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FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 11:34 AM

Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

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Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 12:31 PM

"The main objective is to strike down permanently the restrictions that prevent athletes in Division I basketball and the top tier of college football from being fairly compensated for the billions of dollars in revenues that they help generate,"

Actually, the real main objective is for this lawyer to make a name for himself while putting as much undeserved money in his pocket as he can get.

Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 12:57 PM

Here's a link to the full article on ESPN.


Hate to overreact but a worst case scenario could be the end of college sports as we know it. Recruiting battles turn into bidding wars. What's next...a salary cap?

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The argument against is fairly simple

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 1:45 PM

in that Athletic Departments aren't grossly profitable like the lawyer tries to claim. Football and basketball are just profitable "divisions" of the overall athletic business.

They are compensated more than the "employees" in other divisions in that their scholarships are full.

Now, whether any judge actually buys that is a different matter.

Maybe, but if the scholarship pays for roughly 28,000

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 5:29 PM

dollars a semester, but the total estimated cost for that semester is in the lower 30,000, how are many of these players suppose to make up the difference? Especially when they have rigorous schedules that does not allow a full time job and many come from deprived families.

I use to side with the idea of a scholarship is enough...but after watching the documentary about this, I think they should be payed.

Total cost of attendance is an arbitrary number

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:32 PM

it includes things like the value of residencies, entertainment etc. The scholarship athletes can choose to live in off campus apartments and get a stipend or they can stay in the dorms as part of their scholarships.

what about gas expenses, who pays for them to travel to and

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 10:05 PM

from home if they live far away? That alone can add up to a handsome sum over the course of 4 years...

It just seems like everyone's answer is for these guys to accept their scholarship and some of the perks that come with it, stay in their dorm on campus 24/7 and accept what your given and never ask for anything else. What makes a class president getting paid $5,000 a semester who is on full scholarship any different from a student player?

Excerpt from an article that's of interest...

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 10:35 PM

That hot-button conversation deals with the statistic called "Cost of Attendance," a figure that includes not only room, board, tuition and books, but additional everyday living expenses for such things as gas, entertainment, personal hygiene, and cell phone bills.
"There are expenses we have that most people don't even think about … that most people take for granted," said Iowa's McNutt.

According to websites of the respective schools, the cost of a full nonresident scholarship at Iowa State is $28,023, while the total cost of attendance is computed at $30,343. At Iowa, tuition is $34,939, while the cost of attendance is $38,454.

Those are expenses you pay if you are in college or not

Posted: Mar 18, 2014 9:21 AM

that has absolutely nothing to do with attendance. Unless of course you are moving from some backwoods town in Ga where rent is $150 a month to attend Seton Hall in NYC. But you should take that into consideration when picking your school.

If I accept a job for more salary but a higher cost of living and I can't live my same lifestyle, thats on me...re Oliver Purnell.

lol, good points...***

Posted: Mar 18, 2014 12:04 PM

Re: The argument against is fairly simple

Posted: Mar 23, 2014 2:56 PM

And where else could a player get as much developmental training and public exposure at no cost to them? How would they expect to get that big signing bonus if all the NFL had to go on was a simple combine or pro day? Somehow, players never factor that in to the equation.

Re: The argument against is fairly simple

Posted: Mar 23, 2014 3:01 PM

I do think they should all(in the money sports)get a small stipend, say around $100 per month. Nothing extravagant, but enough that they can participate in the college experience of buying a pizza occasionally, among other things.

Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:41 PM

Jeff Kessler has made a name for himself, and I'm sure a lot of money already. He initiated fee-agency in the NFL, amongst other high profile sports lawsuits. Probably the biggest sports lawyer out there, which is why this case may have more teeth than any of the other lawsuits.

Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 1:01 PM

Do not need these distractions. cut him loose, he knew the deal when he signed the scholarship. Either your all in or your out. This is a distraction to him and it will become one for the teams as Media types want interviews and comments. If you want a minor league for the NFL, get the NFL to foot the bill, the college's can't do it.

Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 1:23 PM

Absolutely correct, let the NFL create a developmental/minor league and if you want to get paid then you play in that league.

