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SPECIAL TEAMS: I heard Mickey Plyler defending our special
Jan 19, 2016, 11:02 PM
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teams on the radio the other day. He was saying we aren't that bad. Insinuating our special teams weren't a negative.
Is he nuts?
Our special teams are HORRIBLE. As a whole, we have some of the worst special teams in the country. That's not only looking at the "elite" teams, its looking at all 128 teams in 1-A.
We are bad on special teams. Really, really bad. It's a wonder we've done as well as we have, in spite of our terrible special teams. And when I say terrible, I mean terrible.
Yea, we gave up some big pass plays against Alabama. Our safeties got caught looking in the backfield 3 or 4 times and it hurts us, but I'm here to tell you our special teams cost is the national championship. Maybe that's already obvious to some, but then there are others, like Mickey Plyler, who apparently have their head in the sand. Our special teams need new coaches or new techniques.
It's just that simple. I've heard Danny Pearman is the Special Teams Coach and I've heard we coach special teams by committee. Whichever way it is, we need to fix it immediately. Like, before spring practice immediately.
What are you waiting on Dabo Swinney? Please, sir, tell me your head isn't also in the sand??
Greg Huegal aside, the whole thing needs to be gutted and replaced. We were 15th in FG %, otherwise, special teams suck. They suck really, really bad.
We were the #1 team in every playoff poll leading up to the national championship, in spite of horrid special teams. Ever heard the old saying you need to win 2 of 3 between offense, defense, and special teams to win a game? Well darn good thing we had an awesome offense and defense, because without them both we'd be fortunate to be in the top 25 let alone play for the national title.
I think we were better than Alabama. I think we should have won the game. We had more yards against them than anyone in 40 games. Not since Johnnie Manziel and Texas A&M did anyone have as many yards against them as we did. Almost 3 complete seasons. Hats off to the offense. We obviously did well enough on offense to win the national championship.
Our defense gave up 473 yards against Alabama, but most of it was on one long run and 4 chunk pas plays. Safeties needs to do better. Much better than what they did against Alabama. Odd how the two main safeties are off the NFL, but in any case, obviously our defense is one of the main reasons we've been so good and the #1 team for most of this season. The big plays hurt, but I still think we were good enough between offense and defense to win the game.
Special Teams? Not so much. I believe they were the reason we lost the national championship. And much like Dabo changed the defense after getting killed against WVA, its time to change the special teams. Now.
Our kickoff coverage is absolutely horrible. We were 116th in the country! Nowhere near good enough to be an elite team winning national championships. We were one of only two teams in the entire country to give up 3 TD's on kickoffs, and oh yeah, one of those was in the national championship game. What the crap is wrong with our kickoff coverage team? And don't give me the jimmy/joe junk that Mickey was spewing, because it just isn't truth. We have plenty of good athletes on our team capable of playing kickoff coverage. Don't tell me it was because we didn't consistently get touchbacks. You should be able to kick it in the corner at the 3 yard kine and cover it. Most everyone else can do it, why not us? It's because we don't know how to coach it, that's why. Why in sam hill were we 116th?? Why did we give up more TDs than 126 other teams in the country?
On punt coverage, we were 34th. Not too bad, but shouldn't the #1 team in the country be higher ranked than that? I don't know, but....
Punt returns? Gimme a break. What punt returns?? Again, we have some of the best athletes in the country, yet we can't do better than 123rd in punt returns? That's right, 123rd. Only Louisiana-Monroe, Old Dominion, Kansas, Idaho, and Connecticut were worse than us. Did I mention we were the #1 team since the very first playoff poll? Yet we were in the last 6 teams in the country in punt returns? Why is that? Because we are not coached well in this segment, that's why. Our defense was awesome again this year. We were in the to 25 in forcing punts, yet 123rd in returns. This has got to change.
Sorry Mickey, but you sir are dead wrong. Our special teams are, as a whole, atrocious. As one of the elite teams in the country, we need to repair them right away. We lost the national championship because of a horrible fundamental error that we've been doing all year and Nick Saban saw it, and we gave up a 100 yard TD while finishing 116th in kickoff coverage.
