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All-In [30593]
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Big XII divisional nugget...
Jun 7, 2012, 9:57 AM
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I said the other day that divisions are already being discussed regarding the new Big XII, at 12 teams.
The two getting the most support, right now, are:
1. North/South setup with CU/FSU and Texas schools in the South.
2. East/West setup with CU/FSU/WVU/KSU/KU/ISU in the East.
There are pro's and con's with the second one. First, it doesn't seem to be very balances with OU/UT/OSU in one... but that's debateable b/c you have FSU/CU/WVU in one as well.
Secondly, others thing going East/West favors more eastward and southern expansion in the future.
There are, however, many other scenarios being discussed as well.
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So when is the spaceship landing and taking us all away?***
Jun 7, 2012, 10:00 AM
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Already Happened to some
Jun 7, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Franc has not posted
DSP has vanished
LBU - last was heard from him was "Please let me bring my Cher 45's"
And Johnny Boy has changed his Tigernet Handle to YorkTiger..so that explains that.
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I think East/West would work best***
Jun 7, 2012, 10:04 AM
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Re: I think East/West would work best***
Jun 7, 2012, 4:44 PM
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agree!! that would be best
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Any division will do, just get us off the sinking ship.***
Jun 7, 2012, 10:06 AM
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Re: Any division will do, just get us off the sinking ship.***
Jun 7, 2012, 2:21 PM
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York, I really hope you are right about all this
Jun 7, 2012, 10:07 AM
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We can't afford to stay in the ACC.
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point for the scoreboard pic***
Jun 7, 2012, 10:39 AM
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Either scenario sucks for you
Jun 7, 2012, 10:12 AM
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Living in OK, I'd assume you'd prefer to see Clemson somehow placed in the same division with OU and OSU so they would play each other annually.
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FSU wants to be in a division with either UT or OU...
Jun 7, 2012, 10:16 AM
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That could play in our favor.
Another one thrown out has been CU/FSU/WVU/OU/OSU/ISU.
Also scenarios where we are not in division with FSU... but that's a longshot.
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110%er [7913]
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if we could get into the same division at Texas
Jun 7, 2012, 10:19 AM
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that could help recruiting tremendously....still play FSU with Florida as a recruiting hotbed...then open up Texas...wow.
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2 TX teams on the schedule would help
Jun 7, 2012, 10:24 AM
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Regardless of whether you join UT in a division you get 1 home and 1 away game vs 2 of BU, UT, Tech, and TCU each year. That would help recruiting.
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In a 12 team league UT or OU would be played each year
Jun 7, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Years 1 & 2- Texas, OSU, TCU
Years 3 & 4- Tech, OU, Baylor
You'd get the high profile matchup vs Texas or OU and you'd get 1 game on the road in TX each year.
I don't see UT and OU splitting and you'd have to do that to put UT and FSU together or else the divisions have no balance.
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110%er [7913]
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North/South with a 6-1-1 schedule could work for
Jun 7, 2012, 10:28 AM
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Oklahoma and Texas....
North- OK, OSU, KU, KSU, WVU, ISU
South- CU, FSU, UT, TT, BU, and TCU
Play 6 divisional games, permanent rival, and a floating game.
UT-OK
CU-WVU
FSU-OSU
BU-KU
TT-KSU
TCU-ISU
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Fan [79]
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At first glance yes but the big point is this...
Jun 7, 2012, 10:34 AM
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Texas and OU rake in SERIOUS donations for ticket preferences for that Dallas game. Anything that diminishes that (say not competing for a division title) would be fought against tooth and nail.
Most likely setup is the two divisions he laid out.
Similar strength anchoring each:
FSU
CU
WVU
TX
OU
either Tech or OSU depending on who is "up".
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110%er [7913]
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good point..the only thing I was thinking about is a rematch
Jun 7, 2012, 10:35 AM
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possibility in the title game
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I like north south to start off with in a 12 team league
Jun 7, 2012, 10:16 AM
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you could switch to east west with more teams added down the road.
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Re: I like north south to start off with in a 12 team league
Jun 7, 2012, 10:28 AM
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I see OU and UT being in different divisions if they go to 12. That way the conference has a chance with both of them winning there division. UT vs OU in championship game. Also if the 4 team playoff goes through with divisional champs only. They both would have a shot.
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Will you reveal your source after everything happens?***
Jun 7, 2012, 10:26 AM
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he's the Bob Woodward of Tnet, lol. but in his case
Jun 7, 2012, 10:28 AM
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deepthroat has a whole different meaning
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York, would you and your Big 12
Jun 7, 2012, 10:28 AM
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Self fulfilling prophecy posse please just go away. Or at least get a life and change the subject. I don't know what your agenda is. Maybe you are stuck out there in no-mans land and just want to be able to see more Clemson games but you are wayyyy past the point of absurdity on this issue. The story is stale and your apologists look even more pathetic than you.
