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I detest Hillary, but find it next to impossible
Mar 3, 2016, 8:25 PM
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to vote for Republican candidates (and I'm not saying it's all of them but a large enough percentage to be troublesome) who deny global warming and/or believe the Earth is 6,000 years old and that God placed fossils to test people's faith.
I know it exists in both parties (although in different forms) but the brand of anti-intellectualism that is embraced by a sizable portion of the GOP base is very troublesome.
I'd vote for Kasich over Hillary, and Rubio it'd be a tough call. Cruz and Trump though, not even close.
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Re: I detest Hillary, but find it next to impossible
Mar 3, 2016, 8:32 PM
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it wasn't always this way. But when the dems latched onto equal rights for blacks and women, the good christian people of the south and midwest latched onto the republican party. It is rather convenient to have all the backwards regressive thinking mouth breathers lumped into one political party though. I am not saying that all republicans are that way, just that those people are all republicans.
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point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 3, 2016, 9:06 PM
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but not sure on global warming.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 3, 2016, 9:12 PM
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Deniers just need to ask themselves, what if I am wrong? At the very least we need to explore alternative forms of energy that do not require poisoning people or invading foreign countries. If the political will existed, we could get off fossil fuels almost entirely in 20 years. And there really is no rational argument against cleaner cheaper fuel sources, unless you own stock in an oil company.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 10:09 AM
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I actually agree with how you said this, but I think most that are against this movement (and not tied to oil, like you said) are more against the cost proposals to "fix" the problem. The questions isnt is the earth getting warmer... Its why. And furthermore, is there a "fix"? Im not a proponent of ignoring it and pretend it will go away, but we dont have sufficient answers to go throwing billions of dollars we dont have at a problem we dont know that we can fix. AND more important than any of this- Global warming isnt just a US problem to fix!!!
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 11:14 AM
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Is the Earth warming? Yes. How much has influenced it? That's the debate.
Why do Democrats need to tax everything to 'help' climate change while making sure developing nations are exempt from pollution control? Shutting factories in the US and allowing them to go to India, China, or some 3rd world country is going to help the planet? I'm sure they are very concerned about sulfur and NOx in the Congo.
Why can't we just raise the standard requirements for efficiency in a sensible approach instead of taxing the #### out of everything?
And perhaps CARB/CAFE/EPA could actually write fuel efficiency standards that are simple instead of catering to lobbyists using voodoo math to make fleet averages totally irrelevant to consumers. Perfect example.... you car burns E85. You went 20 miles on 1 gallon of E85. So it took you 0.15 gallons of gasoline to travel 20 miles. Your car gets 133 MPG!!!! Awesome!!!! That is what the EPA allows for fleet average calculations. So clear cut some more forest to plant corn to make more E85. You're doing a great job helping the environment.
And let's talk about alternatives. As a principal of an engineering firm (MEP) I've seen 'green' supporters block almost all the alternatives. Wind? Kills birds. Solar? Kills birds. Tidal? Kills fish. Want to save the world? Let's let the DNR issue kill permits for Bald Eagles so we can build windmills. Yeah, really good for the environment.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:09 PM
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Agreed.
The US can't be expected to be the leader in fighting climate change. The entire world needs to get on board with the same regulations, etc.
A factory shutting down in the States and moving to Mexico doesn't solve climate change.
And I've said it before and say it again, WE can't stop climate change, we can only stop our part of climate change. Any leftist who claims humans are 100% to blame for climate change is as dumb as young earthers.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:22 PM
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we are far behind other developed nations in renewable energy investments and the ONLY developed nation that has a political party in complete denial that there is a problem. Even China admits that it is caused by man and has invested far more in solar than the US.
The entire, "I needs more study" concession is just a way to further delay the inevitable. It cant be all that difficult to at least acknowledge that the GOP is heavily lobbied and funded by the fossil fuel industry, thus the reluctance to address the problem to the american public.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:30 PM
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There is a lot more to tackling climate change then renewable energy investments.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:32 PM
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denial and doing nothing is far from a solution. And putting James Inhofe in charge of the senate committee of environment and public works is a slap in the face to the american people.
