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Best ACC out-of-conference wins so far:
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Best ACC out-of-conference wins so far:


Oct 19, 2012, 1:06 PM

According to my rating system

1. UVA over #45 Penn St.
2. Maryland over #70 Temple
3. Clemson over #76 Ball St.

The ACC is 0-9 in OOC games against my Top 40.

Here are the Top 40 OOC records by other conferences:

Big 12: 2-2
Big 10: 2-9
Big East: 2-2
Pac-12: 2-4
SEC: 4-4
MAC: 1-11
MWC: 0-9
Sun Belt: 0-10
C-USA: 0-20
WAC: 0-7

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The ACC stinks, we know***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:07 PM



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What are the 4 SEC OOC wins?***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:08 PM



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Michigan, La Tech, Washington, Arizona State***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:09 PM



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Washington is #52 in my ratings.***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:09 PM



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Re: Washington is #52 in my ratings.***


Oct 19, 2012, 2:47 PM

and what sports expert job do you hold?

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Bama over Michigan, Bama over Western Kentucky


Oct 19, 2012, 1:09 PM [ in reply to What are the 4 SEC OOC wins?*** ]

Missouri over Arizona St., Texas A&M over Louisiana Tech

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western kentucky is a top 40 team?***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:09 PM



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Yes. #34...4-1, 61st in point diff, 54th SOS***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:11 PM



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losing to alabama props them up I bet


Oct 19, 2012, 1:11 PM

if its not too much trouble see what they are if Alabama wasn't on the schedule.

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It is too much trouble.


Oct 19, 2012, 1:12 PM

I doubt they stay in the Top 40. They won last week and dropped three spots.

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So...you're saying WK would beat Clemson? That's a bit


Oct 19, 2012, 1:16 PM [ in reply to Yes. #34...4-1, 61st in point diff, 54th SOS*** ]

of a stretch.

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No, I would not say that at all.


Oct 19, 2012, 1:25 PM

1. Clemson is ranked higher, at #30.

2. Just because a team is ranked higher doesn't mean I think they would win, anyway.

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Sorry - I had seen your rankings earlier and my feeble


Oct 19, 2012, 1:28 PM

memory thought you had them as the last one ranked...and I thought it was a Top40 - must have been a Top30.

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Tennesee over Nc State?***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:11 PM [ in reply to Bama over Michigan, Bama over Western Kentucky ]



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NC State #49***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:11 PM



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Please post *Your* rankings again


Oct 19, 2012, 1:20 PM

It won't change that the ACC is turrible. We can all agree on that.

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As requested:


