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For those people wanting a 8 team playoff

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 7:43 AM
 

If the playoff were expanded to 8 teams with 5 automatic conference champs and 3 at large teams, it would create an unique advantage for the at large teams that don’t play in a conference championship game. More rest and more time to prepare, especially since the first round games would probably be played earlier. As much as I don’t like the controversy the 4 team playoff creates, its the best option right now.

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how bout those who want a 10 team playoff

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:03 AM
 

for the 10 conference champions..

no at larges..no polls..no opinions

win, you're in.

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Re: how bout those who want a 10 team playoff


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:43 PM
 

There are only 5 conferences.

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Re: how bout those who want a 10 team playoff

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 10:48 PM
 

CFP LLC is owned by the 10 conferences, "Power 5" and "Group of 5", and Notre Dame.

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What if the playoff expanded to six teams...

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:06 AM
 

... and the top two ‘non conf championship teams’ played each other as a play in game; #s 1 & 2 got a first round bye; #s 3 & 6 and 4 & 5 played each other mid December; then finish the championdhip with four teams as we do now?

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Re: If playoff expanded to six teams - Don't Agree


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 9:51 AM
 

Don't agree with a six-team playoff involving BYES. Byes simply create huge unfair advantage for a couple of teams. Instead of playing, 2 get to sit back - rest - heal - prepare & plan more.

Basically, Bama got a bye last year before playing CU by skipping SEC Champ Game. CU & UGA had to play an extra game before heading to playoffs. Seemed to work out well for C. Tide.

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Re: If playoff expanded to six teams - Don't Agree

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 6:42 PM
 

I personally like the 6 teams but I do understand the argument against a bye. I think 8 is too many because then you get auto bids for conference champs and good out of conference games will go away because everyone will just focus on winning their conference.
I think 6 is good because it gives a couple extra teams a chance and opens the door for a ucf 'cinderella' type team to have a fair chance. But then 3&4 are punished and have to play an extra game.

Which brings me to my favorite idea. Leave the playoff how it is now (4 teams), but you must win on championship Saturday to be considered. So conference championships continue as they are now, but we also add a "play-in" game that weekend featuring 2 other teams. This year it could be ucf vs Notre Dame. Last year it could've been ucf vs. alabama. That way the playing field is fair (everyone plays the same number of games). And it opens the door for non-power five / independent teams in a 4 team playoff.

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Issues w/ 8-team playoff

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:06 AM
 

There would be many issues with expanding the CFP to 8 teams. The first question will be: Is the season now 16 games long? Or would you drop 1 regular season game for every team? The answer will obviously be to extend the season to 16 games, with those that make the final 4 play in 15, and the 2 championship teams play 16.

I suspect that will raise the stakes in the "pay college football players" debate.

The second issue that will come up will be on the topic of 8 or 9 conference game regular seasons. Right now, the ACC and SEC only play 8 conference games. The Big 10, Big 12 and Pac 12 regularly point to that as an advantage for the ACC and SEC. They would start banging on that drum even more to try to even the field in an effort to get 2 or 3 of their conferences teams into the lucrative playoffs. Clemson, in particular, would likely drop our annual OOC game early in the season against an SEC opponent.

Another potential outcome would be that Notre Dame would be pressured to join a conference. That would be a good thing, in my opinion. Of course, the ACC would probably put them in the Atlantic division and add someone like Connecticut to the Coastal.

But here's the main reason that I don't like the idea of an 8 team playoff: Where does it end? The argument for the 4 team playoff was that there were a few incidents where there was debate on the 2 teams that should play for the national championship; and that by going to a 4 team playoff, we were all assured of getting the best 2 teams in that grouping. Now that we're in the 5th year of 4 teams, people are complaining that their team should be 4th instead of 5th. If we go to 8, there will be vigorous debate about the 9th and 10th best teams. It will devalue the regular season and the conference championships. It will devalue the CFP. And you'll end up with champions that lucked their way into the final 8 and remained healthier than their opponents. Can you imagine a championship game with Northwestern versus Pittsburgh this year? That could happen. The regular season has to mean more.


