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Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 9:03 AM
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He may be the GOAT but I'm not ready to crown him ALLweatherfan's GOAT
If Pete Carol runs the NFL's leading rusher from the 1 yard line 3 straight times Brady doesn't win that one.
If Falcons run the ball 3 times and kick a FG Brady doesn't win last night.
Tuck rule.
He only has 2 Super Bowl rings with out those gifts.
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 9:13 AM
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when he retires and the Pats keep winning, then you know it's the coach. Brady is a heck of a qb. I'm not a big fan, but give the devil his due.
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 10:40 AM
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But even then, are you going to consider Montana the best of all time if the Pats still win after Brady? Montana had the best coach of his generation along with the best receiver of all time, and his successor, Steve Young, was extremely successful. Should people consider Montana a system QB?
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 1:47 PM
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Steve Young kept things chugging. Then again Steve Young was awesome. Or was HE a product of the system as well?
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 2:29 PM
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That's the thing. I think Steve Young was a great QB. An incredible QB even. In my opinion, there's no such thing as a "system QB" at the NFL level. Almost every legendary QB has had a legendary coach with him. The only two I can think of without the legendary coach are Manning and Elway. Brady, Montana, Marino all had arguably the 3 best coaches of all time with them...but people dislike Brady, so they try to say that Brady is a product of the system, rather than give him his due credit.
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 4:00 PM
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I don't see how anyone can say "someone" is the best of all time. There are to many variables. Taking nothing away from Brady and his accomplishments, would he have won five Super Bowls without Bill B.? Then you can turn it around and say that Bill wouldn't be a five time winner without Brady. It's a combination that has worked.
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Last night was NE's largest SB margin of victory***
Feb 6, 2017, 9:14 AM
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Ummm, ok, well
Feb 6, 2017, 9:18 AM
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if the Giants don't make some of the most improbable plays in NFL history late in their two most recent SB wins, then Brady and the Pats have 7 rings right now.
While we are doing all this if, if, if stuff, that is.
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Re: Ummm, ok, well
Feb 6, 2017, 10:37 AM
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Exactly. The two SB losses came on miracle plays from the Giants, including one of the most amazing catches of all time.
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Re: Ummm, ok, well
Feb 6, 2017, 12:07 PM
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one of the most amazing catches of all time....that caused multiple holes to be punched in my wall by a CRAZY Pats fan.
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Re: Ummm, ok, well
Feb 6, 2017, 2:31 PM
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Scott? Is that you?
Dude I already apologized on Facebook and I even made a half-assed atttempt to patch the wall back in University Village. You don't need to embarrass me on TigerNet to prove your point, I have a reputation to uphold with these bozos.
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Those are loser arguments. If Bama plays a different
Feb 6, 2017, 9:21 AM
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coverage maybe they beat us. THEY DIDN'T! END OF STORY!
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I can say that because I said he's not MY GOAT.....
Feb 6, 2017, 10:33 AM
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besides, he's a proven cheater who is also coached by a proven cheater.
His proven Cheater Coach may also be the GOAT but he's not my GOAT.
See how that worked.
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yeah, you can use the Loser's Argument...because you LOST***
Feb 6, 2017, 4:41 PM
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because you LOST***WRONG....
Feb 6, 2017, 7:26 PM
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I don't give a rats butt about NFL. I only root for the team with Clemson players.
Except last year, neither Broncos or Panthers had a Clemson Player so I rooted for Broncos since Panthers have never drafted a Clemson player.
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And if Bama defends the rub play, they are celebrating..
Feb 6, 2017, 9:21 AM
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two in a row.
Guess what?... COULDA, SHOULDA, WOULDA. And I wanted Jarrett and Beasley to get their rings, but that is sports, and you acknowledge winners and the GOATs.
It's folks with attitudes like yours that did not vote for Deshaun... winning did not matter at the end of it all. Make sense???
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I can say that because I said he's not MY GOAT.....
Feb 6, 2017, 10:32 AM
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besides, he's a proven cheater who is also coached by a proven cheater.
His proven Cheater Coach may also be the GOAT but he's not my GOAT.
See how that worked.
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Rock Defender [53]
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It "worked" about as...