Alternative is to pay athletes a flat rate, say $25,000 per year. Student is responsible for his tuition/room and board/food just like every other student. So they can apply for academic scholarships and other types as well as student loans. If they want to use $25,000 for tuition that is fine but they are responsible for their college just as every other student is but they get paid for being a football player.

Over a 5 year period they make $125,000. Now if they take out student loans they have made money to pay it back. It also provides incentive for academics in high school as the better they do the better chance for academic money.

You realize if that happened, that'd be the death of college

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 5:31 PM

football. If a minor league is developed where players are payed WITHOUT schooling, imagine the fallout of athletes all across the nation.

I fear this may very well become a reality soon.

It won't be the death. Perhaps a trim down.

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:34 PM

We can get back to student athletes playing college sports if they choose and get rid of the guys who are in it solely for the chance to go pro. I imagine something like college baseball.

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But is it fair that a football player MUST attend college to

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 10:06 PM

go pro? What should give the NCAA power of the NFL?

Re: You realize if that happened, that'd be the death of college

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:43 PM

no minor league team will have 85,000 fans total - let alone at each home game.

What are you comparing that theory to? It's hard to really

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 10:07 PM

say that about football...it's a 10+ billion dollar a year industry.

Re: What are you comparing that theory to? It's hard to really

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 11:22 PM

there are other professional leagues, CFL, AFL... none of them are near as popular as college ball. I just don't think anyone would care about anything outside of the NFL without being able to root on their school.

Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:24 PM

I agree 100%. Cut him loose!

I agree w both of you, this could be

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 1:36 PM

A can of worms no Clemson or even plain CFB fans don't want to see opened. As soon as these guys start to get paid the whole system as we know it goes down the toilet. All integrity will be gone and we might as well have 200,000 unrestricted free agents coming out of high school every year. And like you said let the bidding begin. These kids haven't earned cash by playing HS football, they earn a scholarship to get a top notch education and get the experience of a lifetime in college.

what many find though is the athletes aren't receiving an

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 5:34 PM

education at all. They are being used to make billions. They could care less whether they are educated. Apparently, some come to college without the ability to spell among many other things. They just want the athlete and the revenue they generate, they care nothing of this education people keeping throwing out...

Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 1:49 PM

Its really simple...compensated with a free education, room, board, food, tutoring, etc.

If they are paid take away the scholarships...pretty simple. Apparently they aren't really being appreciated either which is unfortunate since thousands of us donate the hard earned money every year.

Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:18 PM

The problem here isn't that players aren't being "fairly compensated for the billions of dollars in revenues that they help generate." The problem is that these players don't give a crap about school, which renders their $25,000 full scholarship worthless to them.

Pay them $25,000 per year, make them pay taxes on it, take away the scholarship, and make them find their own way through school. They'll realize that their road to the pros was made easy for them, but not anymore. They'll appreciate it a lot more then.

Re: FB Update: Clemson DB named as co-plaintiff in NCAA lawsuit

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:44 PM

the problem with that is if clemson is only willing to pay 25k total, Alabama/ohio state will be willing to pay 50, 75, etc..

This suit could ruin college football.***

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:22 PM

This suit alone, probably not

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:31 PM

But, combine this suit with Title IX and you may be right. Paying football and maybe basketball players could be doable, but each school paying hundreds of athletes in non-revenue and women's sports wouldn't be feasible.

Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:25 PM

If a home ticket costs $50 and there are 83000 people at the stadium that is $4,150,000 per game (29,050,000 per 7 game season). Tickets often go higher than that.

Then factor in the seat licenses (we don't call them that but that is what they are) for the 50k season ticket holders. Lets say the average iptay membership buys 4 tickets and the average membership is around $1,500.00. That is another $18,750,000.

We have not even gotten to tv rights, merchandise sales, vendor sales or overall local economic impact.

Lets leave the last two out, which are substantial and assume media rights yield $17,000,000 a year.

Without squeezing we are at $64,800,000 per year.

If you divide that $64,800,000 by 85 scholarship players you get $762,352.94

Can you not understand why athletes are saying my 20k a year tuition does not feel like full compensation?

Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:30 PM

You seem to forget about all the other student athletes that represent Clemson.



Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:34 PM

I didn't forget them. But they don't make money. Nobody pays to see soccer or golf or anything in women's sports. It is amazing how we love the free market and hate socialism until it works against us

Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:39 PM

Wow... You are completely missing the point of collegiate athletics...

It isnt about what programs make money.

Also you still are not getting the idiocy of your logic of only counting Profit of the money making programs and completey ignoring the losses of the non money making programs.



What's wrong with paying those that generate money?

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 5:40 PM

I'm not suggesting paying the players 700,000+ dollars like the above poster may be saying, just what about 5,000 more to cover additional living costs?

I think it could work.

Title IX

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:31 PM

the first school to pay athletes will have to pay them all equally (or at least proportionaly) or they will be sued up through the Supreme Court. There is no way to just pay the sports that make money.

And most athletic departments don't have an extra $500,000 in their budget.

Doesn't that just deal with sex? You wouldn't be excluding

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 10:13 PM

anyone based on that premise. I doubt men's rowing or lacrosse brings in hefty amounts for the university unless I'm wrong...

It does. But the only sports getting paid would be mens

Posted: Mar 18, 2014 9:18 AM

They've already tried financial reasoning with adding or dropping certain sports but the courts have pretty much said that the opportunities have to be the same as the general student body populations.

Its cheaper to run a wrestling program than a rowing program, but we dropped wrestling and started womens crew because that is 50 spots for women to participate in sports.

So you don't want an athletic department

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 4:27 PM

you want a football and basketball department.

But don't forget, Title IX won't let you just have a football team. You have to have offsetting numbers for women.

Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:39 PM

Ok, so let's say tuition is $20,000-$25,000. They don't pay that so that is a salary. Food? Who pays for that? Books? They get special tutoring others don't, who pays for that? Room and board?

They get to travel when the normal student doesn't, how much do they pay for that?

So between all they do not pay for that other students do, how much does that come to per year? So realistically they are getting probably $30,000-$40,000 in tuition and other perks.

They are 17-21 years old, that is not bad money. Other choice is to say I don't want the college to exploit me so I'll find something else to do. No one puts a gun to their heads and makes them play college football. In fact, how many are in school if they have to meet the same academic requirements as other students? So they have an opportunity to enter a college where other, more gifted students may get turned away. That is a pretty good perk there.

Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:55 PM

On the "you got in to this institution"

If I go donate 3 M to Harvard, I am probably getting in.

5 years x 750k = 3,750,000 - 175k (5 x 35k)= 3.575M

PS- didn't even count the 17 million generated by their actions two out of the last three years for being in the BCS

Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 2:58 PM

Then you can donate to Harvard because that is your choice. If a college education, (free) is not good enough and you feel you are being used then do not go, no one makes the athlete play college football.

It is a trade off, college prepares for a chance at NFL with a free education thrown in. If u don't think that is enough, choose another sport or a different route. Your best option is college and you know the rules before signing that LOI.

Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 4:34 PM

It's very simple. You don't seem to get it.
1. The institution, namely the athletic department, makes the money. The players don't make the money. Nothing happens without the institution. Players are replaceable, just as they always have been.
2. Remove ALL financial assistance (room, board, tuition, fees, travel, tutoring, any equipment they athletes get to "take home," etc.) if athletes should get paid. All schools will be required to pay no more than minimum wage, otherwise parity (and the sport) vanishes and it will become a bidding war between about ten teams...nobody else will be able to afford football...or any other sport since ALL the college athletes will have to get paid minimum wage as well. They will realize what are good deal they were getting with their scholarships.
3. Only a minority of FBS football programs actually make money.

Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 10:09 PM

No doc. I get it. A small mind always believes an opposing viewpoint just "doesn't understand". You get paid. Just these kids have to entertain you and be happy for the opportunity while everybody around them gets rich.

College is fun . Clemson treated me great and I was a nonprofit athlete. But the reality is that these young men are not normal students.

You want amateur athletes, go the Ivy League route

I think there have been 3 athletes since 2006 that have

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 5:43 PM

went straight to the pros that DID NOT attend college. So yes, if you want to go pro, the NCAA pretty much has the athletes by the balls and makes the go to college to have a shot.