And I only see one political party doing the damage here
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:35 PM
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To point out The Climate Change Performance Index 2016 (CCPI) ranks the US well ahead of China in combatting climate change.
Oops.
I use China since you brought China up.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:37 PM
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That is because they manufacture all of our disposable consumer goods. Their entire economy is centered around accommodating our wasteful consumer culture.
And It does not change the fact that they acknowledge the problem and we are still in a baseless wait and see holding pattern.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:39 PM
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But that's not what you said above. You said we were doing "nothing" yet we are ranked well ahead of China.
Maybe nothing has a new meaning, idk 
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:42 PM
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I said china ranked ahead of us in solar investments. This is a fact
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Re: ...and India is trying, but the US corporations aren't
Mar 4, 2016, 2:46 PM
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nothing to see here, it is just a massive conspiracy concocted by scientists across the globe to tax and regulate the oil industry,
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Did you read the article...? Your response makes no sense.***
Mar 4, 2016, 2:49 PM
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Re: Did you read the article...? Your response makes no sense.***
Mar 4, 2016, 2:55 PM
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I dont subscribe the WSJ, and can only be left to assume the WTO does not want the cost of solar to come down in the US.
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According to the article, they don't want India making
Mar 4, 2016, 3:02 PM
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their own panels and excluding outside 'suppliers'... Local supply is a key contributor to reducing carbon footprint but obviously someone's profits are more important.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:44 PM
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By the way, the US ranked #2 in renewable energy investments in 2014. (Latest year I could find)
#2..
Far from doing "nothing" right?
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:46 PM
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link?
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:47 PM
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"We are far behind other developed nations in renewable energy investments."
We're #2 as of year 2014
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:47 PM
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link?
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:51 PM
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maybe I should have said per capita investments.
and of course this does nothing to change the OP's premise that the GOP is backwards on this issue.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:56 PM
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No it doesn't change the OP. But I won't speaking to the OP.
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Re: point from a moderately conservative pub.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:38 PM
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> we are far behind other developed nations in
> renewable energy investments and the ONLY developed
> nation that has a political party in complete denial
> that there is a problem. Even China admits that it is
> caused by man and has invested far more in solar than
> the US.
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> The entire, "I needs more study" concession is just a
> way to further delay the inevitable. It cant be all
> that difficult to at least acknowledge that the GOP
> is heavily lobbied and funded by the fossil fuel
> industry, thus the reluctance to address the problem
> to the american public.
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Balm, the pro-union blue-collar midwestern democrats
Mar 3, 2016, 9:36 PM
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on balance are the most bigoted and gender biased group of white people around. Problem is, that doesn't fit the liberal narrative, and would cost them votes, so folks like you continue to perpetuate STEREOTYPES such as the one you just vomited above.
The yellow dog democrats you just gave a free pass to aren't far behind either. Your statement is a glaring example of the type of brainwashing that has us in this anti-tolerant mess we're mired in right now.
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Re: I detest Hillary, but find it next to impossible
Mar 3, 2016, 8:54 PM
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Yep...pretty much what you said.
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Kasich confesses to be a strong believer.
Mar 3, 2016, 8:54 PM
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Even with his bronze-age faith, the other candidates pale in comparison. From what I've learned, I really like the guy. He's the only one who seems competent and level-headed. A Rubio/Kasich ticket would have some validity...considering Kasich has no chance for the nomination. Pretty sure Rubio has no chance either.
Why does this political race feel like a football season?
Do good guys really finish last?
Sorry-more questions than answers.
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I know what you mean...
Mar 3, 2016, 8:57 PM
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I don't like a whole lot of Republicans these days, but find it impossible to vote for candidates who think it's OK to tear children apart limb by limb if you don't want them around.
