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For all the intellectual giants who talk about socialism,
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For all the intellectual giants who talk about socialism,


Feb 14, 2019, 12:25 PM

Here is the actual definition. Notice no one on the Democrat side advocates for any of this...
ps. Hannity is not god.

so·cial·ism Dictionary result for socialism
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noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, More
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, More
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

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"or regulated" is new. And that's exactly what


Feb 14, 2019, 12:43 PM

we do really. ("Or" being key, and not "and") I noticed you took the definition Google spit out to you. It is INCORRECT, NEW, and CHANGED. Most likely to make it broader and more palatable to Americans. No citation is given for Google's definition (https://www.google.com/search?q=socialism+definition&oq=socialism+definition&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3271j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) despite being very different from the definition that is decades old. Look to the right and Wikipedia has yet another "new" definition. Change the term and make it broader, and more palatable. Same thing that changed global warming into climate change. Check out how many times Wikipedia's socialism page has been edited https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Socialism&offset=&limit=500&action=history .

Let's try Webster. I'll even provide a link because I'm like that. It is VERY different from what Google told you. It is also the same definition as when I was in high school.

It doesn't take an "intellectual giant" to note differences and changes in definitions. Just a smidgen of reading comprehension is all that's needed. Most 8th graders could tell you the Google, Wikipedia, and Webster definitions are profoundly different.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

socialism noun
so·?cial·?ism | \ ?s?-sh?-?li-z?m \
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership AND administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned AND controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

And for the record, I absolutely noticed what you said. But they do since the definition is broader now. They DO NOT support my decades-old definition. That definition has to be changed to make socialism a selling point to millennials. If they saw the real definition, they'd balk.


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oops***


Feb 14, 2019, 1:03 PM



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If she's a hollerer, she'll be a screamer.
If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


I swear to Jeebus that Google is gonna get tired of


Feb 14, 2019, 1:08 PM [ in reply to "or regulated" is new. And that's exactly what ]

just regulating information and come out and declare sovereignty. Who's gonna stop the Republic of Googleland?

As for the Webster's definition, it seems to emphasize Felix's point. Nobody wants that shid, not even the libbiest of libruls.

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I'm just ticked they didn't even source their "definition"


Feb 14, 2019, 1:57 PM

Usually Google has the source when you search for something and you get their best answer first at top-center. Click that link and you see what Google just put in front of you, from the source.

Anyway, whatever. I saw the definition was off. Webster has it right, as I've known it for 30+ years. The Google definition is vastly different in very fundamental ways.

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It's just a scare word used as a cheap frightening tactic...


Feb 14, 2019, 2:52 PM [ in reply to I swear to Jeebus that Google is gonna get tired of ]

And a straw man in its finest form.

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Currently? No ...there is a full on movement on the left....


Feb 14, 2019, 9:02 PM

Identifying themselves or their ideals as democratic socialist. Don't think you can blame this one on Trump.

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Re: Currently? No ...there is a full on movement on the left....


Feb 16, 2019, 10:35 AM

I believe (and just a belief) that those numbers are fewer than we think and it's just lip service to get votes.

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What good is a straw man?


Feb 16, 2019, 4:11 PM [ in reply to It's just a scare word used as a cheap frightening tactic... ]

When you idealists have no implementation plan.

-Doc

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Re: I swear to Jeebus that Google is gonna get tired of


Feb 14, 2019, 11:55 PM [ in reply to I swear to Jeebus that Google is gonna get tired of ]



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Re: "or regulated" is new. And that's exactly what


Feb 14, 2019, 1:19 PM [ in reply to "or regulated" is new. And that's exactly what ]

Ouch...That’s going to leave a mark.

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can you cite evidence about global warming->climate change


Feb 14, 2019, 2:58 PM [ in reply to "or regulated" is new. And that's exactly what ]

I've seen you post that idea before and I'm curious why you think it's true.

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Re: "or regulated" is new. And that's exactly what


Feb 14, 2019, 6:48 PM [ in reply to "or regulated" is new. And that's exactly what ]

There is no conspiracy here, I just posted the first definition I came across.

My point is that a lot of people on here are throwing the word 'socialism' around while clearly not knowing what it actually means.