That said, I fully expect we'll have an 8-team playoff within the next 3 years. Why? Money. They'll figure out a way to throw everybody a bone (amateur players included) and make it happen. Then, you'll see Group of 5 teams struggle to pay their players. And you'll have other amateurs in baseball, basketball, track, etc. all suing for their paycheck as well (and they should). But revenue will drive the change. The big schools will be enriched and the smaller schools will likely step out of the game altogether. It'll be a dark day for college sports, but it'll happen.

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the season would only extend 1 game for a few


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:17 AM
 

teams..but I would go back to a 10 game season. .sure

won't happen. the reality of the situation is that these conferences are more interested in making money than crowning champions

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Did you mean 11 game season?


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:40 AM
 

Everyone plays 12 games over 13 weeks now.

If you expand to an 8 team playoff, you would add 1 additional game for 4 teams.

If you drop down to an 11 game season, you would eliminate 50+ games. There is no way they'd reduce that many games, as it would cripple many programs.


So, you're left with adding 4 games for 4 unknown teams. I just think that'll be an issue with the pay-the-players crowd. And that one issue could break college football.

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Conferences will realign. There will


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 11:12 AM
 

be 4 super conferences with 16 teams each and 4 divisions within each conference. The playoff will consist of the 16 division winners playing to 4 conference champs. The season will be adjusted to accommodate the extra game. The 4 conference champs will play a playoff just like the current one.

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4 16-team Super Conferences doesn't fit the college mold.


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 11:00 PM
 

Chunky and regional is good.

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Re: Issues w/ 8-team playoff


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 9:54 PM
 

One option I like to keep the regular season from being so long is to move all the FCS games to either the spring in place of the current spring scrimmages or perhaps sometime in August during fall camp.

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Re: Issues w/ 8-team playoff


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 11:38 PM
 

Q1: Replace CCG's with the first round, pushed back a week into December to allow 2 week prep and travel. Keeps max at 15 games. No CCG's means no divisions - greater round robin within leagues today during regular season.

Q2: 8 games is best, but at the end of the day it still wouldn't matter per conference. Champ is in, non-champ better have a great resume to be one of 3 at-large. That means quality OOC matters still, plus 8 game schedules allow for more OOC opportunities. West and Mid-west leagues with 9 game conference schedules have lesser options for nearby quality opponents like the south and east schools do. To each his own.

Notre Dame will make it in a 4-team selection this year, even better odds with 8 as they could afford a loss like the rest of the big boys. Why should they join a league? Their football schedule is a cool litmus test of many conferences, and we make money now off all their other sports. Win win.

Regular season conference champions from the Power 5 (5), plus 3 at-large from among the rest. Easy spot for it to end. A natural spot. This weekend features three games that are legit conference championship games coming down to the wire in the Big 12, Big Ten, and Pac 12 - all regular season - rivalry weekend to boot and losers go home, or to NY6 berths with the 4 available. Conference champs are easy to spot after 12 games. Leave it at that. No need for an extra bonus game. Your Pitt and NW scenario would be moot if regular season records ruled.

Expanding to 8 allows the UCF's of the world a ticket in to the trophy round - the small school. Not guaranteed by any means, but if a non-P5 were rocking a great season then an at-large is certainly within reach. UCF would almost assuredly be in that mix this year for sure.

Today we got 5 conference championship games that are a mix of play off, play in, play out, and none of the above. Knock those down to 4 games. Less is more. Very fair and conference parity and/or strength accounted for with inclusion.

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3 vs. 4 weeks wouldn't make that large a difference IF

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:07 AM
 

you didn't already know your opponent in advance... ala Bama when they didn't even win their division.

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Bub

2 team playoff


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:21 AM
 

It will be Clemson-Alabama IV, then V, then VI. It will stay this way until Nick Saban retires.