If a move occurs, we will hear about it but let's just continue to accept what we DO know. That being a game between Clemson and Auburn coming up fast. I have tried to be polite on here but this has just become an obsession with you and one wonders if you have a life at all outside of Tigetnet.
I check this board out every 4-5 days and it is like a freaking soap opera. You make the Nazi propaganda machine look like a bunch of pokers. Just go away!
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^^mad because he doesn't know***
Jun 7, 2012, 10:29 AM
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He's mad because he had to live in the North***
Jun 7, 2012, 1:13 PM
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no kidding..I have people on here I can't stand...
Jun 7, 2012, 10:37 AM
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I hit the ignore button and magically they go away...if you don't like York's post do the same...hit the ignore and your day is better.
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Re: York, would you and your Big 12
Jun 7, 2012, 10:40 AM
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Agreed. I swear its like being at the birthday girls party but everybody is hanging out with the most popular girl and not the birthday girl.
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110%er [8008]
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Because he's scared. He doesn't want Clemson to leave the
Jun 7, 2012, 10:45 AM
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ACC. He just wants all this "talk" to go away. Like a little child, if I cover my eyes maybe the monster can't see me.
There was a clue in the first line of his post where he mentioned self fulfilling prophosy. "If you keep talking about it it may happen." Please stop!!!!!!
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110%er [7913]
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I agree...I saw that too***
Jun 7, 2012, 10:46 AM
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110%er [8008]
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But if that's the case, why even open the posts?
Jun 7, 2012, 11:37 AM
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If "it really is aggravating" you have the choice to ignore it. No???
I suspect the only ones it really aggravates are those who don't want to make a move.
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110%er [7913]
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completely agree....if it "aggravates" you then ignore it***
Jun 7, 2012, 11:39 AM
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Re: EX huh?
Jun 7, 2012, 12:12 PM
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my thought too,,,sounds like a card carrying full fledged yankee to me
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it don't have to be ex-yankee,this is a free country
Jun 7, 2012, 1:31 PM
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you are more than welcome to return.i know you have heard the term ### yankee.
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I think Clemson is NOT joining the B12 .....
Jun 7, 2012, 10:29 AM
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- Too much resistance to this move by forces OUTSIDE the hardcore B12 Football minority
- ACC will announce shortly additions to Conference... ND IS NOT impossible (per many other News Sources)
- 4 team playoff IS NOT a "done deal". Expect dramatic announcement post meeting this late June. What the SEC and their allies seem to forget is that there are 11 FBS Conferences, the other Conferences are not lapdogs.
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110%er [7913]
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why would ND come to the ACC over the B1G or Big12?
Jun 7, 2012, 10:33 AM
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I just don't get it....their historic rivals are primarily in the B1G....can't seem them walking away from 100 yrs of history of games with Michigan, Purdue, Michigan St. Yes I know Missouri did with Kansas and Nebraska did as well but there were financial reasons as to why....the B1G and the Big12 provides more $ than the ACC.
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IF ND Were To Join The ACC ...
Jun 7, 2012, 11:43 AM
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Expect a "special deal" for them, because they are "special". ND's out of Conference games can be against teams of thier own choosing... so if they want to play 3 games against the B10, so be it... Also, and I don't know why, ND has stated empatically no way B10. In fact, they have said B12 is also very unlikely. Many pundits OUTSIDE of TigerNet have said if ND were to join a Conference, the ACC is the most likely Conference (many reasons, google it, por favor) an example
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1177565-notre-dame-football-the-acc-makes-far-more-sense-than-the-big-twelve
To ND, a few million dollars more is not going to be the driving reason... thier endowment is HUGE, im short, the difference is "chump change". Heck, Clemson could make up the few million dollar difference by running a few special events at the Stadium.... AC/DC Concert anyone? Monster Truck Rally?
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ND plays 3-4 ACC teams (incl. Pitt and Syr.) annually.
Jun 7, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Everyone just assumes that the Big 10 is their natural rivalries because of their annual Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue games, but they seldom schedule any of the other teams. Their fan base, recruiting ground, and scheduling doesn't necessarily support the Big 10 connection like many people think.
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I see ND joining Big East
Jun 7, 2012, 11:46 AM
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They can keep all there own TV money and get their own conference if they are forced to join one for the playoff. The Big east would bend over backwards to get them to join. No other conference will give up enough to get them to join. If the big east fails they can still go to any conference they want.
