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Campus Update: WATCH: CBS News on Tucker Hipps
Sep 25, 2014, 9:17 AM
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CU Medallion [64519]
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I am very disappointed in Clemson's VP for Student Affairs
Sep 25, 2014, 9:44 AM
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Gail DiSabatino.
The untimely death of Tucker Hipps is tragic but to use this isolated and completely unrelated incident to overly scrutnize all of Clemson's Greek letter organizations is deplorable and completely unmerited.
Gail DiSabatino has long been accused of being anti-Greek. The unprecedented knee-jerk decision to order all Greek letter organizations to cut short their pledge processes or face censure from the University certainly seems to support that contention.
If hazing is a problem; address it at the source, but taking the juggernaut approach where a fraternity’s future depends on whether or not someone has their feeling hurt to any degree is absurd. Proceeding to punish everyone for the actions of a few is even worse.
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110%er [6320]
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I have never gotten it.
Sep 25, 2014, 9:59 AM
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I went into the Navy out of HS and then went to college and never saw the usefulness of frats. My best friend at Clemson was Sigma Chi, and I hung out with them a lot, but never saw the need for it.
Every time you hear about a fraternity it is usually associated with something negative that brings bad press for the university. Not saying they do not do anything good, but when a fraternity is in the national news, it is not for a soup kitchen they started.
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CU Medallion [64519]
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That's because the media ONLY reports the negative news***
Sep 25, 2014, 10:06 AM
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Re: That's because the media ONLY reports the negative news***
Sep 25, 2014, 10:28 AM
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so tell us what you think they do that is useful and not what you THINK the media is doing! imo they are nothing but social clubs that try to separate themselves for their own benefit. we all know they haze for initiations and if you try to deny that you are not being honest with yourself. do they get out of line? that is the question that is being investigated. should it be questioned because of a death or injury? absolutely! why do think many have been banned or sanctioned?
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CU Medallion [64519]
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You were obviously not part of a Greek letter organization..
Sep 25, 2014, 10:51 AM
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because I can tell you that I am not aware of any fraternity or sorority that hazes as part of its actual "initiation".
In fact, the actual initiations or "rituals" which are unique to each organization are quite meaningful and symbolic often requiring the candidates to, among other things; maintain the highest personal, moral, and scholastic standards at all times, abide by a strict code of conduct defined by its National organization, and abide by federal, state and college regulations.
I'm not implying that hazing doesn't take place during some of the pledge process and when it does occur, there should be strong repercussions for those involved but you don't punish an entire group because of the actions of a limited few.
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Re: That's because the media ONLY reports the negative news***
Sep 25, 2014, 11:03 AM
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Greek letter organizations do more hours of charity work per year than any other such group of affiliated organizations.
Ask any local charity in Clemson how they feel about greek life and how negatively it would impact them to lose the volunteer hours and donations they get from greek letter organizations.
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Dude, bros will take you with your C-average Business Admin
Sep 25, 2014, 10:08 AM
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degree and hook you up with a most excellent job. You can play golf as much as you want and have a closet full of Vineyard Vines/Southern Tide/Southern Pointe overpriced shirts.
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Re: Dude, bros will take you with your C-average Business Admin
Sep 25, 2014, 10:14 AM
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Members of a Fraternity at Clemson have a higher average GPA than those who aren't in a Fraternity
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Orange Blooded [4025]
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frats have great test files..at least in early 80's.
Sep 25, 2014, 10:41 AM
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but they certainly aren't all irresponsible, spoiled rich kids..conversely, stats are stats..a statistically significant higher percentage of alcohol-fueled bad incidents from frat members.
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Re: You should have a higher average...
Sep 25, 2014, 11:22 AM
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This isn't the 1980's. The University has its own online test bank anyone is free to look at. Teachers also put their previous exams online for students view before they take their test. Fraternities and sororities also contribute more than any other organizations to philanthropies. As for the alcohol violations, when many of T-net posters where at Clemson these actions wouldn't be considered a violation, and underage drinking would be a non-issue.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Since when are test banks illegal?
Sep 25, 2014, 11:28 AM
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Any student organization could pool its resources and save old tests. Several club sports teams and other clubs have test banks as well.
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I nor Son belonged @ CU but he did @ UGaLaw and
Sep 25, 2014, 10:23 AM
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I never heard what he/they did as a group.
While @ game together @ Chapel Hill he dropped by his order to say hello, check out their beautiful 2-story mansion (full of oriental rugs on hardwoods) & to down a cool bruskie (I suspect).
I do feel that some fraternities party & drink tOO much..or appear to when seen having their private fun gatherings on campus during football games.
GoTiGERs!
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My frat was fighting for my country, maybe you've heard of
Sep 28, 2014, 11:43 PM
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it. Veteran, you may not understand, but THAT is a brotherhood. You pay with lives and blood, not momma and daddies money.
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She's always had it out for the fraternities
Sep 25, 2014, 10:07 AM
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Not saying that some scrutiny isn't warranted here, but I remember IFC's difficulties with her back when I was in school.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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She crippled the Georgia Tech greek system
Sep 25, 2014, 11:11 AM
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and came here to do the same.
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Re: I am very disappointed in Clemson's VP for Student Affairs
Sep 25, 2014, 1:25 PM
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Punishing all fraternities means that they will regulate themselves. Football teams do it all the time.
Dabo did it the Lakip in practice this week .... if he missed a FG the entire team would run wind sprints.
Strong at Texas did it this year, if a player misses a class he runs, if he misses a second the position group runs, misses a third his coach has to run with the position group....
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Re: I am very disappointed in Clemson's VP for Student Affairs
Sep 25, 2014, 2:13 PM
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I completely agree. Bad timing at the very least. Bringing this negative national attention to Clemson during the time of this tragic death when all indications are that it was completely unrelated to hazing only hurts Clemson when the Clemson family is already in pain. Deal with the fraternity issues without the national spotlight as I'm sure Clemson's greek system is certainly no worse than most schools.
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Graduated CU in 1990
Sep 25, 2014, 1:42 PM
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Never would have met my best friend or my wife if I had not pledged the fraternity that I did.
Best friend for going on 30 years, and still married to my wife after 18+.
Fraternities, like anything, are largely what you make of them.
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Re: Graduated CU in 1990
Sep 26, 2014, 11:24 AM
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A lot of people on here would say you paid for your best friend and wife. (I'm not one of them)
But even if so I bet you'd say they were worth every penny.
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