Re: Saying they get a scholarship is laughable

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 3:55 PM

One thing you're leaving out is the opportunity that $25,000/year scholarship gives an athlete. For someone who has proved himself worthy IN SCHOOL UNDER THAT SCHOLARSHIP to be a sure fire NFL draft pick, suddenly that skyrockets the value of that player's scholarship. You can't leave that out.

Not to mention the highly personalized training program

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 4:29 PM

year around weight training, free trainers and medical staff, advisory services etc.

Think about how much those services would cost a 20 year old trying to get into the NFL.

So in essence, an athlete that attends college has a MUCH

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 5:49 PM

greater chance of going pro than one that does not have all the amenities, in your own words?

If that is true, the NCAA has the athletes by the balls if they want to play pro. Either they come to college and live by their rules, regardless if they think it is fair, or forget your dreams of playing on Sundays...something about that doesn't seem right...especially when there is billions to be made.

If the players don't like the deal of getting a scholarship,

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 5:09 PM

then don't sign on signing day. Just stay home, work out in your own gym, with your own facilities and go out for the pros when draft time comes. There are many out there that think it is a fair deal to get a full ride scholarship in exchange for playing.

Poor students get 100% scholly AND Pell Grant

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:10 PM

And end up with more "walking around money" than most regular students.
This whole thing is a farce and if we start paying athletes it will be end of most college sports.

What's really a farce is Saban getting 5+ million***

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:28 PM

you are being kind...

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:55 PM


That’s it. I have had it with the inane and redundant talk about NCAA football student-athletes, specifically football players, not being able pay for a tank of gas or afford a combo meal at Subway. Stop it! Enough is enough. These kids are given ample resources to “survive” during their years on a college campus, and I will prove it to you. I will show you not only the value of a scholarship, but the cash and benefits student-athletes can get all within NCAA rules.

If this is your first time to Holy Turf, welcome. Let me give you some quick background information. I spent nine years working inside athletic departments at Arkansas and Baylor as an academic advisor for student-athletes. I have seen the inner workings of two athletic departments in two major conferences. Let’s get back to the task at hand. I live in Fayetteville, Arkansas, the home of the Razorbacks. In this article, I am going to use Arkansas as my example.

Before we get to the value of a scholarship, let’s start off with the amount of money available to football student-athletes within NCAA rules.

Pell Grant
Many football student-athletes qualify for a Pell Grant based on several factors, but most earn a Pell Grant based on a lack of wealth from their parents. According to collegeboard.com, “The U.S. Department of Education uses a standard formula to evaluate the information you supply when applying for a Pell Grant. This formula produces a number called the Expected Family Contribution (EFC), which determines if you are eligible. The grant requires that you: 1. Are an undergraduate student who has not earned a bachelor’s degree. 2. Are a U.S. citizen or an eligible noncitizen. 3. Have a high school diploma or a GED, or demonstrate the ability to benefit from the program”

A full Pell Grant is worth $5,500 a year and never has to be repaid because it is a grant, not a loan. Football players get $5,500 each year to do with what they want.

Clothing Money
If a football player qualifies for a Pell Grant, they also get $500 of clothing allowance each year. My memory fails me, but I am almost certain this money is from the conference. Football players can buy whatever clothes they want as long as they bring back $500 worth of receipts to their Compliance department showing the clothes they bought. Now, many football players will spend this money on new Nike’s, hats, jeans or t–shirts. This money could be spent on buying a nice suit, or a few pairs of khaki pants and some button down shirts, but rarely is that the case.

Commissioner's like the Big 10's Jim Delaney talk about full cost scholarships, but remember that goes to every student-athlete on a full scholarship, not just football players.
Student-Athlete Opportunity Fund
According to Bylaw in the NCAA Manual, each athletic department can use the student-athlete opportunity fund money for anything but financing salaries, scholarships (though paying for summer school is allowed, but a football player’s scholarship covers summer school), capital improvements, stipends, and outside athletic development. The NCAA gives each school a chunk of money each year…roughly $200,000 to help student-athletes out with whatever needs they may have deemed fit by the senior staff member in the athletic department in charge of the money. This money is not just for football, but the entire athletic department. Regardless, if a football player needs money to pay for gas, more new clothes, or a plane ride home, they can legally get money for that.

