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I'm impressed
Feb 21, 2018, 1:43 PM
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Putting aside the content of their demands, much of which I probably disagree with, it's encouraging to me to see young people, who have been deeply affected by tragic events, step up to do what is in their power to make a difference, in a peaceful and mature way. I haven't watched any news, but reading articles and quotes, there is a striking articulateness and wisdom coming from many of them.
They are putting us adults to shame.
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Re: I'm impressed
Feb 21, 2018, 6:04 PM
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You are wrong MemphisCat. I cannot for the life of me understand someone so willing to believe every hair-brained, tin foil hat conspiracy that comes down the pike.
You need help my friend, you really do.
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LOL, this is so silly. Congratulating kids from
Feb 21, 2018, 1:59 PM
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taking a day off from school and saying eff you to authority...
Doesn't take much to be pat on the back these days.
You have to know there are outside agitators here. We saw plenty of calls from twitter socialists asking kids to do this. How much of a sacrifice do you think it is to walk out from school if you know a big portion of the country is going to pat you on the back for it?
What a madhouse.
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I don't know anything about "outside agitators".
Feb 21, 2018, 2:08 PM
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I guess one can just believe that if they want to. I don't know why one would want to. This is a good thing. Let's encourage young people to do good things. They're getting more education doing this than a day in school would afford. And I believe they have the support of their teachers and administrators, for the most part. If they got no problem, I got no problem. You take a week "off," and that may be a little much.
It doesn't make much sense to me why someone would want to poo-poo this kind of civic involvement. I suspect is mainly has to do with disagreement over the content of their involvement.
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Don't worry, he doesn't either***
Feb 21, 2018, 3:35 PM
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I'm pretty sure that's a future event.
Feb 21, 2018, 3:50 PM
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Next month.
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But you do see there is obvious outside agitation going on.
Feb 21, 2018, 3:58 PM
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You think this particular school has no connection to all the "adults" who have been organizing and exhorting kids to specifically walk out of school? It's not organic.
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Re: Really? You don't think so? Click here.
Feb 21, 2018, 5:31 PM
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So you don't support any issue for which a special interest group exists?
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where did that come from? I dont even understand how
Feb 22, 2018, 11:00 AM
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you came to the point of asking me that.
I’m simply saying that the idea that these kids came up with this on their own seems far fetched to me. It’s a form of contrived slactivism.
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Re: where did that come from? I dont even understand how
Feb 22, 2018, 11:31 AM
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You rag on special interests and lobbyists so much that you seem to have an issue with them.
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I didn’t rag on them. I said they were relevant to the
Feb 22, 2018, 11:44 AM
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walkout. They have influenced it. That does not mean I am against interest groups.
I’m not sure it’s possible to be against all special interest groups. Everyone has interests.
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No one is more directly affected by this issue
Feb 21, 2018, 2:16 PM
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Than this demographic. I'm glad we're hearing from them.
The President is having a listening session, perhaps as I'm typing this. This is a good thing.
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Because every time this happens, there is an immeasurable
Feb 21, 2018, 2:18 PM
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amount of talk, but a minuscule amount of listening.
(Sorry for replying to myself...I guess I should wait longer to hit "Post", since I normally think of more to say.)
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It's slacktivism. What are they really doing?
Feb 21, 2018, 3:28 PM
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Should demonstrations by children really influence our laws?
What exactly do they want? Can anyone give me anything specific?
This is so nebulous it has no real meaning.
What exactly am I supposed to want to happen as a result of this?
Is a golf clap enough?
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Well, I'm hoping that they are showing their legislators
Feb 21, 2018, 3:29 PM
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That this is extremely important to them, and I hope that that results in the legislators taking legislative action: introducing bills, debating, and passing laws, as necessary.
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Thanks for the answer. That was my point.
Feb 21, 2018, 3:41 PM
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Well, I'm hoping that they are showing their legislators that this is extremely important to them, and I hope that that results in the legislators taking legislative action: introducing bills, debating, and passing laws, as necessary.
