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Dabo vs. Nick Saban
Sep 24, 2012, 8:08 PM
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Dabo has been head coach for 52 games. Through 52 games:
Winning percentage: 61.5%
Conference Championships: 1
Nick Saban through his first 52 games:
Winning percentage: 57.7%
Conference Championships: 1 (at Toledo in his first year).
Best finish in Big 10 at Michigan State during that time: 5th place
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Dabo is clearly the second coming of Nick Saban
Sep 24, 2012, 8:14 PM
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You hit the nail on the head.
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I only deal in facts.***
Sep 24, 2012, 8:15 PM
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Re: I only deal in facts.***
Sep 26, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Nick Saban took over an SEC team fresh off NCAA sanctions. Dabo took over an ACC team fresh off 9 wins.
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Re: I only deal in facts.***
Sep 26, 2012, 12:14 PM
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Yeah we all know those SEC sanctions are very tough to recover from. When you got boosters with deep pockets it don't take long to hire errr, I mean sign some good classes.
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Neither then nor now did we or do we have as much talent as
Sep 26, 2012, 12:23 PM
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Alabama has. Just another fact.
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Re: Neither then nor now did we or do we have as much talent as
Sep 26, 2012, 1:32 PM
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We have more talent now than Satan had at bama when he took over. Maybe you don't remember but Bama was not good when he took over.
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Re: I only deal in facts.***
Sep 26, 2012, 6:50 PM
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Dabo took over after Tommy. Not quite NCAA sanctions level but pretty close
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Re: I only deal in facts.***
Sep 26, 2012, 6:57 PM
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He had the best player clemson has had this decade.
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"Dabo took over an ACC team fresh off 9 wins."
Sep 26, 2012, 9:08 PM
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Or...
Dabo took over an ACC team fresh off of beat downs by Alabama, Maryland, and Wake Forest.
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A .500 team teetering and on the verge of collapse.***
Sep 26, 2012, 10:46 PM
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Re: Dabo isn't an angry midget***
Sep 26, 2012, 8:16 AM
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no one is as angry as you.
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Orange Blooded [2425]
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There you go advertising that intellectual capacity of yours
Sep 26, 2012, 12:05 PM
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or lack thereof.
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Good comparison......I support Dabo....
Sep 24, 2012, 8:18 PM
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..and my hope is that he will "grow" into the type of coach we want at Clemson. In my job career I've been everything from a tractor driver to a public school teacher and I've seen a lot of people develop into top notch workers when a lot of people didn't give them the chance.
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Re: Good comparison......I support Dabo....
Sep 24, 2012, 8:23 PM
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I can't believe you're comparing Dabo and nick saban..everyone knows nobody can beat an sec team except an sec team and that his winning percentage is lower because of the grueling, tough, schedule they play every game..blah blah blah
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Re: Dabo vs. Nick Saban
Sep 26, 2012, 2:16 AM
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Comparing a clown to a great coach. Jeez.
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Nick's too short to be considered a clown....***
Sep 26, 2012, 8:14 AM
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Nobody mentioned that short squatty clown down state.
Sep 26, 2012, 8:41 AM
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Go Tigers!
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Re: Dabo vs. Nick Saban
Sep 26, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Read it again dumbazz. Nobody compared saban to Ball Sack.
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One MAJOR difference
Sep 26, 2012, 8:13 AM
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As a defensive specialist, Nick only has to make one good coordinator hire, offensive. Whoever he hires on Defense, he will just train. Dabo's is not a specialist. Therefore, to have a great team he must hire a good OC and DC (twice as tough) .
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His "specialty" is recruiting, IMHO
Sep 26, 2012, 10:25 AM
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The fact that he is able to recruit so well is the x-factor. Remember, we aren't and never will be in the same league as Alabama, Florida, Texas, USC (the real one), LSU, FSU, etc. All of these schools have more tradition and tremendous resources (both monetarily and fertile recruiting grounds) at their disposal. All of those schools have distinct advantages from the get go not considering the coaching staff. I agree with your premise about Dabo needing excellent coordinators but you're not giving him enough credit either.
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So all he has to do is hire 2 people who know how to coach..
Sep 26, 2012, 10:44 AM
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How does that make him a better coach? Was he hired as a Human Resources Manager or as a coach. Whatever the answer, I am with you, Dabo is better than Saban, John Gruden, or anyone else in coaching. Long live Dabo!!!!!!
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Been watching much football in your life? There have been
Sep 26, 2012, 12:26 PM
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many more successful coaches who weren't "specialists" than those that call their own plays, etc. Even considering that, Dabo has an extensive offensive background, so if you have categorize his "specialty" it would be that.
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Re:"One MAJOR difference"... Don't forget talent.
Sep 28, 2012, 3:21 PM
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You have to recruit well, or develop talent well, or both. If you are not very good regarding talent, you must have a coordinator who is.
You have 3 major components:
Offense (scheme/coaching)
Defense (scheme/coaching)
Talent (raw/developed)
As a staff, you must be good at all three. Dabo and staff are exellent in regards to talent.
