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Well it was 2012 so no Beasley. He would definitely
Apr 17, 2015, 11:09 AM
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be one of the DEs if this were updated. I also don't think Whitehurst would be my QB.
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Re: ALL TIME CLEMSON DEFENSE TEAM
Apr 17, 2015, 11:20 AM
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Give me Anthony Simmons at one of the LB spots.
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Simmons HAS to be on list
Apr 17, 2015, 11:25 AM
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And I would drop Bowers and put Jeff Bryant on it in a heartbeat.
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Anthony Simmons is a MUST!
Apr 17, 2015, 2:53 PM
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Had he played at Miami or FSU, he would have been a candidate for every award. One of the top 5 college linebackers of my lifetime.
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He is still, the greatest LB who ever played at Clemson***
Apr 17, 2015, 3:36 PM
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Re: He is still, the greatest LB who ever played at Clemson***
Apr 17, 2015, 11:10 PM
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Sorry to disagree, but I would not rank him ahead of Davis or Kirkland after watching all three play. In fact I might put Adams and Anthony ahead of him. He was a great talent, but he DEFINITELY took plays off and didn't give his all on every play.
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First of all, Terry Kinard was a safety
Apr 17, 2015, 11:33 AM
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He should be listed as the other safety to Brian Dawkins. Deandre McDaniel should not be there. Donnell Woolford or Dexter Davis should be the other corner.
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Re: First of all, Terry Kinard was a safety
Apr 17, 2015, 11:22 PM
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Actually I love Terry Kinard, he was great SAFETY. He was an incredible tackler, had excellent ball hawking instincts, and was a superb leader. Alas he was just average at pass coverage which what corners must do. Justin Miller on the same team was a better cover man. I agree about Woolford or Davis.
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Re: ALL TIME CLEMSON DEFENSE TEAM
Apr 17, 2015, 12:07 PM
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Thar list is so twisted up its not even funny. 1st off- way too many recent players on there. No need to discredit older gens. 2nd of all, the only national player of the year we have ever had isn't on that list. Major red flag. And as much as Stephon anthony has do e recently, he's not beating out anthony Simmons, much less the lb on that list. How quickly we forget how great these older guys were. And no, I don't think Beasley takes a DE spot as a pass rush specialist. Give me Gaines or bowers and especially Michael dean any day. Nothing against vic, just those guys were incredibly special.
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Re: ALL TIME CLEMSON DEFENSE TEAM
Apr 17, 2015, 12:08 PM
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And Terry Allen is the best rb we have ever had. It's really not close. If you call on CJ as APB, then so be it. But it's listed as a rb so I take Allen all day, any day.
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CJ has to be on there, IMO, our best player ever at
Apr 17, 2015, 12:57 PM
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any position with Sammy # 2. Allen was great though.
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Re: CJ has to be on there, IMO, our best player ever at
Apr 17, 2015, 1:02 PM
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How old are you?
Terry Kinard was the National Defensive Player of The Year.
Did CJ make first team all-american?
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57 thanks for reminding me. I'd have Kinard# 3 but I might
Apr 17, 2015, 1:10 PM
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Be biased, he used to use me around the hoop at Fike.
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whippersnapper***
Apr 18, 2015, 4:11 PM
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Re: CJ has to be on there, IMO, our best player ever at
Apr 18, 2015, 4:51 PM
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Definitely one of the worst travesties in the history if the award.
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Re: CJ has to be on there, IMO, our best player ever at
Apr 18, 2015, 4:52 PM
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"of"
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Re: CJ has to be on there, IMO, our best player ever at
Apr 18, 2015, 6:39 PM
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He would be a good change of pace back playing behind Terry Allen. 3rd down guy. But as a rb, he couldn't hold Terry's jock.
TA was a man among boys AND could outrun entire defenses.
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For RBs, I'd definitely include Terry Allen...
Apr 17, 2015, 12:09 PM
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Dude was a beast. He and CJ would have been better than Davis and CJ. Davis and Ellington though would round out my 4 deep for RBs. Can you imagine that stable of Allen, Spiller, Davis, Ellington. Wow!
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I agree, top 2 RBs at Clemson---Allen and Spiller***
Apr 17, 2015, 3:37 PM
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DeAndre McDaniel seems way out of place on that team....
Apr 17, 2015, 12:11 PM
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He was a good player, but nowhere close to making the list. I would have Kinard listed as a Safety, and then Donnell Woolford as the other CB.