So, did they not think it was an important issue before? Do students walking out change that? Are they not already debating laws and introducing bills? NOTHING changed because of the walk-out.
When I went to Irmo High School (for a portion of a year), the Indigo Girls were supposed to play at the school. When someone on the school board found and some parents found out they were gay, they cancelled the concert. I didn't care at all. But I heard there was a skip-day/walkout protest. So, I skipped school. Why? Because I wanted the day off. At the time I actually agreed with the homophobic decision. Do I deserve a pat on the back?
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Re: Thanks for the answer. That was my point.
Feb 21, 2018, 3:43 PM
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"So, did they not think it was an important issue before? Do students walking out change that? Are they not already debating laws and introducing bills?"
I think these students would probably answer these questions: No, Hopefully, and No.
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Children? A year or two from serving in the military?
Feb 21, 2018, 11:32 PM
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These are the most pure, unadulterated voices you will hear in America today. Sit back and listen - this is the most powerful statement I have seen in my 67 years and I WELCOME THEM! Thank goodness I'm not hearing from a 70+ year old narcissist who is completely and utterly out of his league. I am not hearing from some clown like Lindsey Graham whose position changes month to month. You are hearing from people whose entire future is ahead of them and you know who they are speaking for? Do you know what voice you are hearing? You are hearing voices from the grave. The voices of 17 dead classmates.
Listen and learn. Or sit around and spew your BS on the internet. Your choice.
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Is everbody on acid? What the eff did I just read?
Feb 22, 2018, 11:42 AM
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I feel like I’m in the 90s movie where the kids become the parents, teachers and the politicians. And everything magically gets better because of the purity of children. And I’m like the crotchety old villain.
I’m guessing you don’t have a lot of recent experience with teenagers. Pure is not the first adjective that comes to mind. They need guidance. I promise.
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Kind of disagree. I see it as lashing out.
Feb 21, 2018, 2:39 PM
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And, since they're high school aged kids, I see it as the kind of lashing out typically done by people who are uninformed, but who think they know it all.
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I did add the caveat that I haven't watched anything...
Feb 21, 2018, 2:41 PM
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I can't see their faces, hear their voices. But the quotes I was reading seemed well-reasoned, and controlled, though firm.
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There's one guy in particularly who's been on...
Feb 21, 2018, 2:45 PM
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Hogg, or something. He was apparently really into journalism, so it makes sense that he's very articulate. He also had apparently made a bunch of liberal-leaning social media posts before all this.
Anyway, when young people- and, very likely, anybody- are rushed into the public eye to make policy arguments immediately after a tragedy, it always seems exploitative and likely to be more about amplifying knee-jerk reactions than anything else.
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I'd imagine had I just been shot at while in high school
Feb 21, 2018, 2:57 PM
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I'd be making some pretty knee jerk reactions as well.
Maybe we should just trade off their high school uniforms for kevlar vests and hope for no head shots.
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My first inclination probably wouldn't be to go on TV
Feb 21, 2018, 3:04 PM
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And, especially, probably wouldn't be to go on TV to make controversial policy arguments. I'm not begrudging these kids their opinions, but take a little time to yourself.
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Different people react to stuff differently.
Feb 21, 2018, 3:05 PM
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I've never been shot at in a "I'm trying to kill you" manner, much less with no way to defend myself from it.
I'm not sure what I'd do.
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Me neither, but...
Feb 21, 2018, 3:10 PM
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I lived in the DC area when there was a sniper randomly shooting people in the area, and when people ran a plane into the Pentagon. A student at my HS's father was killed at the Pentagon, and I knew a few people pretty well who were supposed to be there that morning but were either late or out of the office for another reason. Nobody reacted to that stuff by engaging in activism or walking out of school.
I also knew lots of people who went to VT when that guy shot the place up. I recall it being brought up in class either the day of or the day after it happened, and people wanting to talk about it abstractly, which was sort of galling to me.
