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Orange Blooded [4550]
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Tom Crean
Mar 16, 2017, 9:22 PM
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If we were to make a coaching change, I like giving Crean a long look. Indiana is Indiana. Anything less than a Final Four appearance is a bad season. The guy was just Big 10 coach of the year last season. He wouldn't have nowhere near the kind of pressure here. We currently have a coach who hasn't sniffed the Big Dance in 6 years and some people still want to keep him. Above all, he'd give us instant credibility in the ACC with officials and on the recruiting trail. Only negative is his wife is Jim Harbaugh's sister lol.
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Re: Tom Crean
Mar 16, 2017, 9:24 PM
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I'll pass. His overall record at Indiana (Blueblood) was not very impressive....and to make matters worse, he's married to a Harbaugh!
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Re: Tom Crean
Mar 16, 2017, 9:26 PM
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Pass? We would love to have him!
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Re: Tom Crean
Mar 16, 2017, 9:34 PM
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If....
Solid bball mind
No buy out
Winner
No Brainer
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Re: Tom Crean
Mar 16, 2017, 9:36 PM
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He didn't make the big dance 2 of the last 4 years at Indiana. Indiana! What make you think he would do better here?
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Re: Tom Crean
Mar 16, 2017, 9:46 PM
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Sounds like he's already 2 up on your boy Brad over 4 years.
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Re: Tom Crean
Mar 17, 2017, 10:02 PM
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For the record I am all for a change. Tom Crean just isn't the guy. If you are not in the NCAA tourney every year in a weaker conference with the history and resources of Indiana then you just won't make it at Clemson. Period.
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We don't seem to hire fired coaches***
Mar 16, 2017, 10:13 PM
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Re: Tom Crean
Mar 16, 2017, 10:20 PM
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Stop. Just stop. You realize how difficult of a job it is to be the clemson men's basketball coach? That would be like someone at jersey mikes taking a job at mcdonalds. Makes no sense
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Hire Tom Crean.....you get the Harbaughs...
Mar 16, 2017, 11:19 PM
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NO! I dont want that nutcase anywhere near our campus.
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Yeah, let's hire a coach who couldn't get it done at one of the top programs in college basketball.***
Mar 16, 2017, 11:34 PM
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what is your definition of "couldn't get it done"?
Mar 16, 2017, 11:37 PM
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I'm curious as to what he did at IU that Clemson considers "not getting it done"
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He missed the NCAA 5 out of 9 seasons at IU, that is
Mar 16, 2017, 11:47 PM
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why they fired him
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Do you agree with Judge that what he did at Indiana is
Mar 16, 2017, 11:58 PM
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no better than Brownell here?
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His best was better, but his worst was worse...and he WAS at
Mar 17, 2017, 12:05 AM
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IU...They expect to win Conference Titles, not miss the Dance 5 out of 9 years
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you know basketball better than to make that statement
Mar 17, 2017, 12:08 AM
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you know as well as I do his first 3 years was a total rebuild after inheriting a program at rock bottom, on sanctions, etc...
and you know those years have ZERO to do with this firing... don't tie yourself to that argument, you're smarter than that.
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so now you know more about what I know than I do? Do you
Mar 17, 2017, 12:14 AM
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have insider info? Look at his last 4, he went 38 and 34 and that was WITH a 15 and 3 season
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haha... do you think what he did at IU would be
Mar 17, 2017, 12:15 AM
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acceptable at Clemson?
4 NCAATs and 3 Sweet 16s?
yes or no?
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of course it would AT CLEMSON...as I have said MANY times,
Mar 17, 2017, 12:18 AM
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we are NOT IU...I don't think 38-34 is acceptable at IU though...I would say that is below their expectations...as it should be
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no question- high expectations
Mar 17, 2017, 12:22 AM
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I would compare IU firing him to UGA firing Richt..
but Judge started this by suggesting "why would Clemson want him if IU just fired him"... which is just stupid
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His record is closer to Muschamp's than Richt's...I think he
Mar 17, 2017, 12:27 AM
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did more at IU than Brad did here, but I agree with the statement/question if he can't compete consistently in the Big 10 at IU, how is he going to succeed in the ACC at Clemson?
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do you agree with Judge Keller that what he did at IU is
Mar 17, 2017, 1:57 AM
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comparable to what BB has done here?
