And good couple posts in a row, BTW.

I don't see it that way Franc, the world is not binary, I argue the same point all of the time. I just think it is safe to say that abortion is a major reason why the Republicans own the evangelical vote. It has been the ultimate wedge issue, and kind of undermines any notion that I would believe that if you are for one thing, then you must be for another.

My entire premise is that there are single issue voters when it comes to reproductive rights and if said issue is little more than a red herring, then maybe it is time for evangelicals to reconsider what it is the republican party actually does for them on a federal level. Because guns and cutting taxes are about the only other things they are selling these days.

And when trump panders to his base that he will appoint "pro life justices", then it is a pretty good indicator that he knows that it is a major selling point on his re election. What he is really doing is stacking the courts with corporatists like Kavanagh that have a track record of heavily ruling in favor of corporate interests, and that is something I fundamentally take issue with, especially when he was championed as a potential vote for the pro life movement.

take this as shaming if you like, but evangelicals are being duped by the GOP on that issue.

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that's what all of those questions I asked demonstrated.

You say all these evangelicals are only voting on abortion, but then you throw in guns and cutting taxes.

I am not married to the Republican party. I do support conservative values that are completely opposed to the progressive idea that all truths are equally valid except when it comes to any absolute universal truth.

It sounds great in theory, but it doesn't work in reality. We can't all be guided by individual autonomy and continue as a civilized society. We can try to make each of us our own ultimate authority, but then what about our neighbor? Interesting that even Stephen Colbert, whom I'm not a huge fan, recognizes this democratization of truth. Truth becomes what you can get the most people to agree on. The end result of postmodern ideas lead to anarchy. We see it in CHAZ or CHOP or whatever they'll call it next week.

You obviously see my view as ignorant. Progressive ideals lead to freedom. However, I see progressive ideals lead to further bondage for all people. Progressive ideals conflate the idea of the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" with the idea that everyone is the SAME on every level and should possess the exact same thing. Anything else is unfair. Again, sounds great. But it doesn't work. Not everyone one is as physically beautiful as the next. Not everyone is a smart as the next. Not everyone is as athletic as the next. Not everyone is as strong as the next. We are not the same. For a society who supposedly celebrates the beauty of diversity, we spend a lot of time trying to make everyone the same.

We have the right to life, unless we are an inconvenient fetus created because your cell donors were only considering their individual autonomy and their own rights.

We should have the right to live freely, think freely, and speak freely. But we often forget our responsibility to our neighbor and their own right to be free. Our 24/7/365 connected world is run by the thought gestapo that tell you what to think and what to say and how to say it. Hardly my understanding of the word liberal.

Finally, while we are not equally gifted, we all have the right to pursue happiness. This means we each have the right to use the gifts and abilities that we do have to improve ourselves and our stations in life, and hopefully in that pursuit, try to help those around us to improve theirs.

It's easy to pretend like we are all the same. Hey, you have this and I don't. You got to give it to me! But promising and giving free things: free health care for all, free education for all, subsidized living wages for all is not only economically unfeasible but will never be sustainable for people who aren't pursuing happiness for themselves, because as you have witnessed as cities have burned, people rarely value that which they have not invested of their own resources.

The best way to fix our problems is not to hashtag BLM on blackouttuesday. The best way is to teach people personal responsibility for their fellow man. You want to make strides in the health of our society? Start with families. Our families are falling apart because people are selfish. They are focused on their rights and not their responsibilities. Broken families leave confused children struggling to belong - struggling to find their identity. It creates a domino effect of people who claim to be entitled, but in reality have no esteem for themselves, much less anyone else.

Oh no, this is not a "binary" argument. I am reminded that you and I can find common ground in humor, but not in our worldview.

These are the values that guide my vote. It's much more complex than abortion, guns, and tax cuts. I see nothing within the CURRENT Democrat party that does anything to improve our situation. I read. I listen. There is much talk about achieving a THEORETICAL EQUALITY, but nothing that actually helps people fulfill the EQUALITY spoken of in the Declaration of Independence. This equality is only achieved through self-discipline and personal responsibility. The government can't do it for you no matter how much money they throw at it. The government's role is to get out of your way and to prevent other people from infringing on those rights. People can use the government and work within it to provide a level ground for all citizens, but it is only assure the inalienable rights, not determine the outcome.

I am frustrated with the Republican party. Pubs have been too soft. Over the last several years they have folded as soon as those who desire the progressive utopia (which is a large portion of people in influential positions) start with the "they want to kill your children, they want to kill your grandparents, they want to destroy the planet." Trump, for all his idiotic and undiplomatic statements - for all his so-called "pandering" - is actually not cowering to the criticism and has actually done things differently than the do-nothing statesmen of at least the last 16 years, if not since Reagan.

I don't defend Trump. I don't need to. He is also not my savior. Most Trump voters, despite your opinion, are not as confused and gullible as you think. But you can believe that it is only the right, especially weak-minded evangelicals, that vote on "wedge issues" and that everybody on the other side is ignorant if you so choose. That is your right.

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It's not as if any of us expected to overturn Roe v Wade.

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