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What do you think the criminal penalties should be
Mar 3, 2016, 9:00 PM
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for abortion doctors and women who have abortions?
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I don't know.***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:02 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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I think you would find the alternative equally troubling.
Mar 3, 2016, 9:09 PM
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You do realize that abortion has been around since long before Roe v. Wade, right?
Myself, I'd classify as pro-life, and I don't like that abortion exists. I would not support a ban mainly due to what abortion was like before Roe.
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Personally...I just don't like
Mar 3, 2016, 9:11 PM
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killing children.
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Don't think you'll find anyone that's for killing children***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:19 PM
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Re: Don't think you'll find anyone that's for killing children***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:20 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Your assertion lacks nuance.***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:23 PM
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Yes.***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:24 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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How so? I stated that I'm personally against abortion but
Mar 4, 2016, 3:16 PM
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wouldn't support a ban on it due to what it was like pre-Roe. Seemed pretty straightforward.
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Re: How so? I stated that I'm personally against abortion but
Mar 4, 2016, 3:27 PM
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Same here. I'm prolife but don't want a total ban.
I have no issue with education, etc though as long as it cuts down on abortion.
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How many of these have we had in the last 15 years?***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:17 PM
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Re: How many of these have we had in the last 15 years?***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:27 PM
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IDK, how many threads have you jacked?
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Actually, that was Prodigal.***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:29 PM
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my bad jg
Mar 3, 2016, 9:30 PM
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ha, dont have my contacts in.
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All-In [26968]
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I posted the same thing the OP posted...
Mar 3, 2016, 9:31 PM
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Just from my perspective. I don't know what your definition of "threadjack" is, but my post was highly related and consistent with the thread, to me.
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Re: I posted the same thing the OP posted...
Mar 3, 2016, 9:33 PM
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odd, because the OP never mentioned abortion.
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Also didn't mention "blacks and women"
Mar 3, 2016, 9:34 PM
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So did you threadjack?
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Re: Also didn't mention "blacks and women"
Mar 3, 2016, 9:35 PM
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I am just giving the backstory on how the regressives managed to take an entire political party hostage.
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I shared with the OP how much his post
Mar 3, 2016, 9:37 PM
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resonated with me, and explained why.
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Re: I shared with the OP how much his post
Mar 3, 2016, 9:39 PM
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fair enough, and I do not lump you into the category mouth breathing regressive. So no hard feelings?
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Never had any hard feelings about anything on this board.***
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Re: Never had any hard feelings about anything on this board.***
Mar 3, 2016, 9:41 PM
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you at least practice what you preach, I respect that.
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So the anti-Gore sentiment which led to becoming
Mar 4, 2016, 12:40 AM
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one of the only political movements on the planet that overwhelmingly deny climate change isn't troubling to you?
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I really couldn't care less
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Scientific facts are scientific facts. They have no political upshot until somebody comes along and politicizes them. So I don't care at all how old somebody thinks the Earth is or what they think the average temperature will be 50 years from now.
While I agree that some Republican voters only paid any attention to climate change because of Al Gore, let's not forget that it was the left that tried to draw a straight line from climate science to their politics in the first place. There's nothing wrong with incorporating scientific facts into your politics, but let's not pretend that our politics are straightforwardly about something as objective as facts rather than being about how we respond to facts and about how we want to associate ourselves with the authority of science.
The thing is, nobody should care about a brute scientific fact. We should care how those facts might affect our lives, though, and we should be able to respond politically to those effects. The problem with left-wing co-opting of climate science is that, to many on the right, it looks like they're just using the alleged facts to get everybody else to do what they've always wanted to do anyway. Climate change is the permanent crisis that justifies greater government control over everything.
Leftist rhetoric about science, in my opinion, is the reason why so many people are skeptical of things like climate change. If you really want to convince people to become more responsible stewards of the environment, then we need to stop making abstract arguments based on the authority of scientists which nobody but other scientists can evaluate. Instead, we need humanistic rhetoric (like you can find here: http://www.rogerscruton.com/articles/9.html) that's less concerned with lording scientific authority over people.
