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The politicos keep saying Buttigieg has "no clear path"
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The politicos keep saying Buttigieg has "no clear path"


Feb 8, 2020, 5:11 PM

One thing I find fascinating is that Sportsbook still lists Buttigieg as a long-odds underdog - below even Michael Bloomberg, who hasn't even entered the race yet! - to win the Democratic nomination, and myriad political insiders keep saying Buttigieg has "no clear path to the nomination" because there's a gulf between him and black voters.

All of which is true, but I still wonder, mostly because I think Biden's going to woefully underperform because, well, he's Joe Biden, and Amy Klobuchar is running in pretty much the same lane as Buttigieg and Biden.

If those moderates fall out, the very moderate Pete, it would seem, would get the lion's share of their votes, yes? Bernie's got the far left of the party but (I hope!) there's some kind of a hard limit to how much support he can get because the moderate Dems really don't like him.

Conventional wisdom says Bernie might scoop up Liz Warren's votes if she folds her tent, but I wonder about that too. Liz was anti-trust, heavy government regulation, punch Corporate America in the jimmies...but she's an economist, for cryin' out loud....she's still very much a capitalist and her reforms are all tweak-the-system capitalist reforms...she gritted her teeth and grudgingly said yes to Medicare For All because she thought that's what the voters wanted, then backed away because she couldn't quite bring herself to go there. And Buttigieg is assuredly capitalist.

At the end of the day I'm old-fashioned. I don't pretend to know the nuances of the Democratic mind because rooting for a Dem is new to me - I was for John Kasich in '16, and voted Romney the election before that - but I would think that except among the very young, capitalism is still rooted in the DNA of the American voter.

I think, at the end of the day, the capitalist-versus-socialist question is going to be bigger than Bernie can overcome, even among Dems.

Am I just whistling past the graveyard here? Thoughts?

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Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Yang, and Klobuchar...


Feb 8, 2020, 5:21 PM

Are the only ones that aren’t caricatures. Yang and Klobuchar have no charisma.

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It’s bizarre that Buttigieg is even in the race


Feb 8, 2020, 5:59 PM

Why would anybody think a middling former mayor of a small town should be president? That’s letting alone his sexual behavior.

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He’s intelligent, offers well reasoned arguments to


Feb 8, 2020, 6:10 PM

support his points, and he doesn’t insult people. He’s the anti-trump.

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Agree with old Slac, but it also speaks to the...


Feb 8, 2020, 6:13 PM [ in reply to It’s bizarre that Buttigieg is even in the race ]

weakness of the field

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Re: It’s bizarre that Buttigieg is even in the race


Feb 8, 2020, 6:49 PM [ in reply to It’s bizarre that Buttigieg is even in the race ]

camcgee® said:

Why would anybody think a middling former mayor of a small town should be president? That’s letting alone his sexual behavior.




Well, in Pete's case, it's a lot more the guy than the track record. Military vet, Rhodes scholar, Harvard grad, an actual practicing Christian who is unapologetic about it, and his politics are right down the center lane; he's not spouting populist socialism like Medicare For All and he's shown a pragmatic approach to all his policies...like, what can we actually get done and how are we actually going to do it, and what's possible and what's cost-effective?

And he just plain seems like a decent dude. Really smart, measured, unflappable...and fearless. Gay or not, the dude served in a war zone and I watched him wade right into a town hall on Fox; other than Bernie - who is also fearless, albeit in an Angry Rottweiler sort of way - none of the other Dem candidates had the cajones to do that.

Against that, well, he's inexperienced - but Buttigieg does make a good argument that being a Mayor forces you to manage a heckuva lot more people and moving parts than being a Senator or Representative; it's actual administrative experience versus legislative experience, which are not remotely the same thing.

As far as being gay, well, the overwhelming majority of folks in Gen X and below just don't care...and like I mentioned below, the ones who aren't remotely likely to vote for a guy running as a Democrat anyhow.