Special Assistance Fund
Football players also have access to a special assistance fund too. According to NCAA bylaw 16.12.2, money from the special assistance fund may be requested as additional financial aid (with no obligation to repay such aid) for special financial needs for student-athletes. I know one school used this fund to fly their basketball players home for the Christmas break. Completely within NCAA rules.

Room and Board
Football players typically live on campus with a meal plan at the dining hall during their freshman years. In this case, their scholarship covers all of the cost for their dorm room and meal plan. Most players will live off campus after their freshman year as long as the coach allows it, which is usually determined by how the student-athlete is doing in school. Football players living off campus get a room and board check equal to the amount their university lists in the costs to attend. For Arkansas, it is $4,021 for each fall and spring semester based off of this figure. A total of $8,024 for both semesters. Almost all scholarship football players stay in town for summer school to take care of their academics and workout. Arkansas has 16-week fall and spring semesters. The two summer sessions are a total of 12 weeks. Using that logic, Arkansas football players get 75% (12 weeks instead of 16) of $4,021, which is $3,016.

Here is one non-monetary benefit that may interest readers.

Occasional Meal
NCAA Bylaw allows for a student-athlete or an entire team in a sport to have an occasional meal paid for by a representative of athletics interest, also known as a booster, on infrequent and special occasions. The booster can even provide local transportation as long as the meal is at the booster’s house and not a restaurant. The meal cannot be at a house, but can be catered. The meal can be as lavish as the booster wants to provide. Most schools have a form for boosters to fill out before hosting a student-athlete or team. This is another way to feed student-athletes.

The typical non-freshman Arkansas football player received the cash listed below in 2010-11:
$5,500- Pell Grant
$500- Clothing Fund
$8,024- Fall and Spring Room and Board
$3,016- Summer Room and Board

$17,040- Grand Total

Remember, this excludes any money from the Student-Athlete Opportunity Fund, the Special Assistance Fund, and any occasional meals provided by boosters. Monthly, football players are looking at $1,420 cash in their pocket without having to buy books or pay tuition and fees. Did you have $1,420 of cash every month in college? If football players were to work a job paying a respectable $10 an hour, they would need to work 36 hours a week for 50 weeks to make $1,420 before taxes to make what they get from their football scholarship and other available money sources.

SEC Commissioner Mike Slive recently said, ""I have long thought that we should revisit the limitations on the current scholarship model and perhaps expand it to cover the full cost of attendance. I look forward to that discussion."
How much does it cost to live in an apartment in Fayetteville? One of, if not, the nicest apartments on the edge of campus costs $480 per person for a two bedroom apartment. Another nice apartment about a mile from campus costs $350 per person for a two bedroom apartment. If we split the difference at $415 per person, our football players have over $1,000 remaining from their monthly income after paying for rent and remember, they have no bills for tuition, books, or fees. Still think these guys cannot afford a tank of gas, a date, or any other reasonable expenditure for a college student?

Football is a ‘head count’ sport according to the NCAA. This means that football student-athletes are either on a full scholarship or not on any athletic scholarship. There is no middle ground. A full scholarship covers tuition, fees, books, room, and board. We covered the money a football player actually receives. Now, we will look at the added value of a scholarship. At Arkansas a student taking 30 credit hours would pay just under $8,000 as an in-state student for tuition, fees, and books. A non-resident would pay $17,162 for the same. Many football players will also take summer school during both summer sessions. The average expense for an in-state student taking nine summer hours is roughly $2,000. For an out of state student, the cost is closer to $4,500.

Scholarships are renewable each year for up to five years while student-athletes can only compete four seasons. Coaches can choose to not award a scholarship to a returning student-athlete at the end of each year for any reason. For our sake, we will assume our football players will be at school for five years because many redshirt or lose a year to a medical redshirt. In-state Arkansas students get $50,000 in value over five years from their scholarship covering tuition, books, and fees to go along with the roughly $17,000 a year we calculated above. In total, a football scholarship is worth $135,000 to football player at Arkansas from the state of Arkansas. Football players from out of state get roughly $108,000 in value over five years from their scholarship covering tuition, books, and fees in addition to the $17,000 a year listed above for a five year value of roughly $193,000.