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Wonder what Toy Caldwell's stance on abortion is?***
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never mind that. does his wang size relate to his hand size?***
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Re: never mind that. does his wang size relate to his hand size?***
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ask trump, he seems to get pretty upset when it is mentioned.
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so***
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Always thought the old hand to wang thang would
Mar 3, 2016, 10:17 PM
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only work if hard.
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depends on how long dead***
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Can you name who these people are? Which candidates?
Mar 3, 2016, 11:01 PM
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are for tearing children apart limb by limb? And specifically to do so because "they don't want them around?"
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To lump those who believe the earth is 6000 yrs old...
Mar 3, 2016, 9:20 PM
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in with those who question man-made global warming is ludicrous.
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Re: To lump those who believe the earth is 6000 yrs old...
Mar 3, 2016, 9:29 PM
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it is kind of hard to support 160 thousand years of climate data trapped in ice cores when you refuse to acknowledge the first 154 ever happened.
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it's almost like you understood my post....
Mar 3, 2016, 9:42 PM
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almost
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you sure about that? based on a sample size of what?....
Mar 3, 2016, 9:41 PM
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further...do you think 59% deny the climate is changing or do they, perhaps, not believe that man is the major cause of these changes.
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Re: you sure about that? based on a sample size of what?....
Mar 3, 2016, 9:44 PM
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can you at least acknowledge that there are more human beings alive now than have ever existed through human history, whether that be 6000 or 150 thousand years?
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of course and I don't believe the earth is 6000 yrs old...
Mar 3, 2016, 9:53 PM
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either.
Surely you're not an "ergo propter hoc" 'er
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no,
Mar 3, 2016, 9:59 PM
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and what has allowed for this incredible population growth, and should it be seen as a coincidence that we have seen historically unprecedented warming of the planet during this time?
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was there a huge population spurt when the earth warmed...
Mar 3, 2016, 10:07 PM
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dramatically last time?
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Re: was there a huge population spurt when the earth warmed...
Mar 3, 2016, 10:23 PM
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in the last 160k years, it has not warmed to this extent over a 50 year period.
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weren't all of the major ice ages earlier than 160k yrs?***
Mar 3, 2016, 10:28 PM
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Re: weren't all of the major ice ages earlier than 160k yrs?***
Mar 3, 2016, 10:33 PM
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the last one technically ended 11 thousand years ago and took hundreds of thousands of years to transition out of.
and global averages have never shifted at the rate they are now, we are only 150 years into industrialization. I doubt it is a coincidence that this has occurred at the exact same time as unprecedented population growth due to the burning of fossil fuels.
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I believe you may not understand what...
Mar 4, 2016, 2:24 PM
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you're talking about (this sounds like our discussion on wind energy in the past).
The last ice age was about 300 million yrs ago. The current one (Quaternary) started about 2.6 million yrs ago.
I think you're confusing the scientific definition of "ice age" with the last "glaciation period", which many incorrectly refer to as "the ice age".
Point is that, statistically, we don't have enough information over the entire age of Earth to say this is the fastest rise in surface temps...we simply don't.
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What we do know is that the acceleration in recorded
Mar 4, 2016, 2:57 PM
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history is unprecedented. Who give's a rat's whatever about "the entire age of Earth"?
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Re: What we do know is that the acceleration in recorded
Mar 4, 2016, 3:09 PM
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I don't give a rat's ### about people who think the earth is young.
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Re: What we do know so far... Link:
Mar 4, 2016, 3:28 PM
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That can't be right. The earth is only 6,000 years old
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... "but according to Ancient Astronaut Theorists"... ;~)***
Mar 4, 2016, 3:39 PM
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Re: Sourced from Gallup polling data surveying at least
Mar 3, 2016, 9:53 PM
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yeah, I've seen that poll...