When is Dabo scheduled to speak to the public again? I sure hope he mentions something about making changes that will help us win the national title in 2016.
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i hope franc gets here soon...
Jan 19, 2016, 11:04 PM
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he's been waiting for this post.
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Re: SPECIAL TEAMS: I heard Mickey Plyler defending our special
Jan 19, 2016, 11:13 PM
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And this post I say AMEN!
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Re: SPECIAL TEAMS: I heard Mickey Plyler defending our special
Jan 19, 2016, 11:14 PM
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WARNING the sunshine pumpers are coming and they will downvote lol
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For what it's worth, I'm an overly optimistic orange-
Jan 19, 2016, 11:19 PM
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blooded Clemson man who has stuck with Dabo since day 1. Obviously he's turned out to be one of the best coaches in America and will hopefully be around for a long time and continue to add to his legacy. However, special teams are the reason we didn't win the national championship this season and I'm afraid they'll cost another huge game somewhere down the line if we don't fix it right away. That's not the opposite of sunshine pumping. That's just telling the truth. No need to draw the pumper/dumper line in the sand, it is what is is and it sucks.
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Re: For what it's worth, I'm an overly optimistic orange-
Jan 19, 2016, 11:43 PM
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Specials teams aren't the only reason we lost what about the coverage bust over and over on D
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Re: For what it's worth, I'm an overly optimistic orange-
Jan 20, 2016, 12:45 AM
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Yes and what about the missed calls, DW's INT and the stalled drives???
You can make excuses, but look at this logically... any one play and we couldve changed the outcome.
There were 17 points lost by special teams:
1 missed FG
1 Onside kick that led to a TD (You can blame this on D I know)
1 Kick return
17 POINTS!!!!
We lost by 5... Special teams IS the issue.
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Not sure anyone has their head in the sand...
Jan 20, 2016, 8:19 AM
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...that said, you haven't really offered anything.
We need to improve on special teams...our team and program are top 5 in the country right now...yet we have something to work on.
It's not like we were under .500, lost to our rival at home (for 2 straight in series, lost to the Citadel, had a coach quit half way through a season and just hired a re-tread who couldn't win at Florida.
That's trouble...special teams being addressed is a pretty minor thing.
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Haven't offered anything??
Jan 20, 2016, 8:22 AM
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Did you read the rankings? Did you watch the national championship game? Did you watch this season? Have you been watching the last few seasons?
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i'm still pisssed about losing that Rare Natty appearance especially since
Jan 19, 2016, 11:24 PM
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We had the O & D to Gut eR Done..but somehow the coaching staff wanted to shut their eyes all year long on two almost last place stats involving the Special Teams.
And, the entire Clemson Football Team overall should be pisssed tOO!
Geez..get to the Natty & screw it up like that!!
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Re: i'm still pisssed about losing that Rare Natty appearance especially since
Jan 19, 2016, 11:41 PM
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For what it's worth, we need a kicker who can put the freaking ball in the end zone ,also get a punt,and KO returner.
I hope Powell and Ray Ray can help ,and oh yeah, somebody that can coach em up.
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Re: i'm still pisssed about losing that Rare Natty appearance especially since
Jan 20, 2016, 12:33 AM
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I am glad you brought this up ,., I haven't read any more than war and peace size threads
since Monday the 11 th ., I am sure Dabo has watched the game and will address our problems .,
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That read like some of the chit STS wrote about our S&C...
Jan 20, 2016, 6:06 AM
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program a few years back. I'm not even arguing with you here man. Shall we sell the practice field?
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Just proves that Dabo reads T-Net
Jan 20, 2016, 6:36 AM
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The fact he read about our S&C problems here first and then obviously had a little chat with Batson.
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For what it's worth, we got whipped often in S&C until the
Jan 20, 2016, 8:16 AM
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Chick-Fil-A bowl against LSU, when we made changes in S&C techniques during the preparation for that game. If you recall before that game, the most common talking point was that they were going to physically beat the snooze out of us. We instituted some chnages in the way we do things, and the we've improved in the S&C area no doubt. But not until we made changes. Good point. Relevant point.
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so since we were out of shape and weak until then....