I am not sure if I changed your mind on whether or not athletes should get paid, but next time you hear a talking head whining about football players not being able to afford money for a tank of gas or to take a lady out on a date you will know the facts. Most football players at BCS schools have a surplus of cash each month to spend however they choose.

Re: you are being kind...

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:00 PM

how is room and board cash?

Re: you are being kind...

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:06 PM

because 99% of the kids don't live on campus and are given an apartment/house allowence. You get 2-4 players getting a place together and they keep the extra cash.

Plus the Pell Grants they recieve can be used for room and board if there is any left over after tuition and books, etc.. is paid....they have no tuition or have to pay for books or any college fees for that matter

Re: you are being kind...

Posted: Mar 18, 2014 9:28 AM

please dont bring facts to this board 250. i am guessing these athletes have way more spending money than i could send my kids when they were in school.


Sorry but with Whitney gate for you to ask that I am ROFL

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:46 PM


we are talking about expenses...

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:57 PM

room and board = roof and food

Whitney = probation.

Re: we are talking about expenses...

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 11:21 PM

he said 17k in CASH... how is a roof and food cash? last time i checked it was a roof, and food. and what does the whitney have to do with any of this?

Wish the media would report this. I fume every time I hear

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:48 PM

about "poor" DI football players.

If they had 1/2 a brain they would take advantage of their scholarship so they could get a good job when they graduate and don't make it in the NFL - or post NFL.

Tell it like it is, 250!

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:58 PM

and it is tax free!

What about those athletes that do not qualify for the Pell

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 10:31 PM

but do not get funds from their parents?

"I don't know of any athlete who is going to say no to getting something beyond what the scholarship provides," said Iowa receiver Marvin McNutt, who said he has not received a Pell Grant. "The expectations placed on us have become year-round. It's difficult to work a (part-time) job like other students; the time just isn't there."

cutiger250, this needs to be front and center

Posted: Mar 18, 2014 9:26 AM

on every sports site or newspaper section. I knew they got money, but did not realize it was this much.

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So a return to the days of true student athletes? awful!!

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:49 PM

There are more student athletes now, especially with our program, than the days when college football was only graduating about 55% of the players at the BEST programs but these students DO get many, many privileges and opportunities even the best of our students are not privy to.


Nevertheless I actually DO support some payment other than

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 6:52 PM

cash for our athletes. After all, most of us wouldn't pay to see students take a Writing 101 exam but to see them play football? That is awesome!!


I have no problem with players being compensated

Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:21 PM

I don't see why they shouldn't receive some NCAA per diem for their work, or get some of the same education help as the rest of the students.

Players get a great opportunity

Posted: Mar 18, 2014 9:07 AM

What every player gets, aside from a chance for an education, is exposure. High school jock can skip college football and go pro with no hard feelings. Of course only 1 in a million will get paid to play right out of high school. That is not a college issue.

Martin Jenkins had no market value coming out of high school. He did havea chance to develop his skill, live free, be provided training and a tTV audience to market himself. For almost all ncaa jocks that is easily the best deal they can get.

If the NFL wants to pay high schoolers they are welcome to do so.

It is not a bad deal for 99.99% of football players coming out of high school.

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The real problem

Posted: Mar 18, 2014 12:57 PM

who is going to set the pay scale? does the starting qb make one thing and a scrub make something else? Who says what is fair? If it is not one set amount, it becomes abidding war and cheating will be worse.
Ok, when I was there the players could get $20.00 a month laundry money plus $5 meal money on away games. This was 1962 so that wasn't as low as it seems. They will have to get a set amount, everybody the same and strict accounting.

Pay them and let them pay

Posted: Mar 23, 2014 3:11 PM

For tuition, books, housing, meals and tutors. Heck..... A lot of these kids couldn't get into college if they didn't play ball. They are only talking about football and basketball..... But if they pay those athletes..... They'll get sued by the others.

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pay them and make it all taxable income

Posted: Mar 23, 2014 3:25 PM

see how they like that

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FOR SALE: Excellent seats in Section C Row K on the 20 yard line closest to The Hill and behind Clemson bench ...

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