Mar 3, 2016, 9:58 PM
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many have suggested...and I agree...that the question on evolution is flawed. It's flawed because many believe God created man and don't believe in evolution. If they believe that, but don't believe it happened within 10,000yrs, which answer do they give?
In other words, that figure speaks more to creationism than to specific timing.
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OK, so then some of them think the planet is a bit older
Mar 3, 2016, 10:00 PM
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but still don't believe in evolution. Equally troubling.
I also included an 'and/or ' in my original post.
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The climate change poll doesn't bring human involvement into the question, just simply 'is it happening right now?' 59% said no. 41% also said it will never happen.
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Curious...do you think people who believe in creationism....
Mar 3, 2016, 10:04 PM
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are stupid?
Specifically, many people believe in the idea of "microevolution" (changes within a species), but not in "macro evolution" (changes above the species level)...are they stupid?
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I wouldn't call them intellectual.***
Mar 3, 2016, 10:06 PM
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that's fine...I would agree with you....
Mar 3, 2016, 10:08 PM
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but then we'd both be wrong
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So are your beliefs that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old
Mar 3, 2016, 10:12 PM
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and macroevolution doesn't exist, but microevolution does? Also that climate change is happening but is not caused by increased greenhouse gas emissions from man?
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For the sake of discussion...yes...
Mar 3, 2016, 10:17 PM
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specifically, I believe current warming trends are more a result of natural changes than they are of man-made causes.
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So you must believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old
Mar 3, 2016, 10:43 PM
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too.
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for sake of discussion...
Mar 3, 2016, 11:08 PM
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what is the natural reason for climate change currently occurring outside man's involvement?
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Re: yeah, I've seen that poll...
Mar 4, 2016, 7:55 AM
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We've discussed that poll on here just a few months ago.
That number drops significantly when questions are more in-depth.
Very few people actually believe the earth is young.
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What do you believe, Little One, that causes
Mar 3, 2016, 10:31 PM
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Global Warming?
-Doc
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Your mom's ######.***
Mar 3, 2016, 10:35 PM
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Intelligent...She's dead, two decades
Mar 3, 2016, 10:41 PM
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I didn't think you'd know what causes it. And it happens over and over. Long before there were cars and 3 billion people farting. But, you like to swallow that palaver from Al Gore, et. al.
-Doc
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The dead mother line. Classic.***
Mar 3, 2016, 10:42 PM
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Re: The dead mother line. Classic.***
Mar 3, 2016, 10:44 PM
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careful, you are building an argument for abstinence, and that would be a ###### world to live in
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110%er [9174]
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You haven't stayed on topic.
Mar 3, 2016, 10:46 PM
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Shows that you have belief but no justification. I do and global warming is just a fraction of the things caused by the one thing that initiates it all...
Do you know what it is, Junior?
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I'm not going to respond to your question because you're
Mar 3, 2016, 10:48 PM
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just trolling as usual. You never add anything worthwhile to the discussion.
I'm still waiting for an answer to where Tesla got his doctorate and whether or not you endorse his views on eugenics.
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Gutless wonder with beliefs that are baseless
Mar 3, 2016, 10:50 PM
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2 Rounds..white flag from Robert.
You're too easy..
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I've responded to others, just not you.***
Mar 3, 2016, 10:51 PM
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But we know why those other changes occured
Mar 3, 2016, 11:12 PM
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and ruled out the variables that caused them (sun,volcanoes,etc) which has only left us with rising C02 levels caused by man.
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Wrong, not a damnthing to do with it
Mar 4, 2016, 3:24 PM
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Only idiots think it's man made.
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Re: Wrong, not a damnthing to do with it
Mar 4, 2016, 3:26 PM
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Bull butter.
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Fer damnsure
Mar 4, 2016, 3:43 PM
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-Nikoli
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Re: Fer damnsure
Mar 4, 2016, 4:17 PM
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Since you didn't answer the easy question, I assume that yes you believe natural forest fires contribute to climate change. But, are too dumb to think man made forest fires don't do the same.