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Re: It’s bizarre that Buttigieg is even in the race


Feb 9, 2020, 4:53 AM [ in reply to It’s bizarre that Buttigieg is even in the race ]

Why would anyone think a reality TV star con artist could become president? We have that now. Sometimes people are smart and thats all that matters. He has more experience than Trump had.

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Yep, being bizarre doesn't mean you can't win


Feb 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

That seems to be the lesson of Trump

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I would strongly disagree with the idea that he has more experience than Trump did.


Feb 10, 2020, 8:21 PM [ in reply to Re: It’s bizarre that Buttigieg is even in the race ]

And I certainly disagree that he has more experience than Trump does now.

I value his military experience but that is it. Two terms as mayor of the 306th largest city in the country is effectively useless. And he didn’t revolutionize South Bend. He upset a large part of his population, as a matter of fact.

Trump’s experience in building and leading a business, via his own vision, is light years more impressive. He literally has more years of experience doing larger stakes deals and managing large organizations in bigger venues like NewYork City than Buttigieg has years of life. He has more international experience through growing that business than Buttigieg has...which is none.

And now he’s been the president for four years. And as big of a horses backside as he is, he has many accomplishments under his belt.

You never know...I would have never in a million years thought Trump would win in 2016...but right now I have a hard time seeing any Democrat beating Trump. Sanders is a 79 year old Socialist who just had a heart attack. Warren is a semi socialist who is having identity politics issues. Buttigieg is inexperienced. Biden is getting hammered with scandals, Bloomberg got blanked in Iowa and isn’t even on the New Hampshire ballot. He’s the only one that might stand a chance if he can spend his way to the nomination, in my opinion. Yang and Klobuchar can’t get any traction.

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T-Rump is the biggest "caricature" of any... narcissist, too***


Feb 11, 2020, 12:00 AM [ in reply to Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Yang, and Klobuchar... ]



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Re: The politicos keep saying Buttigieg has "no clear path"


Feb 8, 2020, 5:59 PM

No, but he has a cute ###

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Also, Biden may be prosecuted for murder after this ad


Feb 8, 2020, 6:15 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1226200604218994689

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Lol. Savage. And accurate.


Feb 8, 2020, 7:19 PM

Buttigieg should...you know...run a state, or represent his state in the Senate or something. It is absurd to think he is seasoned enough as a leader for most Americans to feel confident in his decision making in the Oval Office.

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I thought we liked outsiders?***


Feb 10, 2020, 10:23 AM



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No, it's different this time.***


Feb 10, 2020, 2:45 PM



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I’m confident your misinterpretation of my comment is deliberate and


Feb 10, 2020, 8:03 PM [ in reply to I thought we liked outsiders?*** ]

conscious, but...

Outsider can be fine. Inexperienced outsider cannot. Lead something of substance. Create something of substance.

Two terms as the mediocre mayor of the 306th largest city in the country is not an impressive resume.

Just my opinion, of course.

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Mayor, military intelligence, business consultant...


Feb 11, 2020, 8:45 AM

he's as qualified as Trump, if not more. Especially as it seems in this thread that the discussion was mostly about political experience.

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Quote:


Feb 11, 2020, 8:46 AM

"Buttigieg should...you know...run a state, or represent his state in the Senate or something."

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Yes, that quote was based on the fact that he appears


Feb 11, 2020, 12:28 PM

to have chosen the public sector for his career. That’s fine...you have to do more than be a mediocre mayor of a tiny town. Look, this is just opinion, so if you think his two terms as mayor of South Bend, Indiana, his seven months in Afghanistan and his three years as a business consultant compare favorable to Trump’s multi-decade experience running and growing a company with his name on it...and now four years as President of the United States of America’s...I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree. To me, the opinion is absurdly laughable.

Lol. He won the 2011 election for Mayor of South Bend by receiving 10,991 of the 14,883 votes cast. I guess he is ready for the Oval Office.

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Not sure that I see any difference.


