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Rock Defender [53]
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Queshion for the bored coots
Dec 22, 2015, 11:27 AM
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Find me one example of a coach failing at an SEC school, then going on to win a championship at another SEC school.
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CU Medallion [64589]
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Correction....
Dec 22, 2015, 11:32 AM
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Find me one example of a coach failing at a historically good SEC school then going on to win a championship at another SEC school whose history is based largely on failure rather than success.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I was trying to keep it broad.***
Dec 22, 2015, 11:37 AM
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All-TigerNet [12505]
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Deer EyeoftheTiger15,
Dec 22, 2015, 11:41 AM
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please answer the kweshion. Coot.
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All-In [36450]
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coots will never win the SEC championship.
Dec 22, 2015, 11:50 AM
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Wouldn't matter if Nick Saban was their coach. So not really fair, poor little inbred coots...
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Re: Queshion for the bored coots
Dec 22, 2015, 11:53 AM
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Tuberville.
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All-In [40929]
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well except for the failing part***
Dec 22, 2015, 11:58 AM
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110%er [5093]
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Re: well except for the failing part***
Dec 22, 2015, 12:02 PM
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So how do we define failure?
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All-In [40929]
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Getting fired for one. Tuberville was Coach of the Year and
Dec 22, 2015, 12:06 PM
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got a promotion to Auburn. Ole Miss had nothing and was decimated by probation and Tuberville mad them winners.
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110%er [5093]
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Re: Getting fired for one. Tuberville was Coach of the Year and
Dec 22, 2015, 12:08 PM
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So Tuberville was a winner even though he won fewer games.
Interesting logic.
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I'm not sure the initial question makes much sense
Dec 22, 2015, 12:13 PM
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I mean, on truth, how many coaches "fail" at a big time program and then go on to win a NC at another school? Not many I'd guess, so I'm not sure what the question is intended to mean.
But, I will say Tuberville doesn't meet the criteria as in no way can you call what he did at Ole Miss a failure. He wasn't fired, he never had a losing season, he left the school to pursue a better head coaching gig. Not sure where in there you'd consider him failing.
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Rock Defender [53]
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The question means that it's a bad hire and only those with
Dec 22, 2015, 12:14 PM
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garnet glasses think otherwise.
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I don't know that it is a bad hire
Dec 22, 2015, 12:27 PM
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I don't think it's a home run, but I'm not sure he won't be able to be moderately successful there.
Don't get me wrong, it's pretty clear he wasn't their first choice, but their best path (IMO) to success is to get a defense first guy and try to recruit to that strength for a bit. Again, I wouldn't bet on much success from him, but I'm not gonna call it a bad hire quite yet.
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Re: I don't know that it is a bad hire
Dec 22, 2015, 12:42 PM
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Well said.
My thoughts are muschamp has the potential to be a good hire. I think it's irrational to go ahead write him off as doomed for failure.
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Re: I'm not sure the initial question makes much sense
Dec 22, 2015, 12:19 PM
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The problem with this thread is going to be the goalposts are going to constantly shift depending on who's being discussed.
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All-In [29036]
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Perhaps
Dec 22, 2015, 12:28 PM
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But do you really call Tuberville at Ole Miss a "failure"?
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Turberville had moderate success but that was
Dec 22, 2015, 12:34 PM
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@ Auburn where it is much easier to win and recruit. Plus he has people skills and doesn't have the anger management issues Muscoot has.
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Re: Perhaps
Dec 22, 2015, 12:41 PM
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No I don't.
But I'm sure the majority of posters will claim muschamp is a failure if he doesn't win the SEC at Carolina. Just the other day tiger net argued spurrier was a failure for that reason.
I'm just pointing out posters are wanting it both ways.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Failure=fired. Nothing ambiguous about that.***
Dec 22, 2015, 12:42 PM
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Re: Failure=fired. Nothing ambiguous about that.***
Dec 22, 2015, 12:45 PM
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Robert, the problem with that is now based on that standard Tuberville was successful at Ole Miss but a failure at Auburn.
You're trying to make complex situations black and white. The real world doesn't work that way.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Tuberville isn't applicable to the conversation. He wasn't
Dec 22, 2015, 12:47 PM
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fired from Ole Miss. It's not that difficult man, try to keep up.