I find it strange to have the impulse to make this video while the shooting was going on (this is the guy who's sort of been the leader of the students): http://www.latimes.com/visuals/video/95939817-132.html
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Well, clearly...
Feb 21, 2018, 3:31 PM
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having lived in a city with millions of people that one time when some dood was shooting them one at a time is the same as finding yourself another statistic in a repeated pattern of death in schools around America.
I can see how that probably gave you great insight into watching your friends bleed out.
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It was personal enough...
Feb 21, 2018, 3:34 PM
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that the HS wouldn't let us go outside while the guy was at large, and we had to move sporting events to unpublicized locations. I clearly pointed out that's not the same thing as being in this high school while this happened, but I would imagine that only would heighten the way I felt about what was going on.
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We'll have to agree to disagree
Feb 21, 2018, 3:48 PM
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It's like saying you know what your buddy being injured in a war is like because of a bb gun fight you had as a kid were a guy got really bad welt.
I just don't see how one really touches on the other in any real way. Especially as an argument to shore up a point of view that you know how kids SHOULD react to watching and hearing their friends gunned down.
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That would not be my first inclination, either.
Feb 21, 2018, 3:36 PM
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I am not that type of person, to want to be out front leading.
But we need people, of all ages, who can be that kind of person.
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Good Lord...
Feb 21, 2018, 3:24 PM
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I'm not saying that they should be the ones making the rules, but what they have been through should get them heard at the very ficking least.
Y'all are some cold-hearted ###### up in here.
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Re: Good Lord...
Feb 21, 2018, 3:27 PM
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It's pretty typical tribalism. Age is a common way that people classify themselves for the purposes of feeling superior to someone else. "oh, young people know nothing, I'm automatically superior because I'm 40."
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Having been young, and now old
Feb 21, 2018, 3:31 PM
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I heard a lot more younger people who thought they were smarter
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Tigernet has been a pretty good indicator over the years...
Feb 21, 2018, 7:35 PM
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That age doesn't always amount to wisdom.
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Who said they shouldn't be heard?
Feb 21, 2018, 3:36 PM
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Lots of people actually seem to think that they SHOULD be the ones making the rules. And, personally, if I was their parents, I think I'd probably caution them against going on TV and would feel pretty indignant about the media circus.
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They are being used by interest groups. It's not organic.***
Feb 21, 2018, 3:46 PM
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How do you know this?
Feb 21, 2018, 3:53 PM
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How do you know that the kids would not have formulated this on their own? More than that, how do you know that it is a bad thing to tell these kids, "Hey, if you don't like it, try and do something about it?"
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There are thousands of students marching today...
Feb 21, 2018, 3:56 PM
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I can't know what's in the head of any of them. Are a majority of them going because they got a call from a special interest group? It seems rather far-fetched.
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Doesn't mean it's inorganic
Feb 21, 2018, 4:48 PM
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Obviously, though, these groups are once again capitalizing on events.
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There is evidence all over the place. Its not a big deal.
Feb 22, 2018, 10:56 AM
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https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/Re-How-do-you-know-this-23169086
Not sure why people are having such a hard time believing that there are organizations out there who have been calling for this and working to make it happen for years. It finally caught on.
It’s not even a big enough deal to call it “disgraceful.”
Everything is always being manipulated by loud-mouthed interest groups all the time.
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No***
Feb 22, 2018, 10:51 AM
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I'm with you on this Prodigal
Feb 21, 2018, 2:49 PM
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I'm giving them and you a thumbs up.
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Re: I'm impressed
Feb 21, 2018, 3:01 PM
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I completely agree with you. It's great when young people build on the progress of those who came before them. History doesn't teach about people who kept things the same. Anything we can do to encourage them to get involved in the world around them we should do.
I see a lot of hope behind me.