Feb 11, 2020, 2:05 PM

Trump definitely has had more business failures and bankruptcies.

Trump had never won any election, guess he was ready for the Oval Office?

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He’s 38 years old and gay. He has no chance.


Feb 8, 2020, 6:27 PM

We’re not electing a gay child to run the country.

Pretty level-headed guy though. He does well on the mic.

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Re: He’s 38 years old and gay. He has no chance.


Feb 8, 2020, 6:34 PM


We’re not electing a gay child to run the country.

Pretty level-headed guy though. He does well on the mic.




Well, if it's not Pete, then it's Bernie.

The fact that Pete is gay pretty much has zero bearing on this race, IMHO, though. The ones who won't vote for him because of that wouldn't vote for him anyhow because they likely wouldn't vote even for Jesus or Ghandi if they ran as Democrats. Such is the polarization we've got going right now.

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Re: He’s 38 years old and gay. He has no chance.


Feb 8, 2020, 6:45 PM

quozzel said:


We’re not electing a gay child to run the country.

Pretty level-headed guy though. He does well on the mic.




The ones who won't vote for him because of that wouldn't vote for him anyhow because they likely wouldn't vote even for Jesus or Ghandi if they ran as Democrats. Such is the polarization we've got going right now.




Among Hispanics, 77 percent said they’d be willing to vote for a gay president, compared to 69 percent of white people who said they’d be willing to back a gay candidate and 66 percent of black people.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/04/30/poll-70-percent-of-u-s-voters-willing-to-vote-for-gay-male-president/

If only 66% of black voters are willing to pull the lever for Pete, he's in trouble.

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Re: He’s 38 years old and gay. He has no chance.


Feb 8, 2020, 6:53 PM

Well, he's not real popular with black voters anyhow. Pete had some issues in South Bend because of some police shootings and his firing of a black police chief, and it's followed him. Plus he's just plain white, like, real white, in a way that seems to rub black people the wrong way.

That said, his natural running mate is almost certainly Stacey Abrams or Kamala Harris; if he gets that far his campaign staff will be well aware where his deficiencies are.

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The Washington Blade


Feb 8, 2020, 8:37 PM [ in reply to Re: He’s 38 years old and gay. He has no chance. ]

made me think of:



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Don Deanyho?***


Feb 9, 2020, 1:07 AM



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Bunny Wigglesworth***


Feb 9, 2020, 1:53 AM



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You can tell he has a particular expertise in one field.


Feb 8, 2020, 10:13 PM [ in reply to He’s 38 years old and gay. He has no chance. ]

He can blow smoke up your butt nearly as well as Obama. You pick the field.

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Re: The politicos keep saying Buttigieg has "no clear path"


Feb 8, 2020, 10:32 PM

I was for Kasich in 2016 as well. I don't think Buttigieg has a real chance at President. Kitchen tables in SC, NC, Tenn., Illinois, Pennsylvania...just aren't ready for a gay President. It might be 'wrong' in some people's eyes but middle America just isn't ready. The Supreme Court ruled on Brown vs Board of Education in 1955. But my high school didn't integrate until 1971.

Perhaps if he were a VP...but he's not going to be President.

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I don't know if America cares as much about who you...


Feb 8, 2020, 10:55 PM

sleep with as much as they care about what you stand for. As I said, I would vote for Trump if he came out today. Being gay would be far less important that what I believe is best for American.

There are vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor. When we examine a vessel we do not grade it, it's one or the other. Spiritual children think that sin has measure. To believe that is to ignore the original sin. Lucifer simply has a will other than God's.

When he made his claims to 'Rise above the Most High,' he wasn't, and could not have been intending on overthrowing God. Satan has only one power, deceit. He can deceive a man to think he is a woman, he can deceive a man into thinking that 'this sin,' is worse than 'that sin.'

When we examine the sin of others and weigh it on our balance we don't use Christ on one side and the sin of others on the other. If we do we usurp God's authority to judge. Our commission is to weigh our sin to that of Christ which always results in us being found guilty because Christ is sinless.