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I already said he did more, but it is comparable considering
Mar 17, 2017, 2:21 AM
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he was at IU and he was only 4 games above .500 in the B1G the last 4 years and that was with a 15-3 Championship season...If he were here, I would assume he would be more successful than Brad...but I would also think it foolish to think he would take us to 3 Sweet 16s just because he did it at a much better school in a lesser conference.
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how is it comparable if
Mar 17, 2017, 2:24 AM
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his record got him to the NCAAT (in a lesser conference)
and Brad's got him nothing (in a stronger conference)
in what universe does that make sense?
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In what Universe is it easier to win at Clemson than it is
Mar 17, 2017, 2:38 AM
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at INDIFREAKINGANA?
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do you agree that if the records were comparable, the coach
Mar 17, 2017, 2:40 AM
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who did it in a tougher conference should have been in the NCAAT as well?
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I think if Brad went to 3 sweet 16s in 9 years people would
Mar 17, 2017, 2:46 AM
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name their children after him, but it is less impressive to do so at IU, a better school than Clemson and in the B1G a (slightly) lesser conference than the ACC...Twist that
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i've never disputed that you don't know bball... just b/c we
Mar 17, 2017, 12:17 AM
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disagree on something doesn't mean that...
but you tying yourself to this notion from Judge Keller that Tom Crean was fired at IU, so he wouldn't be good enough for Clemson... and then trying to say he's done no better than BB
is laughable at best...
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Link to where I tied myself to that notion...I said he
Mar 17, 2017, 12:20 AM
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didn't do enough at IU
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do you agree with Judge Keller that what he did at IU is
Mar 17, 2017, 1:57 AM
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is comparable to what Brownell has done here?
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Please stop being ridiculous. I never equated the two
Mar 17, 2017, 9:44 PM
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coaches in terms of overall accomplishments. What I said was that Crean's overall and conference record at Indiana is almost exactly the same as Brownell's overall and conference record at Clemson. That is a FACT, and one which you have yet to acknowledge.
I also stated that Crean was obviously more successful than Brownell in getting to NCAA Tournaments and advancing in the NCAA Tournament.
You have posted no less than FIVE times in this thread that I consider them equal coaches. I don't. Crean's accomplishments outweigh Brownell's, but that doesn't mean that he would do a better job at Clemson.
Besides, my overall point was that it sends a really sad and pathetic message to recruits and fans if Clemson hires another school's reject. There is a reason why he was fired by Indiana, and it isn't because they have ridiculous standards. It is because he underachieved multiple seasons, and a basketball school in a talent-rich state no less.
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and your statement, while true.. is an illusion.. and you
Mar 17, 2017, 12:02 AM
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know it
He took over one of the worst disasters in NCAA history, and didn't get them back until year 4... you know full well saying he missed it "5 of 9" is misleading. You know more basketball than to say that.
He was Big 10 COY LAST YEAR. They fired him for not getting there this year, and for not advancing past the Sweet 16 at IU.
That's why they fired him. It had ZERO to do with those first 3 years. ..
If you believe what you and Judge are typing, then you are saying 4 of 6 NCAATs here would be unacceptable.
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We are NOT IU, not by a long shot...And his seat was getting
Mar 17, 2017, 12:10 AM
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warm going in to last season...His last 4 seasons he only finished above .500 in the conference once...7-11/9-9/15-3/7-11...Those are almost Muschampion numbers...almost
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do you agree with Judge Keller that what Tom Crean has done
Mar 17, 2017, 12:12 AM
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is comparable to BB?
are you going to tie yourself to this rhetoric?
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I feel sorry for your husband/wife/partner.
Mar 17, 2017, 9:48 PM
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You seem to really enjoy arguing, and using whatever underhanded tactics to win the argument in your mind. Sad.
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did you, or did you not, say that what Crean and BB
Mar 17, 2017, 10:04 PM
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have done are comparable?
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You should ask Indiana about that. They fired him.
Mar 16, 2017, 11:48 PM
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Only winning 55% overall, and 43% in the Big 10 is not very good at a program like Indiana. Those are comparable to Brownell's records at Clemson, which does not have the tradition, resources, or support that Indiana does.
You post daily about how awful Brownell is. Yet you think Crean has done a great job for doing no better at INDIANA?!!
