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What's the inconvenient part?
Jul 30, 2018, 3:10 PM
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Big waterways in industrialized mostly unregulated countries account for most of the pollution? I'm guessing since I didn't click the article, but the headline seems like common sense.
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libs are spontaneously combusting over straws, bottles,
Jul 30, 2018, 3:30 PM
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and pretty much anything made of plastic when it has minimal impact. On the other hand, they've always been more than willing to give the poor wretched countries a pass.
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Uh...what?
Jul 30, 2018, 3:38 PM
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You don't think plastic pollution is an issue? Again, haven't clicked the article, but it sounds like it's focused on plastic in the ocean. There's exponentially more plastic that is sitting, undegraded, in landfills.
And how is anybody giving poor, wretched countries a pass? If the US is supposed to be a world leader in ideologies, including environmentalism, aren't we supposed to lead by example? If you treat it like a business deal as the Trump administration has, and say "well this is unfair to the US because our goals are more stringent", and we pull out, then everybody else walks away. The Paris Accord, while not perfect by any stretch, at least had some measurable goals to try and bring the Indias and Chinas along over the next generation. Now? Every single country is in "fuck it, if they're not doing it, I'm not either" mode. And the dismaying thing is that half of this country is pleased with that. Presumably, yourself included.
The environment is stupid, amirite?
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thats right. I don't think "plastic pollution" is a problem
Jul 30, 2018, 3:43 PM
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in the US. Yet, NBC news will show the "texas size" plastic island in a story about drinking straws in the US to guilt people into not using straws. (for the record, I don't use straws and never have)
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that article says nothing about landfills
Jul 30, 2018, 4:11 PM
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nor does say anything of substance about the source of the supposed mirco plastics.
The cause du jour seems be glitter makeup and fleece clothing. I'm sure there's lots of that in Lebanon ...
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Good point. Excessive plastic in tap water isn't that
Jul 30, 2018, 4:15 PM
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worrisome if you can't show exactly where it comes from. I guess we should let folks hold on to their oral fixations.
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how can you possibly "fix" something if you don't know
Jul 30, 2018, 4:18 PM
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where it comes from?
The Amazon basin is sustained in part from dust carried by wind from Africa to South America. If the problem is in the third world, what would you do about it? But please, blame land fills and Americans
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they would
Jul 30, 2018, 3:46 PM
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have still been in "#### it" mode regardless of the US's actions.
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It's doubtful any of them would have actually made the
Jul 30, 2018, 4:01 PM
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targets; the US likely wouldn't have either. But at least there's some understanding and agreement that 1) there's a problem, and 2) every nation is responsible for and owns the solution to the problem. There's dialogue around it, and people focused on a common goal.
But, like I said...if you don't believe that 8 billion people on the planet could possibly affect the climate, then it's not an issue anyway, and pollution should be viewed exclusively through the competitive-trade lens. Boiling frog and such. At some point when the US or another country wins the economic competition, will it matter when the world is smoldering?
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Son,
Jul 30, 2018, 4:13 PM
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the Russians don't take a shittt without a plan.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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If a particular country isn't going to help clean up
Jul 30, 2018, 4:25 PM
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their own pollution and environment just because the US backed out of the Paris deal, what makes you think they had any intentions of holding up their end of the bargain in the first place? Nobody wants more pollution, but you might want to consider the economic ramifications too....It's hard to get people to care about not using straws when they're worried about paying their $800 electric bill.
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Those nations being at the table would be an indication that
Jul 30, 2018, 4:30 PM
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there was some sort of vested interest, no? You're viewing this through a binary pass/fail scope. India didn't meet their 2027 target, so the whole Paris Accord was a sham! Well...not really, if they hit 35% of it, or 70% of it, or whatever. As of today, there are no targets, and no conversations that even include the US that I'm aware of. And Europe isn't going to be able to accomplish nearly as much with India and China without the leadership of the US.
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and apparently dumping their plastic in the rivers***
Jul 30, 2018, 4:33 PM
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Maybe they should set up their own targets?
Jul 30, 2018, 4:40 PM
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I would hope that they have a vested interest in cleaning up their own countries, but if they don't no agreement or billions of dollars from the US is going to fix that.
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Re: libs are spontaneously combusting over straws, bottles,
Jul 30, 2018, 6:09 PM
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and pretty much anything made of plastic when it has minimal impact. On the other hand, they've always been more than willing to give the poor wretched countries a pass.
Minimal impact? Did you read your own story? 
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Re: The inconvenient part...
Jul 30, 2018, 5:30 PM
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is that if we allow nothing from our country to pollute the oceans the day of the eventual destruction of the oceans won't change. Maybe by .00x percent.
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But, but, the Japanese Tsunami!
Jul 30, 2018, 3:12 PM
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That's what caused it all!
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Re: has this been discussed in here?
Jul 30, 2018, 4:00 PM
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Republicanism is all about avoiding responsibility. Other countries suck, so we shouldn't bother making ourselves better. Totally makes sense.
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is that why Nixon signed the Clean Water Act?***
Jul 30, 2018, 4:16 PM
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Environmental NAZIS are the reason we don't have
Jul 30, 2018, 4:05 PM
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one of the top ten rivers.
I will accept being harassed by environmentalists if it reduces our pollution.
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I would disagree with that. Americans like to keep their
Jul 30, 2018, 4:15 PM
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places clean. I think government regulation has very little to do with cleanliness.
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Americans do NOT like to keep their places clean.
Jul 30, 2018, 4:38 PM
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I'm happy that you are blessed enough to be in places that gave you that perception.
But people are disgusting and lazy. In every country. We have rules that other countries do not have regarding the environment.
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Those rules came about through the democratic process.
Jul 30, 2018, 10:39 PM
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Ultimately, Americans DO want those rules, to help keep the environment clean.
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Yeah... no.
Jul 30, 2018, 8:31 PM
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Go look at pictures and footage of the filth and pollution in American before the EPA.
Americans do not like to keep places clean, nor do corporations, unless it's THEIR places. If the waste goes on someone else, they don't care.
If what you said were true, we would have no litter.
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I'm thinking they need a life.
Jul 30, 2018, 5:32 PM
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Perhaps they should all move to Southern Cal and fix the smog or something.
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That’s great news!
Jul 30, 2018, 5:45 PM
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For everyone.
Ten rivers cause 95% of the plastics pollution in the ocean? That is great news! It’s so easy to focus on just those ten sources and come up with action plans to reduce the waste.
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Swarley.....
Jul 30, 2018, 5:50 PM
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Rhymes with Harley®
-Harley
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Re: Swarley.....
Jul 30, 2018, 7:14 PM
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Obed rhymes with ####head. Use your imaginations here.
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that's exactly correct. except, there is a strong faction
Jul 31, 2018, 9:03 AM
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in this country and in Europe who are content to let countries bordering those rivers off the hook. Its sooooo much easier to just blame the USA for the worlds ills and the Democrat party in this country is all to happy to concur.
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