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All-In [40798]
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USA USA USA
Feb 5, 2019, 10:12 PM
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We will never be a socialist nation we are born free and will remain free
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Re: USA USA USA
Feb 5, 2019, 10:15 PM
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Tonight’s state of the union is brought to you by Fox News
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Legend [19599]
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The military, our highway system, public libraries and Medicare are
Feb 5, 2019, 10:16 PM
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just figments of your imagination..
Oh, and the police and fire departments, the USPS, government-funded student loans, bridges, farm subsidies, Social Security, public schools, public parks..
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All-In [40798]
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you have no clue if you think that is socialism
Feb 5, 2019, 10:22 PM
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there is nothing wrong with a democratic republic taxing the masses for common good, there is everything wrong with complete government control of commerce.
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Legend [19599]
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So those are capitalist institutions?***
Feb 5, 2019, 10:24 PM
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Of course they are. Capitalism just means private individuals
Feb 5, 2019, 10:31 PM
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control commerce and industry instead of the government. Our founding fathers were brilliant when they wrote the constitution.
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Legend [19599]
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So why are all those things done for the common good OK but
Feb 5, 2019, 10:33 PM
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publicly-funded healthcare is sooo scary?
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Re: So why are all those things done for the public good OK but
Feb 5, 2019, 10:45 PM
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Healthcare is not a power of the federal government so it is reserved for the states. This is how federalism works.
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Legend [19599]
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And that's what makes it socialism?***
Feb 5, 2019, 11:55 PM
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Re: And that's what makes it socialism?***
Feb 6, 2019, 10:15 AM
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Healthcare is not a right, it is an economic commodity: a service to be specific.
You do not have a right to free services.
The duty of the Federal government has 4 main directives: 1. Ensure that commerce occurs freely and efficiently between this states, but that the government not control commerce. - The Federal government's power here is to ensure that trade and commerce between the states occurs painlessly and efficiently. The Feds exist here to prevent states from levying embargoes and tariffs on each other, to ensure that the economy is protected from economic threats (like monopolies, ponzi schemes, fraud), and to ensure it has adequate infrastructure to operate efficiently (interstates, ports, bridges, financial and minimal business regulatory agencies)
2. Protect the sovereign territory of the United States with a military - This includes borders security and military forces station domestically, and a national guard, for homefront defense.
3. Protect US economic interests as they operate abroad - The original justification for the Navy and other US military expeditionary forces. Despite what naysayers may think, if American oil companies are doing business in Iraq, and a militant regime threatens that business which has major economic impacts within the US, our government has every right under the Constitution to engage in war to protect our specific economic interests.
4. Abide by the Constitution and Bill of Rights - This is the justification for the Supreme Court and the court system, to judge laws based upon their Constitutionality.
Natural Law was the school of philosophy which the Founders used to create our Constitution. Within this philosophy, there exists the notion that government is a necessary evil. Government and some of its services should exist, but only in a minimalist aspect.
Government is the thermostat which keeps the economic engine of a nation from overheating. The people are the drivers.
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110%er [9879]
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You also don't have a "right" for strangers to come and
Feb 6, 2019, 12:28 PM
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put a fire out if your house is on fire.
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Re: You also don't have a "right" for strangers to come and
Feb 6, 2019, 12:31 PM
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you cant even argue with someone that is as dumb as you appear to be or that is trolling. You are either or both.
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110%er [9879]
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Prove me wrong.***
Feb 7, 2019, 7:25 AM
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You must be the wife in your family.
Feb 7, 2019, 7:38 AM
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You argue the most inane topics.
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I'm not talking to you, dumbshit***
Feb 7, 2019, 8:08 AM
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Re: you have no clue if you think that is socialism
Feb 6, 2019, 7:06 AM
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Nobody wants complete control of commerce? Nobody that maters at least. Why is this even a discussion? You fell for Trump's BS again?
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We are very much a capitalistic society, even though
Feb 5, 2019, 10:48 PM
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it certainly contains some socialistic elements and institutions. Still, capitalism drives and sustains this nation. Trump was correct - we are not a socialist nation, and hopefully never will be, and instead will always preserve our birthright of freedom.
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we are nowhere close to being a "socialist" nation
Feb 5, 2019, 10:57 PM
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And never have been.
"Socialist" is just a scare word carelessly thrown around
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The key is "young Americans".
Feb 6, 2019, 7:18 AM
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I don't think it's too outrageous to think younger Americans will embrace the idea more. As they get older, earn more money, and see more of it taken away by the fed, I predict those attitudes will change.
But if you want to start changing those attitudes, something has to be addressed with college cost and healthcare cost. Of course, giving it away free isn't feasible. But it continues to rise, especially with college (due to dishonest and greedy admins at those colleges), and no one seems to want to stop it.
Thus, younger Americans will look to extremes. People embrace the ideology that seems to benefit them the most.
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Re: The key is "young Americans".
Feb 6, 2019, 7:25 AM
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To be honest, Trump was calling for less freedom for most Americans. Freedom isn't not having health care, being homeless when you are old, or caring awful student debt your whole life. That's what Trump sees he wants to continue.
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Legend [19599]
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Sorry, if you're looking for an echo chamber maybe try the
Feb 5, 2019, 11:59 PM
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Fox News comment section.
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There are actually those present who don't like
Feb 5, 2019, 10:18 PM
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that one bit. Mind bottling.
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Re: There are actually those present who don't like
Feb 5, 2019, 10:21 PM
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Also many that think one of the most prosperous nations in the world shouldn’t leave its citizens without access to affordable healthcare or provide tax relief to the richest among us while the poorest suffer.
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Legend [19599]
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Thanks, but I'm not expecting a ticker-take parade.***
Feb 6, 2019, 12:27 AM
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Re: USA USA USA
Feb 6, 2019, 7:04 AM
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Cool. Everyone agrees with him, even the most extreme Dems. Are they free in Norway? That's about the level of an extreme Dem in the USA.
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Excuse me sir
Feb 6, 2019, 11:47 AM
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These two would like to have a word
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