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CU Medallion [55747]
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Dude's crying like a baby. Not a Trump kinda guy.
Sep 27, 2018, 3:50 PM
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Let's move on.
Get the Indian dude ready.
Dems you win. Midterms won't involve a SCOTUS fight, but that doesn't mean you will win in November. You've just riled up the Trump base. We'll be out in force to #### in your little blue wave.
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All-In [28802]
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I'm once again reminded what morons Trump guys are***
Sep 27, 2018, 3:51 PM
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Lot o points [181005]
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You wouldn't be able to get out one sentence...
Sep 27, 2018, 3:56 PM
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if you had to defend yourself up there against this BS.
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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A credible witness accusing you of attempted rape
Sep 27, 2018, 3:58 PM
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is not BS.
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Lot o points [181005]
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What makes her credible? the Dr. in front of name?***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:00 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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Would you believe her if she was a witness to
Sep 27, 2018, 4:12 PM
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murder if you were on the jury and this was the only evidence?
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All-In [28802]
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It isn't the only evidence
Sep 27, 2018, 4:18 PM
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In your hypothetical, none of the other people the sole witness named as fellow witnesses are corroborating her story, and the accused has lots of small pieces of evidence that suggest he didn't do it.
But the issue isn't the credibility of Ford or her testimony, it's that there's absolutely nothing to corroborate anything Ford says. Meanwhile, Kavanaugh had a sterling reputation until the last week.
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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What evidence does he have that suggest he didn’t do it?***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:29 PM
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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Sounds like a question during the Salem Witch Trials.***
Sep 27, 2018, 5:53 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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Cam opened that up by claiming that he did. Take
Sep 27, 2018, 5:58 PM
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my side and I can watch you and Cam go at again.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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Be that as it may...
Sep 27, 2018, 6:11 PM
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Innocent until proven guilty. Metoo movement is actively against that. We are told to be prejudiced and assume accusations are accurate. I will never stand for something so obviously unjust and insane.
I don't care about the political context. I care about civil rights.
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Legend [18023]
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Just to be clear, you'd be for investigating the charges
Sep 27, 2018, 6:14 PM
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and not simply dismissing them? Correct?
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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Absolutely. But it should hold 0 weight on anything until/unless
Sep 27, 2018, 6:18 PM
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he was convicted. An accusation should effect nothing except triggering an investigation.
Innocent until proven guilty should actually mean innocent until proven guilty.
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Legend [18023]
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I agree. So, there should be an investigation, yes?***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:20 PM
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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Any time there is an accusation there should be an investiga
Sep 27, 2018, 6:24 PM
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tion. Every single time. But literally nothing else should change until the investigation/trial is concluded, unless a person admits to it/pleads guilty.
BTW false accusations should be treated as felonies.
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Re: Be that as it may...
Sep 27, 2018, 7:12 PM
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He isn't on trial by a judge and jury. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to the court of public opinion or the Senate for that matter. This is a lifetime appointment, and anyone with Kavanaugh's record shouldn't get the position.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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Based on an accusation? That's a mob mentality.***
Sep 27, 2018, 7:13 PM
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Orange Blooded [4747]
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Re: Based on an accusation? That's a mob mentality.***
Sep 27, 2018, 7:54 PM
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When it comes to a Supreme Court nominee, I want them to be as clean as possible and qualified. I hate Gorsuch but he passed all the tests. Kavanaugh has too many skeletons.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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So you think it's ok for decisions to be made based merely
Sep 27, 2018, 10:45 PM
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on accusations, if the decisions are important.
That attitude is exactly why it is a great political weapon to simply accuse someone of something that is a hot-button issue. Because the truth, in that scenario, doesn't matter. Simply accusing someone derails them. Identity politics is far more dangerous to this country than Russians, or terrorists, or China. We gladly turn on one another over two-party tribalism.
It's like you didn't learn ANYTHING from McCarthyism or the Red scare. As if it never happened.
Either we are innocent until proven guilty, or not. Don't make arbitrary distinctions as if one is ok and the other isn't.