They tend to just regurgitate Hannity or Ingraham on the subject.

YEAH! THEY WANT TO TURN 'MURICA INTO VENEZUELA AND SOCIALISM AND STUFF..!

It truly freaks me out how many people actually give credence to those two.

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So is Google evidently. Not just around here.***


Feb 14, 2019, 8:51 PM



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The dictionary is the worst place to go for this


Feb 14, 2019, 1:23 PM

You need to read the actual theorists and politicians.

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Any books you recommend?***


Feb 16, 2019, 6:23 PM



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Can we talk about "Democratic Socialism" then?....


Feb 14, 2019, 2:00 PM

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/That-actually-sounds-like-the-same-kind-of-mental-23862182

I've linked to the Democratic Socialists of America web page in the above reply and can't seem to get you to comment on the points I raised. Maybe that isn't a good source for what the term means and what people who say they believe in this really stand for. If it isn't, what is?

Care to engage now?

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Felix?***


Feb 14, 2019, 9:04 PM



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The word socialism has been savaged by misuse.


Feb 14, 2019, 2:03 PM

Just like "racism," and "liberal," the words have detached from their earlier meaning.

The debate on socialism isn't whether or not it is good or bad.

Everyone wants some.

The debate is over how much is too much? And how smart is it for the federal government to be given the reigns.

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It's basically boiled down to this now...


Feb 14, 2019, 2:15 PM

From right-wing extremists or Trumpies:

"If your views don't agree with mine, it's gotta be socialism!"

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Of course. By that definition, government regulations


Feb 14, 2019, 2:22 PM

are examples of socialism already in place. See, it's not that far of a reach to understand we're already socialists in America. So go ahead and embrace it.

Honestly I fear our structural change to a democracy from a republic far more than whatever ideology we pursue as a democracy. No matter what it is, we will fail.

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I think it's a stretch to say...


Feb 14, 2019, 2:51 PM

Government regulations altogether represents socialism. There are elements put in place to protect the public as well, and that's technically one of the jobs of any government, right? To keep the government safe.

Some could argue a government funded military is socialism under that guise. I reject that idea. Do we have some socialistic elements in place? Of course. But I also reject the idea that we have anyone in an key position of power pushing us to a true socialist government.

After all, there are too many corporations buying our politicians on both sides to let that happen.

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That sounds very similar to "If you don't agree with Obama


Feb 14, 2019, 11:56 PM [ in reply to It's basically boiled down to this now... ]

you're a racist".

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It does.


Feb 15, 2019, 6:49 AM

And that was an equally stupid statement by Obama supporters.

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Re: That sounds very similar to "If you don't agree with Obama


Feb 15, 2019, 7:27 AM [ in reply to That sounds very similar to "If you don't agree with Obama ]

Off topic, but I have a question. Serious question that I don't have the answer, but it sounds racist. Was it racist when some Repubs openly said Obama was a secret Muslim, who wasn't even born here, who doesn't like white people? In hindsight it sounds so crazy. I wonder if those comments were racist or just partisan politics getting carried away.

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Stop the butt-hurt


Feb 16, 2019, 4:06 PM [ in reply to It's basically boiled down to this now... ]

-Doc

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I've been wrong two times, but this isn't one of them.


Was the TVA a good kind of socialism?


Feb 14, 2019, 11:47 PM

Brought reliable electricity and flood control to a massive, mostly rugged area that had none, at a time when malaria was still rampant. Many politicians were opposed to it back when it was proposed because it was too,socialist. Ironically Obama tried to privatize it but the Republicans wanted to keep it in federal control. Strange abuse of stereotypes.

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Re: For all the intellectual giants who talk about socialism,


Feb 15, 2019, 8:23 AM

“...by the community as a whole”. This is referring to the government. There’s a long history of socialism’s failures around the world, every time producing the same result: impoverished citizens. It’s all about concentration of govt power. Someday people will wise up and stop trying to replace what’s working with something that “sounds good”.

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Care to talk about the U.S.S R.?


Feb 16, 2019, 4:09 PM

That's reality. Not the idealist bream eggs that you are marketing as caviar.

-Doc

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