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So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 11:33 AM
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after the season, I'm sorry Judge -- but we have to let Brad go and hire one of those two...
No doubt about it. Those two would bring instant credibility to Clemson basketball and they would both come and not be worried of the heavy expectations they had to deal with at both Texas and Indiana which is a lot of reason they are struggling. Too much pressure is why they are both are underachieving. We are losing money with Brad: almost $3 million a year with only a $425k buyout is just too stupid to keep him...
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 11:37 AM
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Shaka will get 1 more year to prove himself.
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 11:42 AM
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Not so sure if they don't make the big Dance. Same with Archie Miller. Shaka comes back here he can bring back Havok press defense that he had at VCU which he learned from Oliver Purnell. Might even bring Oliver as is advisor assistant. It would be an instant credibility and interest fans. LJ would be full again. Also, probably keep both recruits if we hire one of these two. Young players know what they bring to the table.
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 11:47 AM
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He has some nice young talent at Texas and I was thinking they might give him 1 last year. I would love to have him though. Anyway, I think he and Brad both get 1 more year. Who knows though....
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And I thought your original post was stupid, clearly I under
Feb 9, 2020, 1:35 PM
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estimated you, your reasoning is flat out retarded...Hire a guy who failed at a better job with more resources...Sure worked for Mouth Carolina...Hire Muschamp 2.0 and pray he brings OP with him...I wish I could make this up, I would be writing screenplays in Hollywood
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 11:41 AM
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Without 100% backing from the administration, top BB coaches won't come to Clemson, and if one does come, it will be for a paycheck until they find a better job with 100% administration backing!!!
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 11:44 AM
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I think with DRad as our AD we would have that backing from the administration. He has been waiting till Brad's buyout was low enough to make the move. President Clements has gone on record he loves basketball. Really supported the West Virginia program hard when he was the AD there.
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Over these past 10 years I would be absolutely fine with
Feb 9, 2020, 11:56 AM
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a coach that led us to success, NCAA berths, and then got hired away by a bigger program. We could have run through that cycle twice by now actually. Instead we seem to celebrate a stagnancy and mediocrity that attracts no outside suitors - yay for us.
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If they fail there, they will also fail at Clemson.
Feb 9, 2020, 12:03 PM
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Recruiting is not a problem there. They’re just not very good coaches.
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Re: If they fail there, they will also fail at Clemson.
Feb 9, 2020, 12:26 PM
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Exactly the opposite.
We don't have enough basketball talent. That's why we get the inconsistent shooting.
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 12:09 PM
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Instant cred ?
That's a bold statement considering the history of our hoops and considering both of the candidates you're talking about may have gotten axed ahead of Clemson hiring him .
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 12:19 PM
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I dont think anyone brings us instant credibility. Barnes was close. But we've been what we'e been for too long and our apathetic hoops fan base doesnt help.
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why would you want someone (Shaka)
Feb 9, 2020, 12:23 PM
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who has a worst record over the last 5 years in an easier conference?
Further, since Shaka has left, VCU has won 25 games 4/5 years since he left for Texas.
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Good Lord, your best two options are people who get fired?
Feb 9, 2020, 1:30 PM
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Can't make this #### up
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Re: Good Lord, your best two options are people who get fired?
Feb 9, 2020, 1:39 PM
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Some good coaches have been fired. Bob Huggins, Bobby Knight, and....
Can anyone name some others?
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They both got fired for off the court issues, but nice try
Feb 9, 2020, 1:50 PM
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anyway
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Re: They both got fired for off the court issues, but nice try
Feb 9, 2020, 2:16 PM
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How about Rick Barnes at Texas?
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Tommy Amaker, Tom Crean, Jeff Capel
Feb 9, 2020, 2:50 PM
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Johnny Dawkins, Steve Alford, Anthony Davis, Ben Howland, Greg McDermott, Jeff Jones, Rick Stansbury, just a few guys who have been previously fired
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Re: Tommy Amaker, Tom Crean, Jeff Capel
Feb 9, 2020, 3:37 PM
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Thank you.
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Re: Tommy Amaker, Tom Crean, Jeff Capel
Feb 9, 2020, 10:33 PM
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Amaker will not leave Harvard. He has been there for 14 years and loves the environment and the Ivy League. He has stated he wants to retire from Harvard. Amaker has coached the big time and is happy with $1 million on no scholarship pressure at Harvard
Crean is not leaving UGA to coach Clemson in the ACC. He makes 3.4 million which I don't see Clemson topping enough to make him leave. Plus if he leaves for another job he owes the signing bonus back to UGA at 4.5 million. Clemson would have to cover that also. Not going to happen.
Capel is not leaving Pitt except to go to Duke in a few years time.
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All I listed were coaches who had been previously fired
Feb 9, 2020, 10:40 PM
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not potential candidates. I believe the discussion is centered upon what of Smart or Miller are canned
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"Too much pressure is why they are both are underachieving. "
Feb 9, 2020, 1:47 PM
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This statement confuses me. So Shaka and/or his team has performance anxiety?
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"Too much pressure is why they are both are underachieving. "
Feb 9, 2020, 2:05 PM
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What do thwy think about playing an ACC basketball schedule and coaching at an also-ran basketball program like Clemson ?
Our coach probably needs a therapist on the end of our bench .
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I'm not interested in coaches that weren't good enough
Feb 9, 2020, 2:21 PM
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for someone else.
It isn't going to bring much credibility to Clemson basketball to fire our all-time winningest coach and replace him with someone who was fired by another program.
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Re: I'm not interested in coaches that weren't good enough
Feb 9, 2020, 2:28 PM
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Who is a better coach in your opinion between Brad and Rick Barnes?
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Re: I'm not interested in coaches that weren't good enough
Feb 9, 2020, 2:36 PM
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Brad couldn't recruit firemen to a fire. It pretty much begins and ends there
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Re: Rick Barnes.
Feb 9, 2020, 3:39 PM
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You dont think any coaches are credible that have been fired?
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Re: I'm not interested in coaches that weren't good enough
Feb 9, 2020, 4:26 PM
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We are not firing BB this year anyways so idk why people keep bringing it up. It would be nice imo but it ain't happening. Hopefully he gets us playing well again down the stretch.
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Re: I'm not interested in coaches that weren't good enough
Feb 9, 2020, 4:28 PM
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I would say he definitely has 1 more year as well.
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Re: I'm not interested in coaches that weren't good enough
Feb 9, 2020, 10:41 PM
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I think we only gain credibility if we start winning. If we fire BB after next year we will likely get another coach from a mid major school. I just hope it is a more offensive minded coach if so. It is great to have a good D but we need to be able to score imo. Maybe BB gets it going next year but if we are not in the tourney next year we should all admit that we need a change.
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 4:41 PM
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Clements, DRad and Dabo are all in with Brad. He’s not going anywhere. Go Tigers
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Re: So if Shaka or Archie Miller at Indiana get let go...
Feb 9, 2020, 10:39 PM
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Shaka has a poison pill in his contract.
If Texas fires him and he takes another D1 coaching job he forfeits a certain percentage of his buy out.
After this season Texas would owe him 9.6 to fire him. If he took another coaching job then he would 6.2 of the contract.
If he waits year then he would collect 6.4 in salary for 2020/2021 and would be guaranteed for Texas paychecks for 2021/2022 if he waits 14 months after he is fired to take a job.
In other words, sitting out next season is worth 6.4 million of Texas $$$$$ if Smart is fired at the end of the season.
Unless Texas and Smart negotiate another buy out.
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