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Academic standards...


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 11:56 AM
 

If the acc "relaxed" the academic standards to let Louisville into the acc, will we be able to "relax" the academic standards to allow some recruits into Clemson?


Re: Academic standards...


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:28 PM
 

The standards are up to each school beyond the NCAA minimum,I believe.Also think that certain schools can get in a couple of partial qualifiers each year.The whole problem is,standards for D1 football should be the same.If you compared this crap in college to the pros,it would be like giving the Packers the first 5 picks in the draft every year.They would win the Super Bowl most years(Alabama) and everyone would be sick of GB(SEC).That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

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Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:48 PM
 

Clemson can't have a double standard. If the academic requirement is lowered for players then it has to be lowered for "regular" students. Then Clemson becomes USuC and has Clemson grads ringing up my Taco Bell order instead of the usual USuC grad.


This is not true


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:51 PM
 

There should be a double standard for athletes. Regular students do not make any money for the school directly. Also, the school is asking them to come to improve its name by shining on the field. No other students are asked to come to a school unless they have outstanding grades, which means they don't need any concessions to get them in.


No, you make exceptions for athletes


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:52 PM
 

Athletes already special treatment, it should not be a big deal. Barker is worried about his quest for a "Top 20 University" ranking.

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5 or 6 athletes will not hurt that rating


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:53 PM
 

and it is absurd that Barker thinks that it will.


Academic Standards should never be lowered at Clemson!


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:53 PM
 

Clemson University is a institution of learning first and sports should always be second. I am the biggest sports fan out there but my time at Clemson as a student and the hard work I put into it should never be lowered. My degree means a lot to me and lowering academic standards also lowers the meaning of a degree from Clemson University. We are NOT the school in Columbia.

Also, I hope Tahj sticks around for his senior year but I also think his decision may also be based on what Morris does.

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Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:56 PM
 

5 or 6 athletes a year will not degrade the prestige of the university. That is why there should be a double standard for athletes and "regular" students. Standards should remain high for the general population but the people who make money for the school and the winning athletic programs that boost enrollment numbers deserve to be helped out a little.


Lol, if you think athletics "makes money for the school"

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Posted: Nov 29, 2012 1:04 PM
 

And academics does not, you're funny....

Academic reputation brings in waaaay more money than athletics does or ever will. No amount of recruiting is worth lowering standards.

Derp.


Also, next time you're at it, ask the AD how much profit


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 1:13 PM
 

They bring in...


Then why is the University constantly....


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 1:46 PM
 

taking money from IPTAY and the Athletic Department to cover is budget deficits.




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The money that the university "takes" is what Athletics


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 2:06 PM
 

pays into the General Fund for shared services that come from, you know, being part of the University and not the other way around...

One For Example: Marketing of the academic brand that helps bring in student athletes.

Also, Do y'all forget State Funds are used to pay for base salaries of AD personnel?


There is NO question that athletics DOES make money


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 1:17 PM
 

for the school, IF athletics (particularly football) are successful. You can look at program after program after program across the country, and schools that develop a powerhouse football program substantially grow their student applications, student enrollment, etc.

People want to be associated with a winner. That has not, and will not, ever change. And, to me, it is clearly worth lowering the academic requirements for a few athletes if it will improve the football program.

Ohio State, Georgia and Florida are all highly ranked colleges (at or above CU). I wonder how their academic requirements for athletes compares to CU's?


Correct, having a strong athletics presence will only help


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 2:16 PM
 

raise National Reputation...likewise a weak one could (emphasis on could, not would) hurt it.

I agree with this, but the university does not depend on the athletes to be a top-notch university and/or keep schools as a whole in the black which is the point i was making.

And before you're emphatic about athletics making money, read this:

(ACC)
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2012/03/19/most-profitable-athletic-departments-acc/

and

(ALL)
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2012/03/21/highest-net-income-amongst-athletics-departments/


Just saying...some can, some can't. Fan base, Alumni size, championship earnings, media contracts, etc all play into it...Compare those schools total budgets and annual giving and see how grossly bigger they are compared to Clemson...then percentage out the athletics revenue and see how far behind/ahead we are


Can we at least agree that


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 1:24 PM
 

increased student applications and enrollment will increase school revenue?

See links below (found very quickly on google):

http://www.thesmartjournal.com/admissions.pdf

http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/07/09/how-much-do-football-wins-pay-off-for-a-college/

http://www.aaec.vt.edu/aaec/working%20papers/2008_05.pdf


Re: Academic standards...


Posted: Nov 29, 2012 1:17 PM
 

Every D1 school makes exceptions for athletes. Each school determines how low they will set the standard as long as it complies with the NCAA minimum. I have never seen in writing Clemson or USC policy on what is acceptable for athletes.


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