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Re: DeAndre McDaniel seems way out of place on that team....
Apr 17, 2015, 12:17 PM
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I Bennie Cunningham was really good...but so was John McMakin.....I know spiller was really good, but Terry Allen was better....I did not see David Treadwell on here either. did not see Joe Bostic Either....did not see Jim Riggs either...I am not slighting any of our stars, we had a lot of them, but we had a good brand of football in the late 70s and 80s.....oh yeah, what about Big Chester McGlockton and Brenston Buckner?
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Re: DeAndre McDaniel seems way out of place on that team....
Apr 18, 2015, 9:35 AM
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McGovern was the best DL in the nation, and should be on the list.
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McGlockton***
Apr 18, 2015, 10:04 AM
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Definitely on it:
Apr 17, 2015, 12:14 PM
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The one Clemson guy that was the pilot and the only man to die in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Dont' know his name, but guess I should look it up.
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Thnx, good read***
Apr 17, 2015, 4:21 PM
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Thanks to you, I'm glad Im getting lots of discussion
Apr 18, 2015, 10:02 AM
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out of this. I just knew I was going to be bombarded with GERMANS GERMANS GERMANS -__-
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Re: ALL TIME CLEMSON DEFENSE TEAM
Apr 17, 2015, 12:29 PM
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I would have liked to seen Chester McGlockton on here but maybe I am biased since I remember sitting next to him in the Student Union one day and thinking his calves were bigger than my neck.
Speaking of good returners, they mentioned Justin Miller and Jacoby Ford, what has happened to our return game? Sammy had some flashes but I was always afraid he was going to get hurt. I never seemed to be worried about Justin Miller getting hurt. Are defensive back just a little tougher in the return game maybe?
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Mines all time D or since 1965 (sorry Banks):
Apr 17, 2015, 12:38 PM
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DT Chester McGlockton
DT William Perry
DE Gaines Adams
DE Vic Beasley
LB Anthony Simmons
LB Jeff Davis
LB Levon Kirkland
CB Donnell Woolford
CB Antuan Edwards
SS Brian Dawkins
FS Terry Kinard
safety and DT were very hard, the other positions not so much. It was real hard to leave Robert Carswell off as safety, great player.
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Re: Mines all time D or since 1965 (sorry Banks):
Apr 18, 2015, 1:23 AM
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You have it nailed except I would put Michael dean at de instead of vic. He was that dominant
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Re: ALL TIME CLEMSON DEFENSE TEAM
Apr 17, 2015, 1:48 PM
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Not sure how Donnell Woolford and Anthony Simmons gets left off this team.
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Re: ALL TIME CLEMSON DEFENSE TEAM
Apr 17, 2015, 3:01 PM
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Come to think of it, Andy Headen was no slouch
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Re: ALL TIME CLEMSON DEFENSE TEAM
Apr 17, 2015, 3:17 PM
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I always find it hard to put guys like Banks McFadden in this lists. I've never seen him play nor did many of the Tiger faithful I've ever known.
I know this from 2012 but
Here is mine
QB T. Boyd easy one here
RB Raymond Priester/James Davis I can't decide so both along with CJ
WRs Sammy Watkins, Deandre Hopkins, Perry Tuttle
TE Duane Allen
DT Grady Jarrett (flame away) both Perry boys
DE Vic Beasley, Daquan Bowers
LB Anthony Simmons, Keith Adams, Wayne Simmons
S Brian Dawkins Deandre McDaniel
CB I'm at a loss here.
P Gardoki
Pk Cat Man
K & P return. CJ Spiller how could they not put this one on the list? IMO this is the biggest no-brainer on the list.
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that's funny
Apr 18, 2015, 8:36 AM
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"I've never seen him play"
I never saw Heisman play. Nor has most of the other audience on here.
McFadden played in the 30's.
I think most of the Tigernet audience is not a hundred.
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The Team is lead by Anthony Simmons
Apr 17, 2015, 3:33 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, it looks like this.
LINEBACKERS:
Anthony Simmons, Levon Kirkland & Keith Adams
DEF ENDS:
Michael Dean Perry and Gaines Adams
DEF TACKLES:
Williams Perry and Chester McGlocton
Corners:
Donnell Wolford and Dexter Davis
Safeties:
Brian Dawkins and Robert Oneal
#21
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Re: The Team is lead by Anthony Simmons
Apr 18, 2015, 1:27 AM
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> As far as I'm concerned, it looks like this.