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History doesn't teach about people who kept things the same
Feb 21, 2018, 3:04 PM
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Thats just not true at all. Some of the chitiest leaders in history didn't change anything while they lead.
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Sort of a silly progressive cliche
Feb 21, 2018, 3:06 PM
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Like, "well-behaved women rarely make history." Really? I'd say the people who make history are likely to have been the best-behaved. And many people who weren't so well behaved ended up making history for all the wrong reasons.
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YEAH!!!
Feb 21, 2018, 3:27 PM
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GO SIT WHERE YOU WERE TOLD TO ROSA PARKS!!!!
signed kimchee
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The point is, it's question begging
Feb 21, 2018, 3:38 PM
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What behavior are we talking about? But people use that quote to say that breaking the rules is always a good thing, or that non-conformity is good just because it breaks the rules.
It's also twisting the meaning of word "well/"good, which shouldn't be interpreted only as "quiet" or not making waves. Well-behaved/good behavior ought to mean being exemplary of the highest standards.
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But for most people the context of that quote is
Feb 21, 2018, 3:50 PM
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that when someone tells you a rule prevents you from doing something you should have a right to do, and for no good reason, breaking the rule is the way to change the rule.
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Except it's used to so often as to be mundane
Feb 21, 2018, 3:53 PM
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Very few of these people have anything preventing them from doing anything they have a right to do.
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maybe they see the immediacy of the situation?
Feb 21, 2018, 4:53 PM
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knowing that if they don't do anything now, they will be ignored until the next mass shooting.
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Well, dang, this was a response to the "inorganic" posts
Feb 21, 2018, 4:55 PM
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oops
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Yes, that's also possible
Feb 21, 2018, 5:13 PM
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Sometimes people are only motivated to do much when there's a crisis. On the other hand, crises often spark overreactions or ineffectual salves. The only real proposals I've heard so far have been banning assault rifles (which doesn't seem worthwhile to me) and banning bump stocks (which wouldn't have addressed this situation, or most of the ones that have happened).
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I get that, but it's so hard to move the needle
Feb 21, 2018, 5:32 PM
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on any issue, let alone guns (which is pretty much THE conservative issue nowadays), that it's pretty much the only chance at getting the issue addressed at all in politics.
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I just copied what he said
Feb 21, 2018, 3:30 PM
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I don't agree with it.
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Re: History doesn't teach about people who kept things the same
Feb 21, 2018, 3:23 PM
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Bad leaders tend to change things for the worse, don't they? Hitler certainly changed things.
When we talk about historical figures, we primarily focus on what they changed. There's very little reason someone should be known for doing something the way it had always been done. The less someone accomplished, the less history mentions them.
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So you're saying any memtion is noteworthy?
Feb 21, 2018, 3:29 PM
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regardless of the change?
As you said, Hitler is talked bout a lot. Was that good?
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Re: So you're saying any memtion is noteworthy?
Feb 21, 2018, 3:40 PM
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I didn't say all change is good. However, "fewer dead kids" seems like a worthy goal, doesn't it?
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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You're bouncing all over the place***
Feb 21, 2018, 3:42 PM
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Heisman Winner [119709]
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Hey IE, dont criticize, he's the smartest, most informed
Feb 21, 2018, 3:56 PM
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person on the planet....
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CU Guru [1405]
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Re: Hey IE, dont criticize, he's the smartest, most informed
Feb 21, 2018, 5:32 PM
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I love how much I get under your skin and that you're too big a creep to hide it.
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CU Guru [1405]
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Legend [15492]
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Re: I'm impressed
Feb 21, 2018, 6:05 PM
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I agree with you Pridigal. It reminds me of the Vietnam War protests back in the day.
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Legend [15492]
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Re: I'm impressed
Feb 21, 2018, 6:06 PM
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I agree with you Prodigal. It reminds me of the Vietnam War protests back in the day.
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All-In [35541]
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Is this a post about kids eating tide pods?***
Feb 22, 2018, 9:27 AM
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