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Coach's poll doesn't lie....

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Posted: Jul 30, 2015 1:53 PM
 

Taking a look at the preseason coach's poll compared to ESPN's "Preseason FPI rankings"

Coach Poll Rank...........FPI Rank......Difference

1.......Ohio State..........1...Ohio St....(NA)
2.......TCU.................2...Alabama....(+1)
3.......Alabama.............3...TCU........(-1)
4.......Baylor..............4...LSU........(+9)
5.......Oregon..............5...Baylor.....(-1)
6.......Michigan State......6...Oregon.....(-1)
7.......Auburn..............7...Notre Dame.(+4)
8.......Florida St..........8...Ole Miss...(+7)
9.......Georgia.............9...Georgia....(NA)
10......USC.................10..Arkansas...(+10)
11......Notre Dame..........11..Tex A&M....(+16)
12......Clemson.............12..UCLA.......(+2)
13......LSU.................13..USC........(-3)
14......UCLA................14..Tennessee..(+11)
15......Ole Miss............15..Oklahoma...(+4)
16......Arizona State.......16..Mich. St...(-10)
17......Georgia Tech........17..Stanford...(+4)
18......Wisconsin...........18..Auburn.....(-11)
19......Oklahoma............19..Clemson....(-7)
20......Arkansas............20..AZ State...(-4)
21......Stanford............21..Fla St.....(-13)
22......Arizona.............22..Miss. St...(+4)
23......Missouri............23..Ga Tech....(-6)
24......Boise State.........24..Mizzou.....(-1)
25......Tennessee...........25..Michigan...(1 vote in coaches poll)
26......Miss. St
27......Tex A&M


Look at the disparity for some of these SEC teams...LSU +9, Ole Miss +7, Arkansas +10, A&M +16!!! Tennessee +11!!! Auburn did move down quite a bit, but I don't think it's a coincidence that all the ACC teams are ranked so much lower (Clemson -7, GT -6, FSU -13!)

Keep in mind that the FPI is a "computer poll" of some sort. So what formula are they using?? What kind of a poll has Arkansas and Tennessee in the top 14, but FLORIDA STATE at 21???

Something else interesting, of the 11 teams that were ranked higher in the FPI than in coaches poll, 7 were SEC teams.

Final disparity between polls by conference (# of spots moved):

ACC......(-26)
Big 10...(-10)
Big 12...(+2)
Pac 12...(-2)
SEC......(+46)

I don't see how anybody could argue that ESPN is unbiased. I think it's safe to say that the real "experts" are the coaches, and not the bozos at ESPN


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Excellent analysis


Posted: Jul 30, 2015 2:07 PM
 

How can the bias even be questioned. Good work 2013


You win the college football preseason ESecPN Is Dumb award!


Posted: Jul 30, 2015 2:15 PM
 

Seriously though, nice work!

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Re: Coach's poll doesn't lie....

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Posted: Jul 30, 2015 2:17 PM
 

I think that this is a good study and definitely an interesting theory and I buy into what you are saying. However, you lose me with "I think it's safe to say that the real "experts" are the coaches". It's known that (1) a lot of coaches just give this to members of the staff to fill out (2) coaches don't have time to evaluate teams that are not on their schedule (3) the coaches poll has had it's own bias because coaches wanted teams on their schedule / in their conference to be ranked higher to improve strength of schedule, this really seams to happen in the Big 10.


well at least i didnt lose you until the end..

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Posted: Jul 30, 2015 2:21 PM
 

What i really meant was that the coaches dont buy into espns garbage

At the end of the day though, nothing from preseason matters at all

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Re: Coach's poll doesn't lie....


Posted: Jul 30, 2015 2:19 PM
 

Nice dude. Hard to argue with that kind of evidence.


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Posted: Jul 30, 2015 2:30 PM
 



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please email this to FoxSports and CFN....


Posted: Jul 30, 2015 2:54 PM
 

I'm sure they'd love to trash the Entertainment of Sports Prostitutes Network.


Re: please email this to FoxSports and CFN....


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 10:39 PM
 

ScottMichaux@augustachronicle needs to see this also. He is a heavy drinker of the espn kool aid. He wrote a blog on 7-28-15 that referenced espn's FPI as evidence of the sec's superiority.


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Posted: Aug 1, 2015 10:13 AM
 

Great analysis. This is receiving the same response on the FSU boards. Thank you!


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Wow, I can't believe how biased the coaches are against

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Posted: Jul 30, 2015 3:03 PM
 

the SEC. :)


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of course, spread the word!!***


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i wish I could give you more than 1 TU for this.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2015 3:10 PM
 

ESPN is such a joke. And they purposely knock the ACC more than any other conference because it is in the same footprint and threatens their mighty SEC the most.

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That definately lies outside the probability of


Posted: Jul 30, 2015 3:25 PM
 

statistical deviation.

No way could that be argued there is no bias in the poll.

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The problem is the ESPN FPI isn't a poll, it's some kind


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 7:15 AM
 

of computer model.


EXACTLY my point...

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Posted: Jul 31, 2015 8:40 AM
 

ESPN comes up with some sort of bogus "computer rankings" that have Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Tennessee in the top 10 and Florida State 21.

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Re: Coach's poll doesn't lie....

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Posted: Jul 30, 2015 5:31 PM
 

Wow. Excellent work. That is truly astonishing. They (Esecpn) shouldn't be allowed to rank teams.