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110%er [9174]
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You too much of an idiot.
Mar 6, 2016, 5:23 PM
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You got a truthful answer to your direct question. Just because you didn't like the answer because it isn't in line with your #### head beliefs, doesn't mean you have the right to get an answer to another question.
Keep inventing reality in your head. It'll keep you from getting fit for a tight white, sleeveless coat.
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Re: You too much of an idiot.
Mar 7, 2016, 11:09 AM
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"You too much of an idiot?"
It should say, you're too much of an idiot.
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He's simply not worth the time...***
Mar 7, 2016, 11:12 AM
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Re: Wrong, not a damnthing to do with it
Mar 4, 2016, 3:32 PM
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Question. Do you believe natural forest fires contribute to climate change?
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There's NOTHING man can do or not do
Mar 4, 2016, 3:42 PM
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That can stop this which causes in addition to global warming, swamps to become deserts and vice versa.
Can you F'n read? I stated this THREE times.
Watch your NASA channel instead of those homophobic-driven reality shows.
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Re: There's NOTHING man can do or not do
Mar 4, 2016, 3:44 PM
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I can read. I can read well enough that I have a degree in Physics, with a concentration in meteorology.
I haven't read a few books and websites and think I'm some expert.
I'm no climatologist but I can see results of climate change.
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Yea, or maybe just talk to granddad... I'm old enough to
Mar 4, 2016, 3:48 PM
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have seen the changes personally. Nobody is going to convince me otherwise. How much is caused by humans may be up for debate... That it's happening ISN'T....
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Re: Yea, or maybe just talk to granddad... I'm old enough to
Mar 4, 2016, 4:11 PM
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Exactly
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Three if these events occurred in the last 2.2M years
Mar 4, 2016, 3:37 PM
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With all three lasting each only a few years.
Weren't no 3 billion humans and their farts and farting cars, moron....
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So 4.4 billion humans don't fart...? Interdasting...***
Mar 4, 2016, 3:44 PM
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Has anyone drawn brain fluid from you, or
Mar 4, 2016, 6:13 PM
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are they too afraid of the pressure behind its density?
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I really can't believe there are still people that deny this
Mar 7, 2016, 9:30 PM
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The data has proven conclusively that man has had an extremely significant impact on climate change. I understand that there are many Americans that have lower than a high school education level that buy the denial nonsense, but anyone that's taken even a 100 level science course cannot possibly deny man made climate change without denying the scientific method.
The fact that people that deny a scientific fact that has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt because of their political beliefs and bias have a vote that counts the same as mine that absolutely scares the crap out of me.
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Tramp's 35% and then it depends on who is backing their
Mar 8, 2016, 6:43 AM
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SuperPac...
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I find it humorous that in one post...
Mar 8, 2016, 8:43 AM
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you cite 100 level science course and the Scientific Method, and then use the term "Scientific Fact that has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt".
Kudos to you sir!!
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If you're an intellectual conservative
Mar 4, 2016, 10:02 AM
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You would be stuck now supporting Carson or Cruz. The rest are either not very conservative (malleable by the establishment), or they're Trump.
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To say that Kasich or Rubio are not conservative...
Mar 4, 2016, 2:44 PM
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I still can't comprehend how anyone can look at Kasich's record and not think him to be conservative.
2-words....BALANCED BUDGET. Isn't the current federal budgetary issue the BIG issue of our day in terms of conservativism?
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Re: I detest Hillary, but find it next to impossible
Mar 4, 2016, 10:15 AM
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I would expect Billary to get your vote if two of your biggest concerns are Global Warming and the age of the Earth (or religion).
To be fair- If I told you that two of my biggest concerns are the economy and keeping this country safe, who do you think is getting my vote?