Oct 19, 2012, 1:24 PM

Rank
Pvs
Team
W-L
PDiff
SOS
13Alabama6-0144
21Oregon5-0252
312Texas Tech4-167
42Notre Dame6-01116
58Kansas St.5-0728
66Florida6-01721
725Oklahoma3-1108
84South Carolina6-1447
914Cincinnati3-0582
109Texas A&M4-1939
1111Georgia5-11341
127Ohio St.7-01665
1318LSU5-11250
1415Oregon St.5-03842
1516Florida St.4-1376
1620USC5-12045
175West Virginia4-15112
1813Stanford4-24410
1917Arizona St.4-1880
2021Iowa St.3-2555
2119Mississippi St.5-02295
2230Michigan4-21553
2310Texas4-23134
2424Louisville5-037103
2533Rutgers5-026112
2634Boise St.5-12881
2723Michigan St.4-34719
2829Louisiana Tech5-119108
2942Iowa3-25222
3032Clemson4-13083
3147TCU4-12591
3249UCLA5-23662
3350Northern Illinois5-118115
3431Western Kentucky4-16154
3537Nebraska3-24537
3645North Carolina4-21498
3727Tulsa5-134102
3856Wisconsin4-24256
3926Arizona2-3802
4036Nevada5-123114
4143Northwestern5-14687
4235Oklahoma St.2-24836
4363Utah St.4-23388
4466Ole Miss3-35333
4544Penn St.4-22796
4654Louisiana-Monroe4-221110
4755UCF4-229107
4851BYU3-33964
4953NC State3-26357
5041Toledo5-141119
5139Fresno St.3-33279
5238Washington2-31004
5328San Jose St.3-25968
5446Purdue2-37117
5552Missouri2-4943
5640Duke4-25492
5773Virginia Tech3-35059
5857Maryland3-26269
5961Miami3-38714
6060Kent St.4-149117
6148Tennessee2-36735
6259Middle Tennessee St.4-140121
6384Arkansas2-4869
6462San Diego St.3-324109
6568California2-46831
6669Louisiana-Lafayette3-143120
6722Baylor2-26463
6864Vanderbilt1-41021
6958Ohio6-035123
7074Temple2-27058
7165Minnesota3-27385
7290Houston3-36093
7371Pittsburgh1-37723
7467Troy3-358100
7585Navy2-39330
7679Ball St.4-374101
7783Indiana1-45649
7882New Mexico3-38167
7993East Carolina3-37686
8076Arkansas St.3-38271
8175Wake Forest2-38843
8287South Florida1-48426
8370Kentucky1-61036
8477Auburn1-59115
8581Georgia Tech1-47251
8694Air Force2-365106
8778Syracuse1-47838
8886Utah1-48924
8980Connecticut3-457116
9097Bowling Green3-375113
91102Texas St.2-38384
9291Washington St.1-59527
9395North Texas1-49929
9488Central Michigan1-411525
95112Rice2-58594
9696Western Michigan2-469118
9798Marshall1-49260
9899Illinois1-511820
9989UAB0-511411
10092Wyoming1-47999
101101Virginia1-510746
102110Southern Miss0-611218
103104UNLV1-59072
10472UTSA2-166124
105103Boston College0-511032
106100Florida Atlantic0-511913
107117Kansas0-510140
108111UTEP1-69670
109108SMU1-410477
110107Miami (OH)2-411789
111106Colorado St.1-510874
112105Army1-497104
113116Florida International1-69897
114118Eastern Michigan0-511648
115113Memphis1-4106111
116109Buffalo0-511355
117114Colorado1-412075
118115South Alabama0-510578
119119Idaho1-512173
120121Tulane1-512266
121120Akron0-6109105
122122Massachusetts0-612390
123124Hawaii0-512461
124123New Mexico St.0-5111122


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Re: As requested:


Oct 19, 2012, 1:26 PM

Dang and I thought the BCS was bad, TT #3, LOL and Clemson in the 30's? Yeah no bias there huh

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What do you mean by "bias"?***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:27 PM



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you are a gamecock fan***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:28 PM



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I guess you can say that. But that's not in the formula.


Oct 19, 2012, 1:30 PM

Which is

normalized win percentage
+
normalized point differential
+
0.5*normalized opponents' win percentage
+
0.5*normalized opponents' point differential
+
0.25*normalized opponents' opponents' win percentage
+
0.25*normalized opponents' opponents' point differential

All against FBS teams, only.

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you forgot 1.0 gamecock fan***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:30 PM



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It's a mathematical formula, of course there's no bias.


Oct 19, 2012, 2:12 PM [ in reply to Re: As requested: ]

That's the whole point.

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I agree with most of that


Oct 19, 2012, 1:32 PM [ in reply to As requested: ]

Take TT & Nati out of the top ten & replace with LSU & Ohio St.

IMO Undervalued: WVU, Miss. St., Clemson, TCU, Northwestern
Overvalued: TT, NATI, Iowa St, Iowa, Nebraska, Oklahoma St, Ole Miss

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I agree with most of those.***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:33 PM



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I hope you didn't quit your day job.


Oct 19, 2012, 1:44 PM [ in reply to As requested: ]

Did you just puke these rankings out?

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No. Spent hours developing the spreadsheet.


Oct 19, 2012, 1:47 PM

And spend lots of time each week updating the data.

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That's pretty interesting right there. I like it.***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:58 PM [ in reply to As requested: ]



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you lost all credibility with uga @ #11. they got hammered


Oct 20, 2012, 6:48 AM [ in reply to As requested: ]

by the only decent team they have played.

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NC state is way better than 49


Oct 19, 2012, 1:24 PM [ in reply to Please post *Your* rankings again ]

They will be no worse than 8-4 this year. But when the SEC's best win is over Michigan, really shouldn't be bashing other conferences record vs OOC. At least the ACC will play tough teams out of conference

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If they go 8-4, they should finish higher than #49.***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:26 PM



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do your rankings take into account margain of victory***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:30 PM



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Yes. 50% is point differential, 50% is win-loss***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:30 PM



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Re: Yes. 50% is point differential, 50% is win-loss***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:37 PM

What does point differential have to do with anything? Ohio st won a national title while barely beating teams. I don't buy into how bad you beat someone. Also your system is highly flawed when you have TT #3 after getting drilled by OU, so how can they be ahead of OU?