Jan 20, 2016, 9:07 AM
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having continuity in leadership, we we're able to fix it in a month of preparation? Seems logical.
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Re: For what it's worth, we got whipped often in S&C until the
Jan 20, 2016, 10:24 AM
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Apparently the S&C staff is almost double what it was 5-6 years ago.
And they've clearly made massive strides over that period of time. Batson and his entire crew for that.
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Re: For what it's worth, we got whipped often in S&C until the
Jan 20, 2016, 10:57 AM
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That last sentence should read: "Kudos to Batson and his entire crew for that"
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If we bought it we probably could sell burial lots for...
Jan 20, 2016, 9:18 AM
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Stanley's scoks.
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It's amazing you heard that when I didn't say it.
Jan 20, 2016, 6:22 AM
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I said they were terrible. What I said was that it was personnel and not scheme. Amazing how you completely missed the point of the conversation. I said it four or five times that they were awful but they had to replace all six specialists from last year and personnel was the issue.
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Re: It's amazing you heard that when I didn't say it.
Jan 20, 2016, 6:39 AM
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Mickey, pay this OP no mind. We just came off a season where we almost won the natty. Coots dont like that. We didnt lose the game because of special teams. We lost the game because we didnt cover the TE.
Its boring over in cootland these days.
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New specialists don't explain some of the problems
Jan 20, 2016, 6:54 AM
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such as kickoff coverage and punt returns. And even if it did, wouldn't that also fall under lack of good special teams coaching in that there weren't adequate, coached-up players at those positions at an elite program?
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Exactly. The natty wasn't an exception. It was the norm.
Jan 20, 2016, 8:11 AM
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Minus someone abusing our lack of fundamentals (watching the ball until kicked and stay in your zone/lane) on the onside kickoff, we've seen the lack of punt returns and poor kickoff coverage for years. Completely unacceptable for a program on our level. This wasn't a jimmy/joe thing or an anomaly by any stretch of the imagination.
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Mascot [24]
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No Mickey. It's not amazing I heard that. You spent at
Jan 20, 2016, 7:43 AM
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least an entire segment pointing toward FGs and punt coverage, and defending the special teams as a whole. I listened closely and intent1y. 'Defending' is the clear point here, and I don't know how myself or anyone could have missed the point. Replacing specialists is a lame reason, bubba. This wasn't the first year we've sucked in those areas, and we have as much talent or more than anyone available to play on those teams, this year included. Kickoff coverage and punt returns especially have long been a weight to our program. Maybe you didn't express yourself as well as you think you did? It happens, perhaps more than you realize.I like your show, but that discussion was off.
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Feathers are flying around like expected snow flakes.***
Jan 20, 2016, 8:08 AM
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Sorry dude, but you misspelled "facts".***
Jan 20, 2016, 8:12 AM
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Joined 1/16/16, huh?
Jan 20, 2016, 7:02 AM
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Yawn
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I'm sorry, but
Jan 20, 2016, 8:19 AM
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what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Yawn back at ya, dude.
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good morning shanely, you're not supposed to be here at all.***
Jan 20, 2016, 8:25 AM
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Per TigerNet etiquette, the waiting period before hurling
Jan 20, 2016, 8:26 AM
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insults at the resident bloggers is usually 7-10 days.
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that's just 1 of the reasons shanely is a special snowflake
Jan 20, 2016, 8:29 AM
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and has been permanently banned from tigernet.
her tmails are to die for...
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Bubba, special snowflake?
Jan 20, 2016, 8:43 AM
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First of all, I think I read where all snowflakes are different.
Secondly, it's fellas like you that inspired my handle. 50 (you're 51 now right though?) going on 15, maybe 14, that's no way to live a "life" sir. Good luck, although it's clear it's going to take more than luck to fix your level of immaturity. You're one of those fellas who p;aces their daily dose of self-esteem on your juvenile posts on a website, aren't ya?
I'll sit back and watch. By the way, are you a disabled guy or an unemployed guy? Just wondering. Nothing wrong with that either way, unless of course you choose to be a stay at home bum. Either way, obviously you have no job. Your favorite thing in life is obviously - Tigernet pimpin and self-esteem boosting, yeah baby! LOL.