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I'm actually curious, who would be getting your vote?***
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The candidate
Mar 4, 2016, 10:21 AM
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not named Hillary
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Re: I detest Hillary, but find it next to impossible
Mar 4, 2016, 10:24 AM
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Climate change concerns me as well, but it isn't a top issue. I don't really give a rat's ### who believes the earth is young.
The economy is #1 for me.
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Re: It's not that it's my biggest concern, but education is near
Mar 4, 2016, 3:25 PM
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I'm thinking it's mainly older people and conspiracy people who are steadfast against climate change.
The numbers of people believing will improve.
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I sure hope so. I think a big problem we've had in this
Mar 4, 2016, 3:28 PM
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country that is exacerbated by the media is the thought that both sides of each issue deserve equal weight in a discussion.
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Re: I sure hope so. I think a big problem we've had in this
Mar 4, 2016, 3:34 PM
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I have no problem hearing both sides of an issue.
Otherwise we run into media pushing their belief on us. And that happens even in local media, I was apart of it for 12+ years.
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If 95+% of the scientific community is in agreement on an
Mar 4, 2016, 3:38 PM
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issue, yet everytime you have a debate on it you bring in one person from each side, it can be problematic.
From recent polling, a significant percentage of Trump voters in SC believed whites were superior to other races. We shouldn't have a debate on this with a representative from each side and act like both positions are equally valid.
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Re: If 95+% of the scientific community is in agreement on an
Mar 4, 2016, 3:41 PM
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I can see your point there. There are some issues that should be settled. But, I meant in general I'm against hearing only one side.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Agreed. Climate change deniers typically will say they are
Mar 4, 2016, 3:43 PM
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climate change skeptics. This doesn't hold much weight since skepticism is at the base of the scientific method.
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But the politicization of certain scientific fields corrupts
Mar 4, 2016, 3:44 PM
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healthy skepticism and can lead to group-think.
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Re: But the politicization of certain scientific fields corrupts
Mar 7, 2016, 9:44 PM
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Group-think among the general populace yes, but any legitimate scientist conducting independent research has to go along with what the data shows otherwise their work will get debunked by the rest of the scientific community that validates their conclusion when an article is in a scientific journal.
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That's not true at all.
Mar 7, 2016, 9:53 PM
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We know that the acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2. This calculation didn't involve discrediting a prior consensus among 95 percent of the scientific community.
In fact, the entire field of rectilinear kinematics is self-evident to an extent. The discovery of the exact formulas, relationships, and constants weren't very different that what was already logically believed through observation.
That's just one very specific area where your statement doesn't hold true.
Your statement isn't true for the field of thermodynamics either.
It's not even true for a previously mysterious force like electromagnetism because before Maxwell formulated his famous equations, there was absolutely zero consensus about the specific nature of electricity and magnetism.
The list of examples is virtually limitless. There are actually very few instances where your statement would hold true, and I'm actually not sure of any specific examples.
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if the economy is your primary concern, there is no way you
Mar 4, 2016, 4:06 PM
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should vote for a Republican. Supply side, trickle down economics has been proven a farce over the last 30 years. We have ample evidence over the last 8 years alone.
Thanks to Clemson University for helping educate me on economics so that I could see through the quackery.
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'Tinkle on' economics is about 1%er consolidation... Even
Mar 7, 2016, 10:38 AM
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the Clinton Clan has been bought... Slick Willie and Larry Summers helped push through the repeal of Glass-Steagall. The claim of 'centrist' is far from being anywhere near the true center...thus the super-pac backing of Billary that she prefers to disavow. If there's not some sort of populist revolution, this country will be on course for a destruction of the middle class... and, this time, a true Depression.
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Well the good news about denying global warming is that....
Mar 4, 2016, 2:33 PM
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there isn't anything anyone can do about it now anyway.
Only nature can save itself by killing a bunch of us off. It's super good at that.
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I know. The choices will suck in November.
Mar 6, 2016, 7:51 PM
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For the second time in two election cycles.
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