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> LINEBACKERS:
> Anthony Simmons, Levon Kirkland & Keith Adams
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> Michael Dean Perry and Gaines Adams
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> Williams Perry and Chester McGlocton
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> Donnell Wolford and Dexter Davis
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> Brian Dawkins and Robert Oneal
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> #21
Pretty good but you lost me at safety. O'Neal wasn't best safety on that team. Leomont Evans was better and played for skins for a while. But again, Kinard has to be in that slot.
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Their List is terrible***
Apr 17, 2015, 3:35 PM
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Seriously where is all this Anthony Simmons love coming from
Apr 17, 2015, 11:44 PM
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I thought he was a good linebacker but honestly I would never put him ahead of Jeff Davis, Levon Kirkland, Keith Adams, or Wayne Simmons, probably not ahead of Anthony. Sorry but to me the guy took plays off and didn't get it on every play. In the losses against UNC and Missouri in 1996 he looked flat out terrible, and that may color my opinion, but I sure wouldn't take him over Jeff Davis who I saw grunt out every down against Virginia Tech with a sprained knee.
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Jeff Davis is the best pure FB player
Apr 18, 2015, 12:46 AM
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I have seen with a Paw on his helmet in 40 yrs. as a Tiger fan....period. However, Simmons has to be on this list. Hell, Ed McDaniel should be here too and it boggles my mind how overlooked Jeff Bryant always is.....guy was an absolute beast at Clemson and a 12 yr. Seahawk starter.
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At DT, I think you could pick any two out of McGlockton,
Apr 18, 2015, 7:33 AM
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both Perry brothers, Brentson Buckner, and Jeff Bryant and not be wrong.
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I think it would come down to Simmons or Jeff Davis
Apr 18, 2015, 7:29 AM
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as our best LB ever. From day one in 1995 as a true freshman, he was the best player on our team. He was first team All ACC three straight years and was a consensus first team All American in 1997. He was the national defensive freshman of the year in 1995.
He was a tacking machine. If you want proof, watch the coot game in 1995 (the game where Emory Smith drug th coot down the field). He dominated in that game.
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Wow guys, best response Ive ever gotten. For me
Apr 18, 2015, 8:07 AM
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I think its hard to just go 1 deep. a 2 deep would be much easier to do, and as far as I'm concerned the d- line is a 4 deep position chart. Running Backs, same thing maybe even deeper. But corner back is a tough one, It's not like corners in the leather helmet days are what corners are today and even from the 80s I wouldn't say the corners are equal as far as what they are asked to do, everyone back then just ran an option attack.
But great feedback guys. I love these kinds of conversations!
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Just my opinion here
Apr 18, 2015, 9:34 AM
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You have to have Terry Allen on here....as a pure RB, best I have seen at Clemson. Donnell Woolford, Jeff Bryant, Leomont Evans, Ed McDaniel need to be here too, without question. You cannot do this without going at least two deep across the board. The Bostic boys on OL definitely with Steve Kinney and Marvin Sims at FB are no brainers in my mind along with Delton Hall at CB too. Chester at DT is another one. Johnny Rembert is another forgotten beast at LB along with Jeff Bryant. Bryant had a 12 year pro career as a starter with Seattle.
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Leomomt Evans would be on my 4 deep at Safety. Rembert
Apr 18, 2015, 10:22 AM
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would probably make a 3deep. The rest I agree with. They were both great players though.
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What do you think about my pick of Antuan Edwards as the
Apr 18, 2015, 10:17 AM
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2nd corner over Dexter Davis, Justin Miller, and Brian Mance? Tough one gor sure. Edwards had two intercepts against coots in 97, one for a TD in Columbia. That put him over the top for me.
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Re: What do you think about my pick of Antuan Edwards as the
Apr 18, 2015, 6:41 PM
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Delton Hall. Played for steelers for a long time. Would take him over those you mentioned. But I think when it's all said all and done, Breeland and Mack Deuce will have a chance to crack that list.
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Re: ALL TIME CLEMSON DEFENSE TEAM
Apr 18, 2015, 3:00 PM
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Guys we are forgetting Willie Underwood. The destruction that he reaped on George Roger's 1980 South Carolina team in Death Valley is at least deserves a mention. That one game was the best I have ever seen ANY defensive back play at Clemson. Unfortunately it was his last.
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