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a deal with Stalin?

Maybe there's some truth to it, maybe not. He!!, if you read enough revisionist stuff and suspend your sense of disbelief, you'll come to the conclusion that FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack (through back channels) and he let it happen.

But, even IF the Japanese were making serious overtures to the Russians ... and I'm not convinced of it ... I think it was the other way around, the Russians were making the overtures in an attempt to force their way to the table at the 11th hour.

This of course, was just not an acceptable choice for The Allies. No one would have stood for it at the time. It's only become a reasonable discussion for some with the benefit of 70+ years of hind sight.

Since you feature a US Marine Corps insignia in your profile, I'm surprised that you would see this sort of conjecture as a reasonable alternative to what happened.

The average Marine in 1945 was most certainly ready to come home and he was absolutely not eager to have to invade the Japanese mainland, but I would wager pretty much anything that he was not ready to back away from the fight and let the Japanese broker a negotiated surrender to the Russians after what The Marines went through on Tarawa, Tinian, Saipan, Iwo, and Okinawa.

The Russians had a huge stake in the fight with Hitler, but in no way did they rate any sort of say so in ending the war in the Pacific.

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What's really "odd" is that after Hiroshima, we had to

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drop a second atomic bomb ... having received absolutely no word of surrender ... in fact no response at all from the Japanese regarding the first one.

Honestly, in this day and time I know of no one who wouldn't like to put the genie back in the bottle if it were possible. But, it's not possible and to call the use of the weapons unnecessary and to talk of waiting for the fanatical Japanese military to allow the civilian leadership to capitulate is ludicrous.

Still, the report you cite is a fascinating read:

I love the quotes from Nimitz and Halsey whose Marines had died by the thousands on the beaches just to get our planes close enough to actually drop the bombs and whose fleet had taken tremendous casualties from the Kamikazi onslaughts sent out by the same Japanese "who were ready to surrender" ...

And the one by Curtis LeMay is particularly ironic since it was he who personally stepped up the devastating fire bombing exponentially when he saw that traditional methods were not having the desired affect and that his job was going to be on the line the longer it took.

And seriously, this entire report loses credibility when it includes a quote from MacArthur (via Nixon no less) about the ethics of using the bomb on the Japanese ... MacArthur ... the man who seriously wanted to nuke the Red Chinese at the Korean Border after they flooded over and kicked his a$$ at Chosen Reservoir.

I'm sorry ... I just don't buy the whole premise you're putting forward.

There was nothing sunshine and lollipops about WWII to the people who were actually on the ground fighting it ... which by the way, does not include men like Nimitz, LeMay, and MacArthur. The desire to end it "unconditionally" and as quickly as possible was hard wired into the American psyche at the time.

The men who flew the mission and actually dropped the bomb never wavered in their belief that their effort saved both American and Japanese lives and shortened the war. Of course the thought process can change over time as memories fade and regret seeps in. It was a horrible decision to have to make ... but it was absolutely a necessary decision at the time it was made.

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Hey, I can take unamerican bafoon but don't call me no coot.***

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fat boy & little man are heroes 4 all the lives they saved?

I think you nailed it. That brought a swifter end to the

i believe after kasserine, patton saved lives by ending

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That's a stretch because we only lost between and 4 and 500

after okinawa...

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We could have continued to fire bomb cities and to institute

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Says who?

This is actually really good Clemson history.

So our option is we sit by and let the Japanese "broker"

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That's odd

What's really "odd" is that after Hiroshima, we had to

I think we're having different conversations***

You may be right

And most people don't realize how close physically the

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not all men are meant to lead and I believe you have proven

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give a guy limited intelligence and a keyboard

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Ho Chi Minh and the VC were national heroes who drove

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If Ali never lived, what would black people be like

Kent State is that way >>>>>>***

"Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming..."***

How did we get so far

Many British subjects ignored that call and became

Oh, shut up.

If that is what it takes to get you to post.;) You know,

Why won't they let us adjust font size?

Hey Joe. Where you goin witdat gun in yo hand?

Siriously? SIRIOUSLY?

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