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Yeah - I don't know a good alternative, but point


Oct 19, 2012, 1:39 PM

differential can't carry that much weight. Oregon could have won by 60 last night if they wanted to.

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Re: Yes. 50% is point differential, 50% is win-loss***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:40 PM [ in reply to Re: Yes. 50% is point differential, 50% is win-loss*** ]

1. I disagree with point differential being meaningless. Winning games by 35 points usually means you're better than if you win by 3 points. Pure math types would probably say that point differential should be the only thing used, but I compromise, 50/50.

2. Texas Tech is higher than Oklahoma because they have a slightly better record, a better point differential, and a slightly tougher schedule so far.

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OU has beaten Texas and TT and only loss was close to K stat


Oct 19, 2012, 1:44 PM

Who has TT beat besides WV? Also when TT gets beat that badly to OU, no way you can put them ahead of OU when both have one loss.

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Also why is Bama #1? They have beat nor played anyone


Oct 19, 2012, 1:45 PM

K state won at Norman and have much tougher schedule. ND has beaten much better teams than Bama too. If you're going by that logic, then Bama has no right being #1, they have played no one.

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Kansas State has played a tougher schedule...


Oct 19, 2012, 1:48 PM

But have a lower point differential than Alabama, which makes the difference between them.

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Yeah they shoulda beat OU by 50 at Norman


Oct 19, 2012, 1:54 PM

good Lord man

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They might have the #1 spot of they did that.


Oct 19, 2012, 1:55 PM

I don't think they're that good, though. Oklahoma's pretty tough.

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I'm not "putting them ahead"


Oct 19, 2012, 1:46 PM [ in reply to OU has beaten Texas and TT and only loss was close to K stat ]

They have a rating of 3.900, as opposed to 3.513 for Oklahoma.

Texas Tech has beaten Iowa St., who is ranked higher in my ratings than Texas. Texas Tech destroyed WVU, who is also higher than Texas.

I agree with you that Oklahoma is a better team. But I don't alter the math to agree with my opinions.

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Well that's where you're wrong.


Oct 19, 2012, 1:47 PM

You can't play "statistics" with non-normalized data. Garbage in garbage out.

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What do you mean?***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:48 PM



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Team stats vs other teams are meaningless unless all teams


Oct 19, 2012, 1:50 PM

are equal.

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Sorry. I don't follow.***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:50 PM



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Like awarding Bama for beating a bad Ark or Ole miss


Oct 19, 2012, 1:59 PM

badly and punishing K state for winning by less than a TD at Norman, you system is really bad

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Heck if they had your system, teams should just play


Oct 19, 2012, 2:01 PM

Furman type teams and beat them by 50 and they'd be #1

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That's the main reason they took all victory margin


Oct 19, 2012, 2:03 PM

Components out of the BCS computer formulas. But I still think it matters, personally.

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With that ND would just have to schedule cup cakes and they'


Oct 19, 2012, 2:05 PM

would be #1 every year, cause they drilled nobodies.

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Well, let's be honest.


Oct 19, 2012, 2:07 PM

Alabama wouldn't be #1 if they had only played "cupcakes" so far. Their SOS is 44th, which isn't that bad.

Louisiana Tech has an excellent point differential, but are only ranked 19th because their SOS is 108th.

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La tech has played a tougher team to this point than Bama


Oct 19, 2012, 4:18 PM

with A&M. I don't know how Bama has a 44 SOS as they have played no one

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Overall, Alabama's opponents are


Oct 19, 2012, 5:16 PM

15-13 with a 15.67 avg. point differential. (not including their game against Bama)

La Tech's opponents are 11-19 with a -24.5 avg. point differential. (not including their game against LaTech)

So...the numbers say Alabama's schedule has been much tougher.

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I don't really think in terms of "awarding" and "punishing".


Oct 19, 2012, 2:01 PM [ in reply to Like awarding Bama for beating a bad Ark or Ole miss ]

But, OK. I think this is the best I can do, as an amateur. I certainly don't claim that my system is "good". I like discussing it.

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Best way to go is SOS and where thegame is played and who


Oct 19, 2012, 2:03 PM

you beat, margin of Victory means little as you could beat Furman by 70 and get rewarded while K state beats OU by a TD and gets punished.