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Zipper Divisions?
Jun 7, 2012, 10:40 AM
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Idea suggested elsewhere (not a real rumor)...would even out travel and recruiting grounds among all conference members.
- 2 Texas schools in each division
- 1 Oklahoma and 1 Kansas school in each division
- 1 "northern" school in each division
- 1 "southeastern" school in each division
Your cross-rival would be permanent.
Texas----------------Texas Tech
Baylor---------------TCU
Oklahoma State-------Oklahoma
Kansas---------------Kansas State
West Virginia--------Iowa State
Clemson--------------Florida State
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Nevermind...
Jun 7, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Just realized that Texas/OU wouldn't be permanent rivals in that setup. That's not gonna fly.
Back to the drawing board.
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they have to play every year in any scenario***
Jun 7, 2012, 10:43 AM
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I like that idea... the only problem is the preservation of
Jun 7, 2012, 10:44 AM
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the Red River Rivalry. UT and OU either have to be in the same division, or permanent rivals...
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that game in the Cotton Bowl brings in a ton of cash
Jun 7, 2012, 10:46 AM
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to Dallas....awesome game to watch.
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Revised...
Jun 7, 2012, 11:25 AM
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Revised zipper (pair the Oklahoma and Kansas schools because geographically they are the most similar)...you still get 2 Texas schools, 1 SE school and 1 North school per division.
Texas-------------------Oklahoma
Texas Tech------------Baylor or TCU
West Virginia---------Oklahoma State
Kansas State---------Iowa State
Kansas----------------TCU or Baylor
Clemson--------------Florida State (or vice versa...)
Protects:
Red River Shooutout
Farmageddon
Bowden Bowl
Texas-TT
John Brown Trophy
Sunflower Showdown
Texas+a big SE school (RATINGS)
OU+a big SE school (RATINGS)
TCU-Baylor
West Virignia-OSU (potentially terrific game)
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Re: Revised...
Jun 7, 2012, 11:27 AM
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clemson in a division with WVU, Texas, TT, KSU and Kan but not FSU?
what are you smoking?
Message was edited by: CUAtTheFinishLine®
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Jun 7, 2012, 11:32 AM
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It's a zipper setup. The idea is to equally distribute play in fertile recruting areas and overall travel equally between all the schools. Your cross-rival is permanent. You would still play Florida State every single year.
Divisional standings are just a way of creating scheduling and to allow for a conference championship game. Why does it matter if you are grouped in the same division as FSU when you are going to play them every season regardless?
If we go strictly on geography, you are going to end up playing Iowa State instead of Texas, does that sound more appealing to you?
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A few corrections
Jun 7, 2012, 11:20 AM
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Texas----------------Oklahoma
Baylor---------------TCU
Oklahoma State-------Texas Tech
Kansas---------------Kansas State
West Virginia--------Iowa State
Florida State--------Clemson
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Re: A few corrections
Jun 7, 2012, 11:27 AM
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OU has to play OSU (Bedlam...this is not negotiable) and Texas and Texas Tech have to play.
See my revised version above...
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"there are however, many other scenarios being
Jun 7, 2012, 10:48 AM
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discussed as well"
OK thanks for telling us nothing.
East/West and North/South, WHO WOULDA THUNK?
People wake up.
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who's gonna pay our exit fee?***
Jun 7, 2012, 11:18 AM
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Re: who's gonna pay our exit fee?***
Jun 7, 2012, 12:17 PM
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ACC is gonna eat it after our lawyers get through with them
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Why didn't these lawyers try to get out of TB's buyout?***
Jun 7, 2012, 12:18 PM
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That buyout was negotiated in "good faith". Called being a
Jun 7, 2012, 1:03 PM
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man of your word.
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So agreeing one year ago to an enormous conference buyout
Jun 7, 2012, 2:16 PM
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during the 2011 ACC meetings, is now somehow not in good faith, and not being a man of your word?
I'm failing to follow this logic.
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TB didn't do anything wrong other than consistently
Jun 7, 2012, 2:33 PM
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underperform on the field. There is a possibility that Swofford breached his fiduciary responsibility to the league's member institutuions, which is a form of fraud, i.e. not acting in good faith. If this act injured our university, then we're entitled to retribution. There's a clear cut difference between the two.
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Wow...that's quite a story.***
Jun 7, 2012, 4:29 PM
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I don't think the exit fee will be an issue based on the
Jun 7, 2012, 2:25 PM
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This post is a joke. You should be a psychic.***
Jun 7, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Re: This post is a joke. You should be a psychic.***
Jun 7, 2012, 2:28 PM
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dont open it then.
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