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Dabo has never starred in a movie.***
Sep 26, 2012, 10:30 AM
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Re: Dabo vs. Nick Saban
Sep 26, 2012, 11:23 AM
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Not to burst your bubble, but Nick Saban has won 3 National Championships, 3 SEC Championships, and 5 SEC Western Division Titles..........Nice try though
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you apparently missed the point... comparing first 52 games***
Sep 26, 2012, 11:38 AM
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Thanks - bubble fully intact!***
Sep 26, 2012, 6:15 PM
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Re: Dabo vs. Nick Saban
Sep 27, 2012, 3:38 AM
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Someone didn't read the OP, or couldn't? Which one is it?
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Re: Dabo vs. Nick Saban
Sep 26, 2012, 11:25 AM
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So, by the time Dabo gets his experience at CU, Bama might want him back home.
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vs Tommy Bowden
Sep 26, 2012, 11:59 AM
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First 52 Games
Winning Percentage: 71.2%
Conference Championships 1
Selective Statistics are fun. Tommy Bowden is better than Dabo and Nick Saban.
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Statistics are fun - especially when you understand them,
Sep 26, 2012, 6:17 PM
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and what they mean and what they don't mean. Keep trying though.
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Is that you John Kerry?***
Sep 26, 2012, 10:11 PM
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all three coaches records are exactly relevant
Sep 27, 2012, 5:57 AM
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I guess you are pointing out that there is absolutely no correlation with coaching records and future success. I can find many coaches with records similar to Saben that ended up being flops.
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CU Medallion [58414]
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I guess my point was that there are some who have been so
Sep 27, 2012, 10:16 AM
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highly critical of Dabo and have cited his record, performance, and shortcomings as sufficient grounds for firing him. I was just pointing out that applying that very same criteria would have resulted in Saban, who many Dabo haters worship, being fired at the same point in his career as well.
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And your point is without perspective.
Sep 28, 2012, 7:51 AM
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Saban took over a 0-11 Michigan State team and instantly turned it into a perennial bowl team...with the other guy's players. If MSU had been an 8-9 win team and then Saban dropped them to 6 wins, of course he should have been fired. It's a no brainer.
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No it's not, and you're wrong.
Sep 28, 2012, 4:41 PM
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The team Saban took over was not actually 0-11; they were 5-6 and were forced to forfiet their wins that year due to grade tampering. He turned them all the way around to 6-5-1 the next year.
Michigan St was 27-29-1 the 5 years prior to Saban (not counting the forfiets), and 34-24-1 during his 5 seasons.
In the 10 years prior to Saban, Michigan state had been to bowls 6 of those years, winning 3, so they were very accustomed to post-season bowls. In Saban's 5 seasons there he took them to 4 bowls, winning only 1.
In 5 years at Michigan St., he only finished above 5th place in the Big 10 once, never winning a conference title. In the 5 years prior to Saban, Michigan State won the conference title once and finished 3rd another time.
The bottom line is that Saban worked no miracle at Michigan St, and his record and on field performance over 5 years was a minor improvement at best.
Under those same exact circumstances, the Saban goobersmoochers who are crazy enough to suggest that Dabo is failing at Clemson would have been calling for their hero's head a few years back. That is a view that lacks perspective.
I'm not saying Saban is not a good coach, because he is; but he may be the most over-hyped coach around, and he's even better with a mind-boggling boatload of talent (imagine that).
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I have been in a great fog apparently as I completely
Sep 26, 2012, 10:50 PM
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missed out on TB's conference championship season.
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Scratch that. I'm apparently in the fog now. Forgot about
Sep 26, 2012, 10:52 PM
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TB's Tulane days.
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Re: Dabo vs. Nick Saban
Sep 26, 2012, 12:11 PM
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Missing a stat: What is his record vs his rival...Saban that is...in the first 52 games. Be interesting to know.
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Being an Alabama native
Sep 26, 2012, 12:13 PM
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It is comforting to know I'll have something to say to those dixieland inbreds about their Lord and Savior when I have to head home for summer.
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Point for your user name.
Sep 28, 2012, 8:05 AM
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Gregory Peck was awesome in To Kill a Mockingbird.
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Shaw better than Tajh?
Sep 26, 2012, 9:53 PM
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He is 10-1 in his first 11 starts...
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2 things
Sep 26, 2012, 9:55 PM
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1. I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying dabo was better than saban, but I think he is saying dabo might be pretty good in the long run as head coach
2. Shaw has someone else helping him out... and it's called a little defense
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Re: Shaw better than Tajh?
Sep 27, 2012, 3:41 AM
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Only problem with that is Shaw isn't the key to the offense that Tajh is, that would be Lattimore. I could have gone 20-21 last weekend against Mizzou
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Re: Shaw better than Tajh?
Sep 28, 2012, 9:07 AM
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I'd rather lose Latt for the year than Shaw. Shaw is absolutely the key to our offense.
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vs. Tommy Bowden?
Sep 26, 2012, 10:07 PM
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First 52 games:
Winning Percentage: 71.1%
Conference Championships: 1
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Wow I'm late. Use the other guy's post above.***
Sep 26, 2012, 10:08 PM
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too funny
Sep 28, 2012, 8:39 AM
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lol...saban aint got nothing on our real estate salesman
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Only time will tell. Right now, very similar (with an edge
Sep 28, 2012, 4:44 PM
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to Dabo) at the same stage of their respective careers.
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