Homosexuality, is therefor, no more or less sinful than man/woman sex outside marriage. If we say they are not equally sinful we deceive ourselves and go about to excuse our sin making it impossible to confess them to God.

Thus, my understanding is that Pete is no more sinful than me, you or anyone else on earth including Trump. Thus Paul wrote to the Church at Rome, ' For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;..'

How shall we weigh a politician by sin? To ourselves, to other politician or their opponent or to Christ? At what point do we have the power of God to weigh anyone and not determine that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God?

That's how I see it. I can't speak for 'most Americans,' but I can share what the Bible teaches and what I believe how many Christians understand sin.


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Part of me wonders...


Feb 10, 2020, 9:06 AM

Without any evidence or proof to back this thought, that the bulk of Americans are now sick of the extremism of Trump, Bernie, et al, and are looking for a sane moderate, which would bode well in Mayor Pete's favor.

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A sane moderate...


Feb 10, 2020, 9:14 AM

would never run on a platform of eliminating the electoral system which convinced the original states to join a union.

A sane moderate would never run on a platform of decriminalizing the possession of all drugs including heroin, coke, fentanyl, morphine, opium and the many other drugs which are taking American lives, destroying families and reeking misery on so many communities including the homeless population in our major cities.




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Re: A sane moderate...


Feb 10, 2020, 10:27 AM

Yeah, I forgot how effective the war on drugs is, and how criminalizing all of them has been a real effective deterrent.

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I'm all for legalizing all drugs.


Feb 11, 2020, 8:42 AM

That's not what butigedge wants to do. He wants to legalize possession only. That will increase the demand and raise the street prices of drugs making it more expensive to maintain addictions. How is that going to help anyone?

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I fail to see how Bernie is THAT extreme.


Feb 10, 2020, 9:20 AM

He's not calling for the seizing of the means of production.

He's calling for us to have a government that works for the people and not the billionaires.

Is Norway extreme?

Sweden?

It's crazy that having a government that looks out for the working class is EXTREME.

It's also crazy that an extremist like Trump has the DNC scared to death to actually have somebody fighting for what a good many of people in this country desire because they don't want to lose to Trump.

Here's what's going to happen: The DNC is going to sabotage Bernie with a lukewarm, status quo candidate like Buttigeg or Biden who has no shot against Trump and doesn't fire up the vote and we have a 2016 all over again.

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I like your funny words magic man


Bernie took much of his platform straight from the...


Feb 10, 2020, 9:27 AM

1939 USSR constitution. I got scolded for posting the sections of that once and I ceased posting it but I can C&P it again here if you doubt my honesty. You might be more comfortable looking it up for yourself.

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I've read his platform and I've also studied the USSR.


Feb 10, 2020, 9:28 AM

Please do because I must be missing something. I don't see the connection.

Now if you were to compare it to societal safety net heavy countries like the Nordics etc. I can see that point.

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I like your funny words magic man


Re: I've read his platform and I've also studied the USSR.


Feb 10, 2020, 9:41 AM

"Sanders supports repeal of some of the tax deductions that he says benefit hedge funds and corporations, and would raise taxes on capital gains and the wealthiest one percent of Americans. He would use some of the added revenues to lower the taxes of the middle and lower classes.[29][30] He has suggested that he would be open to a 90% top marginal tax rate (a rate that last existed during the years after World War II) for the wealthiest earners, as well as a 52% top income tax bracket.[31] He has proposed a top marginal rate of 65% for the federal estate tax, up from the current 40% rate.[32]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders#Taxation



https://tradingeconomics.com/norway/corporate-tax-rate

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Re: I've read his platform and I've also studied the USSR.


Feb 10, 2020, 11:30 AM

read that on the nightly news and trump will win in a landslide.

I am already taxed enough. I want to keep what I work hard for and I am tired of giving it up.

