|
Replies: 24
| visibility 766
|
All-In [26968]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 44823
Joined: 7/6/10
|
It is OK for members of the House to have legitimate
Mar 27, 2020, 11:04 AM
|
|
issues with this bill, and vote against it, right? I ask because I'm reading that one Rep in particular is being blasted, including very harshly and publicly by the President, for this opinion.
The vote does not have to be unanimous. Why such vitriol toward someone with a reasonable differig opinion?
|
|
|
|
 |
Legend [15730]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 17364
Joined: 2/1/99
|
I think the issue is that Massie is demanding a roll call
Mar 27, 2020, 11:07 AM
|
|
vote, which will require reps to be in a room together, which many perceive as dangerous.
I see both sides to this debate. We want to be safe...but it is $2 trillion. I would hope he has been clear and vocal that he would take this stance from the get-go, instead of blind siding his colleagues.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [26968]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 44823
Joined: 7/6/10
|
Why not have a vote?
Mar 27, 2020, 11:09 AM
|
|
They can let people in the room one at a time or something. It's not that hard. If he doesn't think the bill is a good bill, he has an obligation to vote No on it. He'd be a hypocrite if he didn't.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [15730]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 17364
Joined: 2/1/99
|
No one is saying he can’t vote no. I assume he will.
Mar 27, 2020, 11:24 AM
|
|
They want a voice vote, which could have happened this morning. Now many of them apparently have to fly back to DC for his roll call vote, which of course is inconvenient, possibly exposes them to more virus risk, and possibly delays a vote that most believe is a forgone conclusion.
Now...how a voice vote gets them out of a quorum requirement, I have no idea.
But he’s always had the right to vote no in the voice vote.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [26968]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 44823
Joined: 7/6/10
|
The President's criticism is particularly about
Mar 27, 2020, 11:27 AM
|
|
him voting "no", not about calling for a rool call.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [34507]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 41370
Joined: 4/20/01
|
not really, it's about holding up the process. his vote
Mar 27, 2020, 12:14 PM
|
|
doesnt matter
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [26968]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 44823
Joined: 7/6/10
|
OK...again, I'm just going by what the President said.***
Mar 27, 2020, 12:15 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [11155]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 14761
Joined: 6/29/01
|
Voice vote is the current proposed method
Mar 27, 2020, 11:43 AM
[ in reply to I think the issue is that Massie is demanding a roll call ] |
|
Rep. Massie's opinion on the bill notwithstanding, the method that's being proposed for voting on this bill is by voice.
The representatives shout "Aye" or "Nay" when asked then the Speaker decides which side is louder. I think what's being questioned is how one could legitimately determine that on an audio teleconference.
I can't say I disagree with the question.
Now, a better question might be how in the technological world we live in today, there isn't some secure system for representatives to case roll call votes remotely.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [11155]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 14761
Joined: 6/29/01
|
Add that I also think now may not be the appropriate
Mar 27, 2020, 11:45 AM
|
|
time to raise this question.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [22380]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 31277
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Trump says to "throw Massie out of the Republican Party."
Mar 27, 2020, 11:10 AM
|
|
Wonder if Trump will work against him in the election?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [26968]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 44823
Joined: 7/6/10
|
That's a shocking statement to me.
Mar 27, 2020, 11:13 AM
|
|
I don't understand the reason for such vitriol. Every member of Congress should be free to have an opinion, and vote accordingly, without threats. If his vote is not a good one, his constituents will let him know that in November. It's their call.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [55989]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 31615
Joined: 8/27/02
|
You and Donald Trump have subtly different dispositions.***
Mar 27, 2020, 11:16 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1405]
TigerPulse: 54%
Posts: 3412
Joined: 1/10/13
|
Re: That's a shocking statement to me.
Mar 27, 2020, 11:18 AM
[ in reply to That's a shocking statement to me. ] |
|
The GOP position 72 hours ago was that any delay by a Dem to the bill was killing people and destroying the economy. This is one time Trump is actually being consistent.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [22380]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 31277
Joined: 11/30/98
|
That is just how Trump treats everybody that disagrees with
Mar 27, 2020, 11:19 AM
[ in reply to That's a shocking statement to me. ] |
|
him. Should not come as a shock to you since this has been going on for several years now.
He just put a target on the guy for his minions to attack.
I wonder if Trump will throw his support behind Massie's Republican challenger - Todd McMurtry, and risk the Democrat winning in November?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [26968]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 44823
Joined: 7/6/10
|
Most of the President's supporters I know hate the bill
Mar 27, 2020, 11:27 AM
|
|
That's what makes this seem so odd to me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [22380]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 31277
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Why? Pumping over $2 Trillion into the economy leading
Mar 27, 2020, 12:59 PM
|
|
up to the election should juice the economy nicely for the president, once people start to head back to work. Most of it is going to the corporations and businesses.
Why do they hate the bill?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [26968]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 44823
Joined: 7/6/10
|
There's several threads below complaining about it.
Mar 27, 2020, 1:01 PM
|
|
It appears to be because there's a bunch of liberal "pork" in it, according to the ones I've seen talking about it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oculus Spirit [97634]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 64773
Joined: 7/13/02
|
Missing that old line item veto right about now
Mar 27, 2020, 11:21 AM
|
|
That only existed, briefly, the last time we had a balanced budget btw.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [17216]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 14173
Joined: 12/14/98
|
You’re not talking about ole William Jefferson, are you?
Mar 27, 2020, 11:29 AM
|
|
He & the PUBs in Congress got close but not sure if actually “balanced” the budget?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [34089]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 33587
Joined: 9/13/99
|
There was a budget surplus in 2000.***
Mar 27, 2020, 3:44 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [22380]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 31277
Joined: 11/30/98
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [34089]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 33587
Joined: 9/13/99
|
It was invalidated a couple years earlier than that.
Mar 27, 2020, 3:43 PM
[ in reply to Missing that old line item veto right about now ] |
|
I think the Supreme Court got it right, though, because a line-item veto permits the Executive to interfere with and actually undo the result of bargains and compromises made between members of the Legislature, and thereby impedes on the separation of powers.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6101]
TigerPulse: 85%
Posts: 10117
Joined: 11/1/11
|
Re: It is OK for members of the House to have legitimate
Mar 27, 2020, 1:07 PM
|
|
Now the democrats can shift blame to a republican, what a coincidence.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
As a Republican I can safely say that
Mar 27, 2020, 2:13 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Massie****
Mar 27, 2020, 2:14 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 24
| visibility 766
|
|
|
50