Feb 6, 2017, 7:51 PM
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well as the Falcons defense did in the fourth quarter.
Sound cootish much?
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 9:25 AM
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Brady and the rest of the team will tell you he's no GOAT. Just a product of the Pats system. Any decent qb (imo) would have had just as many. Maybe more.
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Yeah, ok. It's all because of a system...because the other
Feb 6, 2017, 9:48 AM
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greats of the game like Joe Montana didn't play in a system or have great coaches. Brady is the greatest QB of all time, and last night ended that debate.
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^^^gets it^^^
Feb 6, 2017, 11:35 AM
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montana was in the west coast offense, had rb's galore, all star wr's, and a shutdown d. and i considered him the greatest that ever lived - until brady. and last night leaves no doubt. and by the op's analogy, all these "gifts" are the reason brady won. i would counter that with this, clemson probably doesn't win championship if state kicker makes fg.
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But none of that did happen. Brady won 5 trophies is what did happen.
Feb 6, 2017, 9:34 AM
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You sound like those idiot sec fans who called the fuabam show claim clemson didn't really win the nc...cuase if this and if that.
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I can say that because I said he's not MY GOAT.....
Feb 6, 2017, 10:31 AM
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besides, he's a proven cheater who is also coached by a proven cheater.
His proven Cheater Coach may also be the GOAT but he's not my GOAT.
See how that worked.
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Re: I can say that because I said he's not MY GOAT.....
Feb 6, 2017, 12:08 PM
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Maybe if you copy & paste the same response again you'll sound like less of an idiot.
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How does me making my conditions upon which
Feb 6, 2017, 3:04 PM
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I come to the conclusion that my GOAT is not Brady?
I liked Brady and rooted for him and the Patriots in his first super bowl.
Then they got caught cheating, twice.
Felt the same way about lance Armstrong. I even wrote an article about my admiration for Lance Armstrong. Then he got caught cheating and his accomplishments were compromised in my mind. Same thing with McGuire and Sosa.
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Great players take advantage of sub-par coaches
Feb 6, 2017, 9:56 AM
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and players.
He's great, whether we want him to be or not.
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If alabama had not scored too early, we'd never been crowned
Feb 6, 2017, 10:35 AM
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national champs.
we could play that game all day!
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"I can say that because I said he's not MY GOAT.....
Feb 6, 2017, 11:42 AM
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besides, he's a proven cheater who is also coached by a proven cheater.
His proven Cheater Coach may also be the GOAT but he's not my GOAT.
See how that worked." - ALLweatherfan
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Brady is the G.O.A.T. and he proved that/ended that
Feb 6, 2017, 11:43 AM
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discussion last night.
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Re: Brady is the G.O.A.T. and he proved that/ended that
Feb 6, 2017, 8:00 PM
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Not really. DW4 will break it one day. Would have to argue that elway or Montana would have had more sb titles under belicheck... or however u spell the cheater.
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greatest cheater of all time...
Feb 6, 2017, 11:51 AM
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Him and the patriots are in the same boat as Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, and so on. Just because they get away with it doesn't mean it's ok
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Re: greatest cheater of all time...
Feb 6, 2017, 11:58 AM
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SMH
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well, you know bob
Feb 6, 2017, 12:23 PM
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some people don't change their sigs until they are emotionally driven to do so.
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Armstrong cheated in a sport where everyone cheats...
Feb 6, 2017, 2:06 PM
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cycling is actually a competition to see who is the best at cycling plus cheating. He won.
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 12:14 PM
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IDC about NFL but Brady can't do it all. Dropped passes, missed extra points, best receiver injured. Lol
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An interisting arguement can be made that he's 4 plays away
Feb 6, 2017, 12:33 PM
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From being 1-6 in superbowls
2002 - Vinatieri kicks a 48 yd FG as time expires to beat the Rams 20-17
2004 - Panthers kicker mis-hits the kickoff after Carolina ties the game at 29. Vinatieri kicks a 41 yarder for the 32-29 win.
2005 - Philly rallies late but falls short in a game the pats controlled 24-21.