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You saying that what Crean did at IU is comparable to BB is
Mar 16, 2017, 11:51 PM
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the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this board-- and I've seen a lot
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In terms of overall record they are almost identical.
Mar 16, 2017, 11:53 PM
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What is so hard for you to understand about that?
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Your quote was:
Mar 16, 2017, 11:56 PM
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"Crean has done no better at Indiana"
Do you really believe that?
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No better IN TERMS OF OVERALL AND CONFERENCE RECORD.
Mar 17, 2017, 12:02 AM
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Obviously Crean went to more NCAA Tournaments, which is certainly better than Brownell. But he also coaches at a basketball school with a ton more history and resources. I think he's a good coach, but if he were as successful as you make him out to be then he wouldn't have been fired, would he?
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you are DEAD WRONG on this, and you know it
Mar 17, 2017, 12:06 AM
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He took over one of of the worst situations in NCAA history for a "blue blood"- tons of turmoil and a complete rebuild... look it up
He was fired b/c he didn't get there THIS YEAR, and b/c he couldn't advance past the Sweet 16. You are absolutely DELUSIONAL if you continue this rhetoric comparing him to BB.
This is a guy who was Big 10 COY last year, and went to 4 of 6 NCAATs after his first 3 years of rebuilding IU.
You are flat out INSANE to say what he's done is similar to BB.
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His LAST 4 years got him fired, NOT his FIRST 4...They would
Mar 17, 2017, 12:23 AM
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have run him LAST year if he had finished at or below .500(Big 10) for the 3rd straight year 8 years in
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exactly right... so throwing out "5 of 9" is
Mar 17, 2017, 12:26 AM
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misleading
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no, it's not misleading, it is the number of NCAAs he went
Mar 17, 2017, 12:33 AM
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to in his 9 year tenure at IU...Those are his numbers at IU...You want to pick and choose which count, which is exactly what you are accusing ME of doing.
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I said that was a true statement.. I also said it was
Mar 17, 2017, 12:41 AM
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misleading, and that the first 3 years didn't factor into his firing... sure they count, but he took over a program riddled with sanctions b/c of Sampson and had to completely rebuild..
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How do you explain his last four years? He finished 8th, 7th
Mar 17, 2017, 1:09 AM
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1st, 10th...One year(albeit it a #### good one) in the last 4 they finished in the top 6 of the Big 10
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what is there to explain.. this is not a defending of Crean
Mar 17, 2017, 1:18 AM
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that's never what this was about--- it was about a poster who said "why would we want him if IU fired him"...
I have pointed out why we would...
You can compare his records to BB all you want, but his record got him to 4 NCAATs in the last 6 years. BB's records have gotten him no where..... that's the bottom line
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I've given you a reason and it has nothing to do with Brad's
Mar 17, 2017, 1:22 AM
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record...absolutely nothing
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He was as likely to finish at or below .500(B1G) as he was
Mar 17, 2017, 1:28 AM
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to win the Freaking Conference...At a Blue Blood
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who cares?
Mar 17, 2017, 1:40 AM
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if you want to say him and BB have the same records... fine....
but his got him to the NCAAT and Sweet 16.. several times... Brad's got him nothing
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where did I mention Brad?***
Mar 17, 2017, 2:04 AM
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Re: where did I mention Brad?***
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http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=21259024
"I think he did more at IU than Brad did here, but I agree with the statement/question if he can't compete consistently in the Big 10 at IU, how is he going to succeed in the ACC at Clemson? "
Based on his accomplishments at Indiana and Marquette, do you agree with Judge Keller that he would likely not be able to succeed here?
He took 3 years to rebuild from rock bottom- then he went to 4 NCAATs and 3 Sweet 16's in 6 years--
Do you think that would be "succeeding" at Clemson?
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I don't think he would be as successful here as he was at
Mar 17, 2017, 2:22 AM
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Indiana, if you want to compare apples to apples, and it would be cootish to assume so
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I have never said he would be... I pointed out that it is
Mar 17, 2017, 2:27 AM
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stupid and ignorant to compare what he did at IU to what BB had done here... which is what Keller did, and you jumped in to back him up
how can you argue comparable records, when Crean's got him to the dance 4 times in 6 years and BB's got him no where? If you want to use strength of conference, it makes you look even more foolish
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nope, I pointed out the reason he was let go at IU ... You
Mar 17, 2017, 2:36 AM
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keep trying to put words in my mouth even though I have clearly stated that Crean did MORE at IU...If you care to link where I said any different, I'll be waiting.