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I would like to add that FCS games are not counted


Oct 19, 2012, 2:05 PM

In any way in my rating system. As far as my formula goes, those games never happened. I don't have a component for home/road...I haven't thought of a good way to do that.

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But what about playing teams from conference USA or Mac


Oct 19, 2012, 2:07 PM

that stink worse than So Conference teams? Beating Ball st by 100 isn't that great and shouldn't get more points than winning over OU or a major conference team by less points

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There's a balance there...


Oct 19, 2012, 2:10 PM

I don't know what it is. I chose 50/50.

And I don't KNOW that Alabama winning by 40 over Florida Atlantic got them more "points" than KSU beating Oklahoma. My ratings don't deal in awarding "points". It's overall averages. Bama's avg. point differential in FBS games is 33.0. Kansas State's is 20.8. Those are the numbers that are used as the point differential component (normalized to a Z-score, of course).

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But of course Bama is going to have a higher


Oct 19, 2012, 4:20 PM

point difference as they have played cup cakes all year. K state's schedule is much tougher, so no way they have a higher difference. Sorry but your rating scale is very bad

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Feel free to try it yourself and do better.


Oct 19, 2012, 5:16 PM

It's fun.

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The B1G not exactly setting the world on fire either.


Oct 19, 2012, 1:36 PM

The ACC and B1g have played more OCC top 40 games than other bcs leagues.

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Nope. Big 12, SEC, and Pac-12 are a cut above the rest


Oct 19, 2012, 1:37 PM

At least according to this rating system. ACC and Big Ten had opportunities, but lost just about all of them.

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Notre Dame over Stanford***


Oct 19, 2012, 1:37 PM



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I think he's talking about the ACC. ******


Oct 19, 2012, 1:40 PM



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acc has played better non conf opponents that any other


Oct 19, 2012, 1:39 PM

conf

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Better than any BCS conference, except the Pac-12


Oct 19, 2012, 1:42 PM

According to my ratings.

OOC Strength of schedules

1. C-USA
2. Independents
3. Pac-12
4. Sun Belt
5. ACC
6. Big Ten
7. Mountain West
8. SEC
9. MAC
10. Big East
11. Big 12
12. WAC

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I think the idea that the ACC is down this year has been


Oct 19, 2012, 1:39 PM

met with mostly agreement on this message board.

I can't believe our Ball State win is more impressive than our Auburn win. Yikes, Auburn. What happened to you?

ACC teams need to take care of business OOC and they just haven't. We have another round of opportunities at the end of the season. South Carolina vs Clemson and Florda vs. FSU will both be big-time match-ups between highly ranked SEC and ACC opponents. Georgia vs GT will also be a good showcase. Then of course there are the bowl games. I'm not overly-optimistic that the ACC bowl teams will be strong enough to make any statements but eventually that has to start happening.

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I think Clemson and FSU get huge wins


Oct 19, 2012, 1:42 PM

vs the SEC this year as both games are at home

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ACC definitely has good opportunities left.***


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Your time management skills are excellent


Oct 19, 2012, 2:20 PM

Hanging out on your rivals board and executing this excellent system of ranking teams. I can't believe you are not consulted about the BC Championship Series.

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LOL. Yeah, I have too much free time.***


Oct 19, 2012, 2:21 PM



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Re: Best ACC out-of-conference wins so far:


Oct 19, 2012, 2:42 PM

So Auburn is 84th and lost by 2 points to LSU, and SUC is 8th and lost by 2 points to LSU????? I guess LSU is NOT the benchmark team that they used to be.

Okie-dokie.

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Re: Best ACC out-of-conference wins so far:


Oct 19, 2012, 2:46 PM

and scar's is???

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Clemson has NO control over how those other ACC teams


Oct 19, 2012, 4:25 PM

do outside the conference and, as such, I fail to see why we should give a doo-doo

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Re: Best ACC out-of-conference wins so far:


Oct 19, 2012, 10:24 PM

I dont know why everybody bi..hes so much about the ACC. It is actually the perfect conference to win the national title out of. It is strong enough to get you into the national title game if you have an undefeated season, but it is not so tough that you will get destroyed in conference play. Thats how it should work anyway but we cant manage to go undefeated in the ACC. I think when we run the table and get left out of a national title game we would then have something to bit.h about. Until then, pointless.

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