You want a mob mentality to be at play here. You are ok with judgment without a fair chance to defend one's self. How politically convenient.
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All-TigerNet [10871]
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Innocent until proven guilty applies to everyone...
Sep 27, 2018, 8:00 PM
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Not sure where you’re getting this is a special circumstance. We all know it’s an important appointment, but where not changing the rule of law in any instance. ESPECIALLY when there’s a possibility it could be abused for political agendas. That’s a no no.
Anyone that doesn’t believe in that can go live in another country where women get stoned to death at mere accusations. See if that’s your cup of tea.
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Re: It isn't the only evidence
Sep 27, 2018, 4:30 PM
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In your hypothetical, none of the other people the sole witness named as fellow witnesses are corroborating her story, and the accused has lots of small pieces of evidence that suggest he didn't do it.
But the issue isn't the credibility of Ford or her testimony, it's that there's absolutely nothing to corroborate anything Ford says. Meanwhile, Kavanaugh had a sterling reputation until the last week.
She has 4 people who offered sworn statements that she discussed the incident with starting in 2012. That's evidence, it's not a tape....but it's corraboration or at a minimum proof that she's not just some political operative.
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She told them in 2012 it was Kavanaugh?***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:32 PM
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All-In [28802]
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No, it's corroboration that she talked about it
Sep 27, 2018, 4:51 PM
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It's not corroboration of anything that she alleges
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Legend [18023]
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It's corroboration that she isn't just making things up now
Sep 27, 2018, 4:57 PM
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so she's either telling the truth, or she's been making this up since 2012 based on that information.
Correct?
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All-In [28802]
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Something like that, yes
Sep 27, 2018, 5:11 PM
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I don't think you have to believe she just made this up out of whole cloth to not believe exactly what she's saying, though. It does seem odd that she never said anything about this for 29 years and then it only came out during therapy.
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Which, if true, isn't all that unusual with these cases***
Sep 27, 2018, 5:15 PM
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Lot o points [155909]
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lol***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:20 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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There is no proof. Just her testimony.***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:06 PM
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Lot o points [155909]
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bingo, so innocent till proven guilty prevails, right?***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:19 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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No, I think based on her testimony, I
Sep 27, 2018, 4:27 PM
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don’t have reasonable doubt that he is guilty. There is some doubt but not reasonable doubt.
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Lot o points [155909]
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Isn't it not having reasonable doubt that he's guilty that
Sep 27, 2018, 4:29 PM
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matters?
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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What I meant. Amended.***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:31 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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Nope.***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:28 PM
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CU Medallion [55747]
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Lot o points [181005]
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For sexual assault?***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:13 PM
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CU Medallion [55747]
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No. Thank goodness. Testifying in a case.
Sep 27, 2018, 4:24 PM
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But this whole mess has reminded me to NEVER seek public office.
I'd be doomed.
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"Show business for ugly people" - James Carville.***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:19 PM
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All-In [28802]
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We used to say, "Hollywood for ugly people"
Sep 27, 2018, 4:25 PM
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But not because people were theatrical. It was because so many people were famous.
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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fame without the money.
Sep 27, 2018, 4:43 PM
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Whats the point
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Re: Dude's crying like a baby. Not a Trump kinda guy.
Sep 27, 2018, 3:58 PM
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you want to know what entitled is, there it is on full display.
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Huh?***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:22 PM
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Re: Dude's crying like a baby. Not a Trump kinda guy.
Sep 27, 2018, 4:04 PM
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I wouldn't mistake the mans emotion for weakness. Takes a heck of a guy to pour himself out like that.
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CU Medallion [55747]
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Agreed. Just saying, this is not Trumplike behavior.***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:23 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83121]
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Yep, Trump is a bada$$.***
Sep 27, 2018, 4:32 PM
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CU Medallion [55747]
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he's gettin' 'er done with peace and prosperity
Sep 27, 2018, 4:39 PM
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that's badassery to me
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