Take care sir. Good luck with your two dozen posts today. Maybe you'll get lots of points and support from your online friends who you wouldn't know if you passed them on the street. Especially considering you never go outside to actually walk down a street. Poor fella.
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hi stanley...
Jan 20, 2016, 8:45 AM
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goodbye stanley.
@B-Meist
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If this wasn't the most epic pot calling the kettle black
Jan 20, 2016, 9:28 AM
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I have no idea what is.
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is bubba not mickey's middle name?***
Jan 20, 2016, 8:40 AM
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Yeah, it's short for statistics***
Jan 20, 2016, 8:42 AM
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Seemed like you were more concerned with calling out Mackey
Jan 20, 2016, 8:53 AM
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I guess I was wrong.
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it's stanley aka iraniantaxidriver aka dr ######## aka
Jan 20, 2016, 8:27 AM
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choose defense first and a cast of 100s of others.
@B-Meist
goodbye stanley.
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Haha forgot about iraniantaxidriver...
Jan 20, 2016, 8:51 AM
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he/she/it is always good for a laugh
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apparently she got out, i was hoping they'd have adjusted
Jan 20, 2016, 8:52 AM
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her meds by now, but it didn't take.
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Was "singles are better than home runs" her as well ?***
Jan 20, 2016, 9:24 AM
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haha, no, that was baseball fan/practiceguy.***
Jan 20, 2016, 9:26 AM
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he juan up'd hisself a couple years back arguing how ERA is determined and go figure... he was wrong.
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Ahhhhh, yes. Now I has the remembers. But it was a very
Jan 20, 2016, 9:31 AM
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"Stanley"-esque position that baseball fan presented.
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haha, yeps, they will forever share a common bond...***
Jan 20, 2016, 9:35 AM
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Re: SPECIAL TEAMS: I heard Mickey Plyler defending our special
Jan 20, 2016, 7:50 AM
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You sir are right... I said all year, after the kickoff returns for TD's at Louisville and NC State... If we do that in a close game against a good team, It will cost us the game.... And it cost us the National Championship.... The momentum swing is huge when that happens... The onside kick was a great call... The kickoff return should have never happened....
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I think it has to be partly scheme on KO
Jan 20, 2016, 8:28 AM
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Pinion covered up a lot of flaws by kicking it out of the endzone the entire time he was there. I have been holding my breath on kick coverage before and after Pinion for years.
Something has to be wrong with the scheme because players have changed year after year and even during the year and we still can't cover a kick,
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TL;DR***
Jan 20, 2016, 8:43 AM
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Clemson is the 3rd youngest team in the nation
Jan 20, 2016, 9:00 AM
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Clemson is loaded with talent all across the board. However, that talent is super young at the moment.Our kicking isn't what ails Clemson right now. It is Special Teams Coverage. Well we had mostly true freshmen out on kick off coverage and receiving this past season. So you can expect some busted coverage or missed blocking assignments. They will get better as time progresses. Coach Swinney was a little thin at players he could find to fill the roles of players that either graduated or left for the NFL last season. I think the team will be more complete as a whole with the experience they have gained from last season. We will be alright.
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Re: Clemson is the 3rd youngest team in the nation
Jan 20, 2016, 1:00 PM
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Special teams have been bad for years
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Someone decided to go on offense first...
Jan 20, 2016, 9:07 AM
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for a change.
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Mickey is clueless..your facts are
Jan 20, 2016, 9:13 AM
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Correct. Good job. I agree
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Oculus Spirit [93608]
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Posts: 95384
Joined: 12/25/09
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Deer Mickey,
Jan 20, 2016, 9:22 AM
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I wonder if you put out corn to attract all the chickens that seems to gather around you.
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Legend [19352]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 22266
Joined: 4/25/04
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Re: SPECIAL TEAMS: I heard Mickey Plyler defending our special
Jan 20, 2016, 9:44 AM
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Oh man I hate I didnt get to play with Stanley this morning.
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Orange Blooded [3521]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 3859
Joined: 5/14/01
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Ain't no sense in beating, this horse ain't gonna get up
Jan 20, 2016, 10:09 AM
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It's been years in the making. Not just this year.
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