racists voted for the current president because, and ONLY because, he is black. I also believe that if there has EVER been a president who deserved to be booed publically, it is this one. He's fully earned it, and it has NOTHING to do with the color of his skin.
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Are you just willfully forgetting the years 2000-2008?***
Oct 21, 2012, 4:53 PM
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Re: I belong to the group that doesn't boo the president, no
Oct 22, 2012, 4:29 PM
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It's not naive at all. When 97% of a demographic votes the same way when historical voting shows a different voting tendency for that demographic, and when all other demographics voting in that same election were much closer to a 50/50 or 60/40 split, it suggests that racism is strong.
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Re: Re: I belong to the group that doesn't boo the president, no
Oct 21, 2012, 4:49 PM
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Correction - naive to suggest that those racists DIDN'T vote for him because and only because he's black. Funny how those folks get a pass for that racism, despite how catastrophic it is for our nation. It just goes to show how foolish and shallow this nation has become, to elect such a weak, corrupt "leader".
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Yes, and the guy we reelected in 2004 was certainly
Oct 21, 2012, 4:57 PM
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a class act, wasn't he? Face it-you're upset because you're old, white, and you realize the world isn't the same it was 50 years ago. You and Hannity and Limbaugh have a nice day, okay?
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Clemson32 will wake up one day and realize he dosen't have
Oct 21, 2012, 5:02 PM
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a clue...
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If people
Oct 21, 2012, 5:06 PM
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Boo and don't like him because he is black then their is another group that claps and loves him because he is black....even though I don't like Obama (nor Romney for that matter) I would never boo during a swearing of oath, when you boo you're taking the moment from the men and women swearing in and giving it to some joke who acts as a global celebrity
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Proud too......Go Tigers
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Re: I belong to the group that doesn't boo the president, no
Oct 21, 2012, 6:40 PM
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Mark me up as naive. I was at the southern 500 when Clinton was booed as the honorary Marshall. I don't think that had anything to do with his skin color either. It's a nice cop out though. Nice try. If by some chance Obama is defeated in November I'm sure we'll here more of this racist crap. Ironically, his skin color is the only reason many will vote for him. Now u tell me who's racist?
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Classless, disrespectful and embarrassing
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sorry your tribute got hijacked
Oct 22, 2012, 8:10 AM
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I have been to many military appreciation days at Clemson, but Saturday was the most special of all. There were many women and yes even some men, wiping tears away from their eyes on several occasions. I will never leave my seat at half time again on that special day.
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Once the snowball started rolling downhill....lol. Such is a
Oct 22, 2012, 10:05 AM
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day in the life of TigerNet....
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Athletic Dir [863]
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I have had 2 experiences in my life where my pride
Oct 22, 2012, 9:05 AM
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and patriotism overwhelmed me and brought me to tears. One was when I stepped off the plane and touched American soil after a 6 month deployment to Iraq & Kuwait and the other was this Saturday in the Valley when Daniel was reunited with the pilots that helped rescue his outpost.
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All-In [25381]
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Understand the feelings...Twice during my four-years
Oct 22, 2012, 4:26 PM
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active service I returned to the States on both coasts, and I'll never forget the humility I felt having been away for over three years, and that was over 40 years ago. Yet, after all these years I remain grateful for the opportunity to serve. Perhaps, it was the sight of that young, 24-year-old carrying the flag that brought back a flood of personal memories; perhaps, it was the crowd acknowledging him....I won't forget the moment.
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COLLEGE: A three-year starter at strong safety for Clemson, finished his career with 234 tackles and 11 interceptions.