Everything else is just a fund-raising event.

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An 8-team playoff doesn't


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:29 AM
 

Necessitate having conference championship games, thus, the season isn't lengthened. If anything, it pulls more bowls into the CFP process, adding greater value to the remaining bowls.

To say eight is too many, is placing teams on the outside due to misfortune. Rest assured, if Tua was to miss a game due to injury, does anyone think Saban/ESPN/ETC won't say Bama isn't a Top 4/8 team with him healthy for the playoffs? It's done in basketball...why not football.

At day's end, it's not the overall season that's too long...it's the 'regular' season that for more than 75/80% of schools that isn't creating value. Look at the empty seats...that validates the point. Fewer games with more on the line will fill those seats at more schools. Right now, I believe the 4-team detracts from the overall, yet stands to enrich 'legacy' programs. That's simply not right...in my view.

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Bub

The conferences make too much money and have full control...


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:33 AM
 

...of their championship games. They are not going to give that up.

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Not when ND can get in without playing


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:36 AM
 

A conference championship game....and secondly, when a championship game either
1. Costs a conference a slot, or
2. Expanded CFP can net two CFP slots from a conference.

The money doesn't stop at the conference level.

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Bub

ND is happy with the current system...


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:44 AM
 

as long as a network is willing to pay them big $$ for an exclusive TV contract.

I don't see any changes.

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the problem with all these debates is the refusal


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:43 AM
 

to change how the national champion is selected.

they call this a playoff but it isnt.

before the bcs it was a popularity contest. at the end of the year you could and did end up with multiple prom queens. all depended on who voted. it was flawed.

during the bcs it was the same, the only difference was that fewer people got to choose the 2 most popular ladies who would compete for prom queen. it was flawed


now even fewer people get to chose the 4 most popular ladies who will compete for prom queen. it is flawed.

all these expansion scenerio will be flawed as well for the same reason all their predecessors were flawed.

you are still using popularity to choose who gets the right to compete for prom queen. when bias is possible the system will be flawed.

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Regardless of the number, you will always have someone...


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:49 AM
 

...declare herself the prom queen without even going to the prom.

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Re: For those people wanting a 8 team playoff


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:35 AM
 

I think teams should have to earn it on the field. Take the P5 champions, the best non-P5 team, and the top independent. These are the semi-finalists. The committee then seeds the best 4 out of the 7. The other 3 go back into the pile for other bowl games.

This year the committee would chose the best 4 out of (probably)

Clemson
ok
mich
'bamer
wash st.
UCF
'domers

they select Clemson, 'bamer, 'domers & mich st

Every team has a opportunity to qualify, every conference game matters, OC games are important, and you keep the 4 team format. The 'domers would be a semi-finalist most years, but they would need to be undefeated (or nearly) to make the playoff, same with the non-P5 team.

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Re: For those people wanting a 8 team playoff

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:38 AM
 

Expanding to 8 waters down the importance of regular season games too much. 4 is perfect IMO.

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Re: Those wanting an 8 team playoff - Are CORRECT


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 1:55 PM
 

Power 5 (and Group of 5) conferences that play 8 conf.games instead of 9 are not helping the "level field" argument. If the Big 12 (w/10 teams) can play 9, then all FBS conferences can & should. That 12th game - like a Citadel, Furman, etc. - is a waste.

Eliminate FCS games. All FBS teams can play only FBS opponents.

Play 9 conf.games & cut regular season to 11. REQUIRE a conf. champ game for all. Do away with divisions (like Big 12 does) & the 2 BEST from each conf. play a champ. game. Independents must play 12 games - all from the FBS.

The CFP folks determine the top 8 for the playoffs. No BYES. Round 1 is: 8 vs 1; 7 vs 2; 6 vs 3; 5 vs 4. Round 2 is: Winners of 8/1 & 7/2 and winners of 6/3 & 5/4. Final for Natty is: the 2 winners of Round 2.

Most games any team has to play remains at 15 - the current possible max.