2015 - Instead of using the leagues best running game to punch in a score from the 1, Seattle elects to throw and is intercepted, losing 28-24
2017 - Atlanta fumbles, takes themselves out of FG range and allows 19 points in the final 10 minutes of regulation to force OT, losing on a Brady TD drive 34-28.
Basically I could argue that in 2002, 2004, 2015, and 2017 the pats were one play away from not winning the game.
While I don't think that impacts Brady's legacy, it does underscore how close most of their games have been.
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there's about a 50/50 chance that an NFL game could've been
Feb 6, 2017, 1:00 PM
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decided by one play. "In the last twenty years 46.12% of all the NFL regular season games were decided by 7 or less points." http://www.marasoft.com/nfl-margin-victory.php
Or, how about Clemson during the last two magical years, and all of these near misses?
20-17 Louisville
24-22 Notre Dame
45-37 UNC (reverse it and Tnet would still be complaining about that onsides kick call)
19-13 Auburn
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37-34 FSU
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35-31 Bama
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Agreed
Feb 6, 2017, 1:22 PM
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However I'd say that the only other argument you could make for GOAT would be Montana and only two of his were close, and only 1 came down to a play either way.
You could make the counter argument that Brady was actually more valuable in the patriots wins because of his 5, 3 of them required him to lead game winning drives in the end of regulation or OT. Montana only did that once.
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If we're just going by best player we've seen play, I stick
Feb 6, 2017, 2:08 PM
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with Elway.
He dragged some SORRY ### Broncos teams to the Super Bowl. Yes, they got stomped IN the SB, but they should have gotten stomped and never really should have been there except Elway willed it.
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That's a lot of butthurt***
Feb 6, 2017, 1:40 PM
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Put Brady on any other team without Belicheck
Feb 6, 2017, 1:44 PM
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and we probably would have never heard of him
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That is laughable***
Feb 6, 2017, 2:02 PM
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If he's NOT the GOAT, who the #### is?***
Feb 6, 2017, 2:01 PM
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^^^this guy gets it^^^
Feb 6, 2017, 2:37 PM
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What is this world coming to?
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we're ALL doomed***
Feb 6, 2017, 4:34 PM
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You can make that case for College players***
Feb 6, 2017, 4:36 PM
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Isn't the GOAT RB usually a separate discussion?***
Feb 6, 2017, 7:29 PM
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GOAT NFL player has to be Jim Brown***
Feb 6, 2017, 7:32 PM
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Re: sweetness***
Feb 6, 2017, 8:06 PM
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Not a bad pick either.
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 8:21 PM
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Agreed. He isn't the one who gave Clemson a national championship.
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 8:49 PM
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You know someone doesn't have a valid argument when they start the "if this didn't happen" and well "if this would have happened." The bottom line, he has 5 SB titles, 5 SB MVP's, 450+ TD's. He just engineered the greatest comeback in SB history. He is the best big game QB in history. The only people who don't think he's the best are either haters or uneducated fans who don't understand the game.
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cheater...
Feb 6, 2017, 9:17 PM
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can't be the GOAT if you're a cheater.
simple rule....
ask Pete Rose and Mark McGwire.
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I think a more valid comparison would be Barry Bonds
Feb 6, 2017, 10:44 PM
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or maybe even Arod. Pete Rose didn't even cheat, he just bet on games while he was managing.
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Yeah, it was more about a Falcons meltdown than Brady
Feb 6, 2017, 10:51 PM
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He was hurrying passes and flat out got lucky that he wasnt picked off at least 2 times (edelman "catch") to put an end to that run he was on.
Despite all that, if Shanahan just runs the ball and kicks the FG with under 3 mins to go, nobody is talking about Brady. It was an epic falcons f up, plain and simple.
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 11:08 PM
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Sorry but this sounds a lot like coot logic
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Re: Still not ready to crown Brady the GOAT
Feb 6, 2017, 11:22 PM
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Luck comes into play in almost every football game. I think people that try to pass Brady off as luck are just haters. I mean I can understand if he just won one Super Bowl but the dude has 5 and 4 MVP's. I was partial to Brett Favre as the best QB I ever seen in the NFL but there is no debate now. Tom Brady stands alone at #1. Everybody else is just fighting for #2.
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