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So you would agree that
Mar 17, 2017, 2:47 AM
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what Tom Crean did at Indiana, after taking over one of the worse situations in NCAA history, was significantly better than what Brownell has accomplished since taking over for OP?
You would agree with that?
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Only if you are willing to agree that 3 sweet 16's in 9
Mar 17, 2017, 2:49 AM
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years isn't as impressive at IU as it is at Clemson...Those are the terms friendo
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i have never said otherwise-- clearly it's not
Mar 17, 2017, 2:56 AM
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but you have to admit
Judge Keller is out of his d@mn mind when he says Crean and Brownell's accomplishments are comparable
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they are both about to be out of a job, I'd say say that's a
Mar 17, 2017, 3:00 AM
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similarity...Wouldn't you?
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i guess that's one way to look at it...
Mar 17, 2017, 3:02 AM
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although i gotta say-- if BB were to be let go-- you may as well reach out to Crean and gauge interest...
may be a longshot, but it is a chance to coach in the ACC
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I'm all for it, as I said, he would be the most successful
Mar 17, 2017, 3:17 AM
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HC to ever interview for the job, that being said, he didn't get it done at IU...Certainly not to their standards/expectations.
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here's the link.. it's in this thread
Mar 17, 2017, 10:48 PM
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http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=21258932
I asked you if you thought they were comparable, and you said there wasn't any difference.... you didn't say "Crean has accomplished a ton more"--- you said they were almost identical.
What does record have to do with anything?
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All-TigerNet [12942]
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and clearly 3 in the last 6 years
Mar 17, 2017, 2:59 AM
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isn't good enough, nor is 4 appearances in 6 years, or a COY award last year.... I do feel like IU gave him a pass for 3 years---- which makes their expectations appear to be even higher
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His seat was getting hot coming off of a combined 16-20
Mar 17, 2017, 3:10 AM
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the two previous seasons,the 2016 season was awesome, but they went 7-11 and finished tied for 10th...They also got upset at home in the 1st round of the NIT, although I assume Tech is better than Oakland.
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Indiana fired him. They obviously don't consider him to be successful enough.
Mar 16, 2017, 11:50 PM
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Yet you do. What makes you think you know better?
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All-TigerNet [12942]
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please tell me you are not serious... if you are, you have
Mar 16, 2017, 11:53 PM
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lost any credibility you may have had
Clemson is not Indiana--- If Crean were here, and had been to the NCAAT 4 of 6, with 3 Sweet 16s, what would your feelings be about him? Remember he was named B!G Coach of the Year LAST YEAR.
If you really feel that way, your answer would be "4 of 6 NCAATs would not be acceptable here"
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Also, he took Marquette to the Final 4*****
Mar 17, 2017, 12:18 AM
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he has an incredible resume- and people forget he took over
Mar 17, 2017, 12:24 AM
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a program that was as low as one can go after the Sampson saga
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Legend [16121]
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I think comparing IU and Clemson as equals is pretty asinine
Mar 17, 2017, 1:20 AM
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It would be similar to comparing our football programs...Tommy Bowden would have a statue in front of Indiana's stadium by now if he did what he did here at IU.
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that's exactly right
Mar 17, 2017, 1:38 AM
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so a guy making the NCAAT 4 of 6 years, with 3 Sweet 16s at IU- fired or not--- would be a big hire for Clemson
right?
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he was also pretty good at Marquette***
Mar 17, 2017, 1:42 AM
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All-TigerNet [12942]
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he was really good at Marquette***
Mar 17, 2017, 1:46 AM
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good enough to get a job at one of the biggest Basketball
Mar 17, 2017, 2:42 AM
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Schools in the Country...Where going to the NCAAs 4 times in 9 years gets your ### fired, even if you went 4 out of the last 6 apparently.
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Legend [16121]
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He would be the most successful HC Clemson has ever
Mar 17, 2017, 2:08 AM
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interviewed,much less hired...He would also be the SECOND HC Clemson has hired from a Big 6, so that isn't much of a competition.
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thanks but NO THANKS!!!*****
Mar 17, 2017, 10:41 PM
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