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Clemson should not think about leaving the ACC
Nov 25, 2012, 9:24 PM
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Clemson doesn't have to leave the ACC.
They just cannot afford to schedule OOC games as if they ARE an SEC team.
That is not a slam on the SEC OOC schedule at all. It makes sense for the SEC team to schedule the Florida Atlantics and East Carolinas when you play at least 3 of the top 10 BCS teams every year.
You can not count on that type of tough schedule inside the ACC. So schedule powerhouses outside of the ACC. ####, if they do that, they are in a better position than SEC teams are simply because even if they lose to the powerhouse teams OOC, the losses wont count against them getting to their conference championship game (but will make them toughter because steel sharpens steel).
So Clemson will be playing Notre Dame and FSU in conference. They will play South Carolina and Georgia OOC next year. Get rid of the Citadel next year and try to pick up Stanford, Oregon, Louisville, Oklahoma, or West Virginia. Some team that Clemson can expect to be tough competition and also get them on TV in matchups ESPN loves and that voters would watch.
You don't have to leave the ACC to have a tougher schedule.
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Orange Blooded [2519]
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Clemson should beg to leave the ACC.
Nov 25, 2012, 9:28 PM
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Usuc will continue to get more money than we do yr after yr.
Plus, playing crappy teams every week makes it harder to beat the good ones when you play them.
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Name the ranked teams played in 1980.
Nov 25, 2012, 9:49 PM
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Stop your d@mn whining . Danny Ford never played more than a couple of ranked teams during the season a year.The ACC was crappy then , it's crappy now. Having players, not the tough schedule made Danny's teams better. Looks like someone would have a clue before they make statements that facts don't back up.
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Re: Name the ranked teams played in 1980.
Nov 25, 2012, 10:17 PM
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> Stop your d@mn whining . Danny Ford never played more
> than a couple of ranked teams during the season a
> year.The ACC was crappy then , it's crappy now.
> Having players, not the tough schedule made Danny's
> teams better. Looks like someone would have a clue
> before they make statements that facts don't back up.
Your logic is flawed. I don't disagree with you. You are saying that if Clemson beat FSU and USC, then Clemson would play in the ACCCG possibly beat that team for a chance for an invite to the BCS title game.
That is not the argument.
The thread was started to give an alternative to the thread saying Clemson needs to leave the ACC in order to play tougher competition(with the thinking being that the tougher schedule would prove them to be either a truly good team or not so great team that can identify their weaknesses). Much of the excuses that have been floated here since Saturday is that Clemson recruits well but lacks toughness against tough opponents. There is louder talk of wanting to bolt to the Big East or another conference that will provide stiffer competition than the ACC can provide.
This thread offers a way to play tougher teams wil staying in the ACC.
How is that hard to understand?
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Re: Name the ranked teams played in 1980.
Nov 25, 2012, 10:31 PM
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Interesting thread. For what it's worth, in the early 80's the ACC wasn't great, but it wasn't awful. UNC was in the top ten several years (#8 in '81), Maryland was just as good. And OOC, Georgia was top five every year.
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Re: Clemson should not think about leaving the ACC
Nov 25, 2012, 9:29 PM
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Good luck with that. Most good teams don't want a tough ooc team. If you play in a good conf, patsies work.
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Re: Clemson should not think about leaving the ACC
Nov 25, 2012, 9:33 PM
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That is a good point.
The way I would sell it is that you have to consider the impact of getting ESPN on gameday in matchups of two good teams. That gets into a lot of homes.
Also sell how the game counts toward national rank but not a conference loss.
I am just thinking that at this point, trying to schedule tougher OOC teams would be faster and easier than trying to get out of the ACC right now (and get into a conference of good teams).
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Re: Clemson should not think about leaving the ACC
Nov 25, 2012, 9:34 PM
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First off they will not be playing Notre Dame in conference.The Irish are not a part of the ACC in football.
Secondly,We played West Viginia last year.You remember that little debacle,don't you.ESPN still laughs about that one.
Next,I would hate to see what Oregon would have done to us,especially early in the year.
Oh,and the voters do not give style points for showing up.
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Walk-On [118]
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Re: Clemson should not think about leaving the ACC
Nov 25, 2012, 9:43 PM
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> First off they will not be playing Notre Dame in
> conference.The Irish are not a part of the ACC in
> football.
> Secondly,We played West Viginia last year.You
> remember that little debacle,don't you.ESPN still
> laughs about that one.
> Next,I would hate to see what Oregon would have done
> to us,especially early in the year.
> Oh,and the voters do not give style points for
> showing up.
The thread is in response to those that say the ACC is too weak for Clemson to get better as a team and when they come up against tough competition, they haven't been tested. I am sure you have seen the threads here saying Clemson needs to leave the ACC in order to play a tough schedule year in and year out. Well, here is an alternative to that.
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Orange Blooded [2746]
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Are you for real?***
Nov 25, 2012, 9:39 PM
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Orange Blooded [3135]
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It's all about attracting recruits..
Nov 25, 2012, 9:50 PM
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like it or not, the SEC can recruit based on their name. Kids want the best path to the NFL, the ACC isn't exactly the hot thing outside of FSU and Clemson.
When a SEC coach can guaranty a 5* national exposure in prime time almost every week, the Clemson Duke or Wake Forest matchup doesn't quite do it.
I'm no recruiting expert, but that what most 5*'s want.
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Re: Clemson should not think about leaving the ACC
Nov 25, 2012, 10:14 PM
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Scheduling those tough OOC games is easier said than done. No we don't need to think about getting out of the ACC, we need to get out of the ACC. There is nothing to think about.
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Re: Clemson should not think about leaving the ACC
Nov 25, 2012, 10:53 PM
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The damage done to the ACC's reputation in football may be irreversible. Clemson definitely needs to leave the ACC.
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Shouldn't think about it, they should do it.***
Nov 25, 2012, 11:16 PM
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