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Re: Tuberville isn't applicable to the conversation. He wasn't
Dec 22, 2015, 12:49 PM
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But he was fired from Auburn therefore he was a failure at Auburn.
Just seems absurd to me for you to call Tuberville a failure at Auburn.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Why are you still talking about Tuberville?***
Dec 22, 2015, 12:50 PM
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Re: Why are you still talking about Tuberville?***
Dec 22, 2015, 1:02 PM
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Why are you avoiding the discussion?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Did you find an example yet?***
Dec 22, 2015, 1:03 PM
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Re: Did you find an example yet?***
Dec 22, 2015, 1:04 PM
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I already gave you an example.
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Rock Defender [53]
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You gave me an example of a coach who left one school and
Dec 22, 2015, 1:05 PM
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went on to win a championship at another. I asked for an example of a coach that was fired from an SEC school who went on to another SEC school to win a championship.
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110%er [5093]
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Re: You gave me an example of a coach who left one school and
Dec 22, 2015, 1:07 PM
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You asked for a coach who failed at one school then won one.
Too late to move the goalposts.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Moving the goalposts doesn't affect the length of the field
Dec 22, 2015, 1:09 PM
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btw. I clarified that I meant "failure=fired"
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Re: Moving the goalposts doesn't affect the length of the field
Dec 22, 2015, 1:13 PM
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It's too late for you to move the goalposts.
I can't help help it if you refuse to accept a factual answer.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I didn't move any goalposts you maroon.
Dec 22, 2015, 1:14 PM
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Tell me how Muschamp's tenure at UF compares to Tuberville's tenure at Ole Miss.
Which one of those would you consider a failure?
I'll hang up and listen.
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Re: I didn't move any goalposts you maroon.
Dec 22, 2015, 1:18 PM
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lol you can call me a moron if you want but I'm not the one having to resort to logical fallacies.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I didn't call you a moron. There was nothing fallacious
Dec 22, 2015, 1:23 PM
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about the question. You picked a bad answer, and have dug your heels in to try and prove that you were right. If anyone is using a fallacious argument, I'd say it'd be you.
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Re: I didn't call you a moron. There was nothing fallacious
Dec 22, 2015, 1:26 PM
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lol whatever helps you feel bad about being wrong.
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Re: I didn't call you a moron. There was nothing fallacious
Dec 22, 2015, 1:26 PM
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feel better*
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Rock Defender [53]
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All-In [29036]
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Fair enough
Dec 22, 2015, 12:44 PM
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I myself wouldn't argue that Spurrier was a failure at all. He did fail to win a championship, but at the same time he took your program to heights yall hadn't been to before with the multiple 10 win seasons.
I DO think he failed the school in how and when he exited, but I am admittedly biased so that plays a part in it.
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Tuberville was the SEC coach of the year at Ole #### in 97
Dec 22, 2015, 11:59 AM
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before moving to Auburn. Nice try.
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Re: Queshion for the bored coots
Dec 22, 2015, 11:55 AM
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Your question involves logic and reason so you frightened the lurkers away. WM doesn't have the personality or people skills to be a head coach. And obviously doesn't have the HC skills either. I think he was a great hire myself, it would've taken a real coach 3-5 years to extinguish the dumpster fire, this will set them back 7-10 years.
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Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, Paul Dietzel***
Dec 22, 2015, 11:57 AM
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All-In [40929]
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except for the failing first and champiomship later***
Dec 22, 2015, 12:00 PM
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Championship?????
Dec 22, 2015, 12:01 PM
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A bowl game is the goal
8-4 is a great year
9+ is historic
Ship of any sorts isn't even a goal or not a realistic one
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Athletic Dir [865]
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The gamecccks use to roll over for the Tigers when ever we
Dec 22, 2015, 12:22 PM
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played them.
You have to give it to Shawn Elliot. The gamecocks played hard for 60 minutes of football against CU this season. Even down by 12 points with 20 seconds to go they were still fighting!
I look forward to Coach #Boom bringing back the good ole days. Roll over boys, roll over!
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Paul William"Bear" Bryant "failed" to win a national........
Dec 22, 2015, 1:58 PM
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championship at Kentucky but went on to win 6 of them at 'Bama.
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no point in pointing out the obvious to a coot
Dec 22, 2015, 2:26 PM
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I hope the live in delusion for many years while their program becomes irrevocably mired in mediocrity.
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