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I'm not sure what your point is here***


Feb 10, 2020, 12:34 PM [ in reply to Re: I've read his platform and I've also studied the USSR. ]



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I like your funny words magic man


I claimed his platform was C&Ped from the USSR...


Feb 10, 2020, 1:10 PM

constitution. You categorically reject that topic and suggested you might entertain a comparison between Bernie's platform and the...

"Now if you were to compare it to societal safety net heavy countries like the Nordics etc. I can see that point."

...'It,' in your sentence represents Bernie's platform. So, I compared his tax plan to that of Norway which is one of the 'societal safety net heavy,' countries.

Being exactly wrong suits you.

Your consolation should be that you didn't choose to discuss the original topic which is Bernie's adopting most of his ideas from the 1939 USSR constitution, that's exactly what defined communism in the USSR.

Norway's corp tax rate right now is 22%. Bernie is proposing a corp tax rate of 95%. There's your comparison. Whatever societal safety nets Norway has is being paid for by a 22% tax rate on corporations right now. Couple issues with those numbers, Norway is not socialist but Bernie is.

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Re: I claimed his platform was C&Ped from the USSR...


Feb 10, 2020, 1:21 PM

Actually, no.

A huge chunk of Norway's social programs are paid for with their sovereign wealth fund, the nation's largest.

Basically they nationalized their oil exports into a single state-held company - Statoil - and then invested the earnings from that into their wealth fund...which then pays for the bulk of their programs.

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"Social Programs"


Feb 10, 2020, 4:49 PM

In a country with a 5.3 million person population versus a country with a 327.2 million person population just don't compare on any level about anything.

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Re: "Social Programs"


Feb 10, 2020, 5:12 PM

Sorry, I meant, the "world's" largest.

Norway's sovereign wealth fund is worth over a trillion US dollars; it's the world's largest state-held collection of assets. They sold a lot of oil, and then invested those proceeds wisely.

As you mentioned, in a nation of just 5.3 million, that much cheddar offers you the latitude to be a lot more open-handed.

We clearly don't have that kind per-capita wealth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway

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That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that...


Feb 11, 2020, 8:36 AM [ in reply to Re: I claimed his platform was C&Ped from the USSR... ]

Bernie's platform is just like the social web defined by the 1939 USSR constitution. What does relate is that Bernie is calling for a 95% corp tax rate and Norway is at a 22% right now which is radically different. Bernie's intent is not to change America to look like Norway.

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Re: I've read his platform and I've also studied the USSR.


Feb 10, 2020, 1:29 PM [ in reply to Re: I've read his platform and I've also studied the USSR. ]

https://taxfoundation.org/how-scandinavian-countries-pay-their-government-spending/

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I like your funny words magic man


So?***


Feb 10, 2020, 11:28 AM [ in reply to I've read his platform and I've also studied the USSR. ]



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I'm sorry I'm still not seeing how you can compare


Feb 10, 2020, 1:31 PM

Scandinavian tax and social safety net programs to the USSR.

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I like your funny words magic man


What you're doing is conflating two separate and...


Feb 11, 2020, 8:30 AM

and independent subjects. The subject was Bernie C&Ping his platform from the USSR's 1939 constitution. You stood with Bernie who claimed his 'socialism,' way like Nordic states. I compared his tax plan to that of Norway. Bernie wants a 95% corporate tax rate and Norway presently has a 22% corporate tax rate.

You conflated a comparison between Bernie/Norway with the original subject which was a comparison between Bernie/USSR. That's dishonest. I know you didn't intend to be deceptive and am not accusing you of intentionally lying but conflating is a form of deception.

I understand how it happened. You've decided Bernie is right when he claims Nordic nations are good representatives of successful nations which are socialist. I therefore must be wrong for contradicting him. Maybe, but you wouldn't even entertain the idea that I might be right. Not honest or right by any standard.

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First of all...1936, not '39. Practically nothing in it is


Feb 12, 2020, 12:23 AM

relevant to anything Bernie has proposed. As usual, total BS.

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