Why not? They don't count towards anything.***


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 7:17 AM
 




Re: Why not? They don't count towards anything.***


Posted: Aug 1, 2015 10:23 AM
 

Because it helps shapes perception


Nice. Crap SEC teams are high and AU is low so the crappers stay ranked come season's end


Posted: Jul 30, 2015 5:52 PM
 

AND so AU can leapfeog the field, plus point back to all their "marquee victories over (HAHA) ranked SEC foes" as the ultimate "reasoning" for why they deserve a spot over the other candidates with identical records.


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Re: Coach's poll doesn't lie....


Posted: Jul 30, 2015 9:51 PM
 

The Coaches poll has added in a layer of bias as well. No way Tennessee or Arkansas or LSU deserve to be in the top 25. Tennessee has done nothing for 10 years. Georgia tech beats Georgia, wins the Orange bowl returns their QB and rbs, and they start out 10 spots behind UGA. That's garbage. What did tech do to drop 10 spots from last years final poll?


ESPiN is an NCAA Orwellian Big Brother.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2015 7:35 AM
 

ESPiN is looking at everybody who has a reasonably large fan base in college football. It plays to the SEC because there is where the biggest chunk of their NCAA-focused money is invested and ESPiN is making sure that's where a larger portion of their RIO comes from. Keeps the stock holders off their azzes.

They are ignoring the butt whipping the SEC has taken in the last MNC game and the SEC's horrible showing during the last bowl season. ESPiN made a deal with the SEC and it's not ESPiN that dropping the ball. They are sticking to good business practices. Those include false advertising, spin doctoring, outright lying, sticking it to the weaker competition and damage control.

Swaying young minds with promises of future NFL glory bothers me the most. Flattering programs and shoving them into the top ten to draw recruits away from other conferences which offer better education thus a more secure financial future for the kids is immoral but it's still good for ESPiN's business.

Of course they influence the coach's and other polls. That how they make their living!

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You need to send this


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 7:13 AM
 

to various news/blog outlets, including SEC_Exposed on twitter. They will run with it.


I have so far...


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 8:41 AM
 

sent it to espn, fox sports, clemson tigers, and others. need some help promoting it...my twitter handle is "@funkbott"

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Nicely done. The fact is that all preseason polls should be


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 7:23 AM
 

labelled worthless, considering our present system via the playoff committee.

The committee should make patently clear that these types of speculation are just that...and actually meaningless and possibly prejudicial.

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Hartins , I have to disagree. The more of these polls that


Posted: Aug 1, 2015 9:38 AM
 

artifically prop up over half of the SEC gives them a running head start over the rest of the schools. Last year, if an SEC school beat a highly ranked SEC school they very quickly jumped to the leader of the pack. TAMU and MISS. ST. for example. But, when the higher ranked SEC school lost to the lower ranked SEC school, the higher ranked team barely dropped. Heck, I think one SEC team that lost to a higher ranked SEC team actually rose a spot, while Clemson, who lost to 4th ranked UGA and barley lost to #1 ranked FSU almost dropped completely out of the polls....And, I also seem to remember the ESPN analysts saying things like," Well, so and so of the SEC did not have their best player when they lost, so that should be considered".....blah, blah,blah...

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DEER CU2013,


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 7:47 AM
 

Please send your exposition to the Playoff Committee. Perhaps they will begin to understand how ESPiN influences their work and how twisted ESPiN's consensus opinion has been. Perhaps suggesting they try to avoid a repeat and falling into the same rut they did last year when they selected SEC teams to play in bowl games they didn't deserve. Surely they will see that they provided skewed rankings base on early season polls influenced by ESPiN from which the bowls selected their participants.

Remind them of the final scores of those bowl games. Here's a link.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls

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I don't think either has any credibility. I don't know

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Posted: Jul 31, 2015 8:22 AM
 

ESPN's methodology, and it's pretty well-known that the coach's just have their assistants fill out the polls each week.


Re: I don't think either has any credibility. I don't know


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 8:43 AM
 

shocking response from this "Clemson" fan.

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Coaches having SID's doing the poll not necessarily bad


Posted: Aug 2, 2015 7:17 PM
 

I imagine most of the SID's follow other teams much more closely than the coaches do. The coaches are too busy worrying about their own team and their next opponent.

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So you're sayin' FSU won't blow Clemson out this year?


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 8:26 AM
 

and that Clemson will blow out SCU this year or it's be kinda close and then Clemson will blow them out again in 2017?

What say we hold a candle-light vigil for Jack Leggett at all home games!

#BringBackJack!.

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Re: Coach's poll doesn't lie....

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Posted: Jul 31, 2015 8:32 AM
 

Damn.....

What you just did to them...



My response...





SEC/ESPN response...



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The coaches poll is way biased towards the SEC also

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Posted: Jul 31, 2015 9:50 AM
 

the FPI is just 10-fold of that. The # of teams from the SEC in the coaches poll is ludicrous and most are well above where they should be or shouldn't be ranked at all. This comes from years of media bias that is ingrained into the subconscious of the the coaches/their SIDs who do the voting.


Great work 2013


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 10:08 AM
 

It'll be interesting to compare this with how the teams finish up this year. I wonder how it would have looked last year vs the way the season ended?

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Re: Coach's poll doesn't lie....


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 11:35 AM
 

you've certainly earned your scholar's rank and then some.have you considered a career in investigative journalism?

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To date....

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Posted: Jul 31, 2015 8:38 PM
 

this is poty!

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Wow, Clemson -7 spots to make way for 5 SEC teams...


Posted: Jul 31, 2015 9:17 PM
 

...that will lose and make bad excuses about having to beat up on each other.

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Well done 2013! TU!***


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