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IF my source knows what they are talking about,
Jan 31, 2013, 4:34 PM
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and I think that they do, Pres. Barker is trying to sell all the school land that adjoins the lake (school forest) to developers. Apparently he has decided that Clemson does not need to have a school of Life Sciences,
Agriculture and Forestry and would like to see those majors removed from the Clemson curriculum. Another attempt to make us a Harvard I guess. I have supported him 100% for years but if this is true !!!!!
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Agricultural College is stipulated in TG Clemson's will.
Jan 31, 2013, 4:38 PM
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http://www.clemson.edu/TGC200/the-will.htm
Probably against state law (since SC accepted the terms of the will), and I would hope the BoT would oust anyone with crazy ideas like that.
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Re: i think Agriculture is stipulated in TG Clemson's will.***
Jan 31, 2013, 4:44 PM
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I think that it is also. He wants to change it to some kind of Bio Tech degree. I'll know more in a couple of hours. I am scheduled to be at a meeting at 5 30 where it will be discussed.
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Re: Army Corp of Engineers technically own all the Clemson
Jan 31, 2013, 5:16 PM
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They control over the navigable waters, not the land.
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Re: Army Corp of Engineers technically own all the Clemson
Jan 31, 2013, 5:21 PM
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They own and control the land around Lake Hartwell so many feet above full pond, just walk around the lake and look for the red paint on the trees which is the property line
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Re: Army Corp of Engineers technically own all the Clemson
Jan 31, 2013, 5:24 PM
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ACOE owns to the 1080 line. Clemson owns the rest ... and we are talking MAJOR acres.
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ACOE owns to approx. 670 msl line, Also, if those two.....
Jan 31, 2013, 5:38 PM
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diversion dams ever fail, Clemson bottoms and Frank Howard field will be under water.
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Re: ACOE owns to approx. 670 msl line, Also, if those two.....
Jan 31, 2013, 5:56 PM
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have heard discussion of developers for 99 year leases similar to some other lake developments in lower part of state.....in no way would CU ever totally sell the land....
but they do want to develop some of the property....but have heard it is 99 year leases.....no straight out purchase rights.....
in other words...if you had a piece of the property...and something was built on it.....if you die..your family can not inherit....it gets turned back over......so basically it is like renting......I believe they do this on Lake Moultrie
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This is the way all land is done in UK if im not mistaken
Jan 31, 2013, 6:49 PM
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its a 99 year lease from the queen. May of changed since i last studied anything about it.
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sounds like a bad source.***
Jan 31, 2013, 4:39 PM
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Re: sounds like a bad source.***
Jan 31, 2013, 4:46 PM
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Perhaps so. Wife of a department head.
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Don't think that will happen. We won't abandon our roots.***
Jan 31, 2013, 4:40 PM
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They have recently pumped money into CAFLS with the
Jan 31, 2013, 4:41 PM
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new bldg behind P&A and the Packaging Building...
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Re: They have recently pumped money into CAFLS with the
Jan 31, 2013, 5:17 PM
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He had done nothing for the college of agriculture.
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Clemson acquired that land from the Federal Gov.
Jan 31, 2013, 4:52 PM
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for basically free under a Federal Law that said Clemson had to use the property for teaching and research. From what I was told when I was a Forestry student, it would literally take an act of Congress to use the land for development. That does not mean Barker does have a SC Rep that would slip this in some Bill that has nothing to do with Clemson. Maybe the Farm Bill that is coming up.
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Re: Clemson acquired that land from the Federal Gov.
Jan 31, 2013, 4:59 PM
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What you say is true. I have been very active in he Forestry school and alumni association for more than 45 years. I usually am made aware of what is happening. As I understand it, there isn't anyone in the departments who has the b!!!s to stand up to the president.. We will see what happens. I will know more soon.
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I think Clemson's forest lands is another thing that makes
Jan 31, 2013, 4:58 PM
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us unique. I would not sell to a developer just to boost my US World and News college rating.
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Re: I think Clemson's forest lands is another thing that makes
Jan 31, 2013, 5:01 PM
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I was told as a student many years ago that Clemson is the largest campus in America
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That would be Berry College in Rome, GA.***
Jan 31, 2013, 8:25 PM
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I thought the public meeting with over 2,000 people there...
Jan 31, 2013, 5:02 PM
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protesting the idea last time was enough to keep this from coming up again soon...maybe not. Next time let's have 4,000 there!
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Re: I thought the public meeting with over 2,000 people there...
Jan 31, 2013, 5:26 PM
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As it was told to me this morning .... no one wants this but Barker. Going in to the meeting right now.
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They are certainly in talks over the much of the land. He
Jan 31, 2013, 5:24 PM
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does not wish, however, to completely remove the life science/forestry majors.
It's not completely necessary though to have as expansive of a forest that we have. Of course, I hope we make a wise decision on the matter.
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Re: They are certainly in talks over the much of the land. He
Jan 31, 2013, 5:28 PM
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The ov er this.entire dept. is in complete disarray
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Well all that public land adjacent to CU property is....
Jan 31, 2013, 5:30 PM
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zoned as "Protected Shoreline" by the Corps of Engineers. That means no boat docks. Since 50% of Hartwell shoreline is already zoned for docks (most of any Corps lake nationwide), I don't see the Corps changing the zoning anytime soon. Note to any potential developers who may be interested.
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They've been wanting to do that for years.***
Jan 31, 2013, 5:35 PM
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Bad sources
Jan 31, 2013, 8:15 PM
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The wife of a dept head (and even a dept head) are bad sources. Faculty, including dept heads make a career of accusing the administration of planning bad stuff. I know - I grew up with faculty parents and their faculty friends. Barker may not be perfect but he is a good guy and is looking out for Clemson.
Plus everyone else is right. State owns this land now...
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Can't stand the idea of developers ###### Clemson.
Jan 31, 2013, 8:59 PM
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Hope this isn't true.
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