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It isn't complicated, with just a minor tweak of what we have now

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Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:40 AM
 

Just require a conference championship to be in the 4 team playoff! Thus, you have effectively expanded the playoff to ten teams...the 10 CCG participants. The committee's only function would be to decide which one gets left out and seed the best four. Takes out most of the subjectivity. What about Notre Dame, you ask? All in with the ACC, or stay home!

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Does not equal four most deserving of semi-finals.***


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combine p5 schools into 4 conferences


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:56 AM
 

4 conference champs go to the playoffs. Create a new non p5 FBS2 and they can have their own champ.

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Re: combine p5 schools into 4 conferences


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 10:04 AM
 

And involve relegation so that sorry teams get bumped down a level and good teams (such as UCF) can move up to FBS1 if they perform well enough at FBS2. Also mandate that EVERY FBS1 school has to travel to an FBS1 or FBS2 school every other year. This crap of Alabama not playing a true OOC road game is bull spit.

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You don't actually think the conferences will give up


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 6:15 PM
 

the power to determine who is a conference member, do you?

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Playoff = stoopid


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 6:51 PM
 

There are two good teams this year. Anything cept Clemson v Bama is a waste of time.

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Personally, I don't see it happening.


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 7:00 PM
 

The way it is right now, the season is already part of the playoffs.

I, for one, would prefer that only conference champions get in.

That said, if we allow champions to get in, what we will see is teams will likely no longer schedule tough opponents. What's the point, right?

Also, imagine this. When a team secures a place in the championship game, what will they do? They probably save players for the championship game, right?

Lastly, in the past few years, we see teams that players don't want to play the post-season games to opt for the NFL draft. If you add more games, you will see it happening more.

In addition, it will kill attendance in bowl games too.

I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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so much garbage after first 1-6?teams this year


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 7:02 PM
 

8 team playoff would have a team like LSU or Florida in the running for a championship. No thank you.

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You mean an advantage like last year's champion got?***


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:47 PM
 



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Re: For those people wanting a 8 team playoff


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 8:56 PM
 

I've been following college football and a Tiger fan since the early 80's. I'm still baffled at how the FCS can pull off a playoff system and the FBS can't. These sports networks (espn) shouldn't be controlling div 1 ball- the NCAA should. And if there are, what, 128 teams, I've lost count, shouldn't every school have an opportunity for the gold, should they win? High school, FCS, and the NFL, no polls, just divisions and conferences, no issues. FBS has polls, and chaos.

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Irrevelant


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 10:02 PM
 

See: Bama last year, now Notre Dame.

Shoulda' been 8 from the start, big mess every year.

Plus waiting a whole month to play during December means all that's on TV is a bunch of sorry bowl games and NBA.

And all conferences and teams should have a championship game.

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Re: For those people wanting a 8 team playoff


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 10:08 PM
 

I agree with this take plus I dont think any atvlarge teams should make it!!! I think the playoffs should Be 6 teams...the 5, “Power 5” conference champions pause the highest ranked non power 5, conference champion...seed them and 1 and 2 get byes!!!

Won’t be the best 6 teams but I could care less...you win your conference, you get a shot...keeps the entire country involved regionally...non power 5 schools have a shot too...they will never win it all probably but I garauntee they win their share of the first round game!!!

This essentially makes the conference championship games the first round and essentially makes it a 12 team playoff!!!

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Re: For those people wanting a 8 team playoff


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 10:14 PM
 

No controversy. I think it’s perfect. If you want to get in win all your games. If you don’t don’t complain

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Simple. Ditch the conference championship games and


Posted: Nov 21, 2018, 10:30 PM
 

replace with the first four games of 8, with losers taking slots in other NY6 games. Most of these conference games have been losers, and often rematches. Scratch those, plus divisions in conferences so we could all spread out a little more in league.

If the first round were home games, it would also add incentive to compete til the end to grab a top 4 seed regardless of a conference auto gig.

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