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Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 12:19 PM
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Who would you take first?
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Oculus Spirit [90819]
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ETN but liked AE a lot.
May 25, 2020, 12:21 PM
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Go TiGERS..Rock today!
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 12:25 PM
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Probably Etienne, but AE was a great Tiger as well.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 12:41 PM
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Loved Andre but this is not even a legitament question.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 1:09 PM
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This is exactly what I was going to say. AE was great but TE is on another level.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 12:43 PM
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Ellington was so dangerous catching passes out of the backfield and ETN hasn't shown that yet, but we didn't see the breakaways from Ellington that ETN has.
Neither was much of a blocker and Ellington turned out to be injury prone.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 1:17 PM
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ETN hasn’t shown to be a threat out of the backfield???
Last year ETN had 37 catches for 432 yards and 4 tds.
AE’s best season as a receiver was his senior year and he only had 14 catches for 232 and 1 td.
ETN has shown he is MUCH more dangerous catching passes out of the backfield. He also had a pretty good year blocking last year, minus the UNC game.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 4:05 PM
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I was excited to see ETN improve his pass-catching abilities last year. The Ohio State game was a true showcase.
Looking forward to seeing him again soon.
I'm a big Ellington fan too. He had a great career.
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We don’t beat Ohio State without ETN catches and YAC.
May 25, 2020, 4:14 PM
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He doesn’t have the best hands, but once he gathers it in, there’s nobody better.
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ETN
May 25, 2020, 1:14 PM
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it is not even close.
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Re: ETN
May 25, 2020, 1:17 PM
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I figurd it was a jokey OP.
ET funny funny guy.
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Re: ETN
May 25, 2020, 4:27 PM
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Agreed
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I'll take Travis between those two. We win with both!***
May 25, 2020, 1:35 PM
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 1:38 PM
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I'd probably take ETN, but I do think it's a tough question. Clemson is just so much better now as a team than they were in 2011. While ETN, if he can build up speed is very hard to take down, tends to get shut down if they get their hands on him at the line of scrimmage. That's why he's had the tendency to disappear against really good defensive front 7s. But we usually outclass our opponents in the trenches so that's not much of an issue. Ellington was better at the LOS (though not as good as Gallman) and was a better receiver. But ETN is better in the open field. I think I'd probably rank our starting RBs in the Dabo era as:
1. CJ Spiller - close to a one man team (Ford was good too). He'd win the Heisman with Clemson's current talent around him. 2. Travis Etienne 3. Wayne Gallman (I think he and ETN are pretty close) 4. Andre Ellington 5. Jamie Harper 6. Tavien Feaster (He was the starter for part of the 2017 season before Etienne and Choice knocked him to third) 7. Rod McDowell 8. I think D.J. Howard started in 2014 but was benched by Gallman.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 2:07 PM
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I'd probably take ETN, but I do think it's a tough question. Clemson is just so much better now as a team than they were in 2011. While ETN, if he can build up speed is very hard to take down, tends to get shut down if they get their hands on him at the line of scrimmage. That's why he's had the tendency to disappear against really good defensive front 7s. But we usually outclass our opponents in the trenches so that's not much of an issue. Ellington was better at the LOS (though not as good as Gallman) and was a better receiver. But ETN is better in the open field. I think I'd probably rank our starting RBs in the Dabo era as:
1. CJ Spiller - close to a one man team (Ford was good too). He'd win the Heisman with Clemson's current talent around him. 2. Travis Etienne 3. Wayne Gallman (I think he and ETN are pretty close) 4. Andre Ellington 5. Jamie Harper 6. Tavien Feaster (He was the starter for part of the 2017 season before Etienne and Choice knocked him to third) 7. Rod McDowell 8. I think D.J. Howard started in 2014 but was benched by Gallman.
A lot of good points here ??
However, I think even elite RBs struggle with a great front 7 unless the OLINE is elite and the QB can make throws.
Barry Sanders, probably the most elusive RB ever, is one of the few I've seen be able to make something from nothing but there were still a lot of negative yardage plays due to oline
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 4:08 PM
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I think that's mostly true, which is why I ultimately gave it to ETN. But I'd say Spiller was someone who succeeded without a great offensive line. It was really strange. There was talent on the 2009 offensive line. I think 4 were 4 stars and the last was a 3 star who made an NFL roster. But they just didn't show much synergy compared to our latest offensive lines. Maybe the culture was less focused on the team during the Bowden years. Kyle Parker was a better QB than he gets credit for, but he just got mauled by opposing defenses.
But CJ constantly made plays out of nothing, and was phenomenal in every aspect of his game (I also think signing him was a huge move for Clemson). I'd call the 2009 ACC championship the most frustrating game I ever watched. Basically every player sucked except for CJ. He put the team on his back more than I've ever seen. The line couldn't stop Georgia Tech. Parker freaked out after getting hit a few times and just starting throwing wild. And the defense was horrendous (giving up like 350 rushing yards). I was so frustrated because CJ would pull out a crazy touchdown run, and then Georgia Tech would march down the field and score again. I think they scored on 8 of 9 drives. So I think CJ succeeded with a fairly mediocre line.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 3:46 PM
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I was just ranking the running backs from the Dabo era. So 2009 to 2019. I think its too hard to compare backs across different eras. Priester was elite, as was Zachery, Allen, and Flowers. But I wanted to stick to the last decade or so.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 3:37 PM
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Both are great, but ETN of course.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 4:04 PM
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Both are great, but ETN of course.
This. ETN would start but Ellington would get carries too (almost similar to when Spiller was here).
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 4:24 PM
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Tajh Boyd vs. Deshaun Watson is an equally credible assessment. I don't get it.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 4:45 PM
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I'm with you Socman2, bottom line, why ask fans to choose between former or present players? Andre was a great player for Clemson and proved his worth in the NFL. ETN is great and one day this poster will ask, who would you pick ETN or ?.
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Re: Andre Ellington or Travis Etienne
May 25, 2020, 5:34 PM
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No a fair question because they are both #1.
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Etienne = best Clemson RB ever***
May 25, 2020, 7:21 PM
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Re: Etienne = best Clemson RB ever***
May 25, 2020, 7:38 PM
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It would have been interesting to see what Spiller would have been like with our current team.
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Re: Etienne = best Clemson RB ever***
May 25, 2020, 9:02 PM
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Wrong. Etienne is phenomenal. But there's really not an argument Etienne is better than Spiller.
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