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Team Captain [473]
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Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 11:57 AM
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You just don’t want to see the game of CFB as we know it change even though allowing grown adults to make money off of their own name is common sense.
Sad world we live in.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 11:59 AM
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...well my education wasn't free and I had to pay a lot of money out of my own pocket. I don't see this as selfish.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:02 PM
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What does that have to do with a person making money off of a Jersey with their name on the back of it?
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:05 PM
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there names are not on the back of it. They get a free education and plenty of perks for said jersey to be sold in their likeness. The cost of the education far outweighs the amount of money they can make from the profit of a jersey. Furthermore, do you realize that when Matt Leinhardt was at USC the University only made a total of $54,000 in profits off of his jersey after expenses? There is not as much profit as you think.
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Let me help you out here, you seem to be under the
Oct 30, 2019, 12:11 PM
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impression that their education is free, it's NOT, they have to earn it playing football
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Re: Let me help you out here, you seem to be under the
Oct 30, 2019, 12:29 PM
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Show me a job where you work 20 hours a week for 8 months a year, get free room and board, free healthcare, a stipend, and a free college education that provides you $25k+ in benefits a year. Let me know when you have an answer.
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Re: Let me help you out here, you seem to be under the
Oct 30, 2019, 12:59 PM
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You're full of it if you think the football players are only spending 20 hours a week at football. That's the maximum amount of hours they can practice, but that doesn't include "voluntary workouts" and I find it hard to believe they aren't expected to do a bit of extra film study during their own time.
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Re: Education is about to be free!
Oct 30, 2019, 2:40 PM
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Exactly! Some w.hores danced in strip clubs to make money off their Cattness in college.
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Re: Education is about to be free!
Oct 30, 2019, 5:06 PM
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And thankfully so!
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Almost forgot...
Oct 30, 2019, 5:06 PM
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Do you have pigs of said w.hores??
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:13 PM
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I'll take your word on the Leinhardt example, but you're only talking about what the school itself made for his jersey sales. Let's say that Clemson made a profit of $50,000 on Lawrence #16 jerseys. Sure, that's not a ton of money for Clemson, but what did Nike make off of those? I'd imagine their profits are higher than that of the school, but even if all we're talking here is $50,000 profit, then what's wrong with the player getting 5% or whatever from it? If they see no value in the player in the jersey sales, then why don't they simply use 00 for the numbers on them instead of numbers of active star players?
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:26 PM
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I'll take your word on the Leinhardt example, but you're only talking about what the school itself made for his jersey sales. Let's say that Clemson made a profit of $50,000 on Lawrence #16 jerseys. Sure, that's not a ton of money for Clemson, but what did Nike make off of those? I'd imagine their profits are higher than that of the school, but even if all we're talking here is $50,000 profit, then what's wrong with the player getting 5% or whatever from it? If they see no value in the player in the jersey sales, then why don't they simply use 00 for the numbers on them instead of numbers of active star players?
The education they receive far outweighs the 5% they may make on any jersey.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:30 PM
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A scholarship isn't enough compared to the millions of dollars of revenue some of these players help generate.
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And neither is my salary enough for the millions I help my company generate.
Oct 30, 2019, 12:45 PM
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See how this works?
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Re: And neither is my salary enough for the millions I help my company generate.
Oct 30, 2019, 12:54 PM
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Does your company involve you putting your body and health on the line and risking CTE?
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Rock Defender [53]
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lmao get real
Oct 30, 2019, 1:30 PM
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Re: lmao get real
Oct 30, 2019, 2:09 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? Soldiers also choose to do what they do as do police officers, and most people would agree that they're underpaid. I don't get how choosing to play means they shouldn't be allowed to earn more, especially since it's basically the only option they have to have a shot at the pros, or earn a college education.
I also don't get how thinking a player should be allowed to earn something for their own likeness means you also don't think soldiers should be taken better care of, or how soldiers not being taken care of properly should be used as an argument to not better take care of other people.
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Re: And neither is my salary enough for the millions I help my company generate.
Oct 30, 2019, 1:29 PM
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The company (Clemson University) is not paying the players....they are simply allowing them to make money on their own name. I see it no different than allowing them to get a job at Subway.
Seems like a socialist mindset to tell someone they can't make money off of their own name. Are you a socialist?
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They already get a free college education, free room and board, free meals
Oct 30, 2019, 1:47 PM
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and a stipend. I went to college on a G.I. Bill while working full time and supporting a family. Do I sound like a socialist to you?
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Re: They already get a free college education, free room and board, free meals
Oct 30, 2019, 2:33 PM
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None of that has anything to do with a company coming to them and offering them a cut of profits made on THEIR name.
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OK take all those things away and pay CFB players.
Oct 30, 2019, 2:58 PM
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Pay the ones who get their image used more while we’re at it too. Now tell me what percentage of these guys will actually graduate? How many of them will not blow every dime they make by the time they turn 22? After all it’s all about what’s best for them right?
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Re: The few individuals per team that this rule benefits
Oct 30, 2019, 1:33 PM
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This has nothing to do with the team or university.
This is about allowing adults who can vote and go to war and buy cigerettes to make money off of their own name.
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You just nailed it
Oct 30, 2019, 1:38 PM
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 3:37 PM
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Did the players help with the cost of stadium construction, improvements, groundskeeping, security, & concession on game day, after game cleanup, the cost of the dietician, nutritionist, surgeons, and all the other peripheral costs associated with a football program, such as travel, tutors, dormitories, etc? Most football programs barely break even. Traditionally the players cut for their efforts is an education. It seems like a good deal to me.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:31 PM
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And they're doing their part to earn that education by playing football. I don't see where that should prevent them from getting a share of sales involving their jersey. Sure, the #16 jersey doesn't say Lawrence on the back, but everyone knows which player goes along with that number when they buy the jersey.
Hell, I see jerseys where people have added the player name on the back of them all the time recently. I also see people asking on a Clemson Facebook page all the time if anyone can add the name of a player on the back of their jersey for them. Sure, the school isn't directly involved in that process, but as I said above, why not just put 00 on the back if the number on the jersey isn't supposed to represent anyone?
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Not sure after four years of majoring in Communications
Oct 30, 2019, 1:46 PM
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or Parks and Recreation their degree is worth all THAT much. If they don't cash in on their football (or basketball or other sport) celebrity, without professional sports they won't be retiring early. One's degree is only worth what one makes of it.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:32 PM
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So players own numbers? If I bought a #16 Clemson jersey, why does Treavor get the money? I'm a Joe Don Reams fan.
BS. The jersey and all the numbers are part of the Clemson brand. These kids have no brand or trademark.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:49 PM
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Then why do they put the #16 on there in the first place?
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:52 PM
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Yeah sure it's just a massive coincidence that the jerseys sold each year have the main star players number on them.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 1:20 PM
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I stand corrected on the names.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 2:35 PM
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Exactly! Some w.hores danced in strip clubs to make money off their Catness in college
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:20 PM
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I have my own concerns about recruiting getting out of control over this, but I'm trying to wait and see what sort of rules get put into place before worrying too much. However, I've never felt comfortable with the basic argument of them getting a free education, and then comparing it to the average student that pays.
I do buy that argument in response to anyone claiming the players are treated as slaves, starving, or that they just get nothing at all in return, because certainly, an education, place to live, and food is much more than nothing.
However, the deal is supposed to be the player plays football and then gets those things in return. Why should that give the school or other people the right to profit further off of the players while the player gets nothing further in return? It's not even just the schools that are making this money. Look around the internet or on the streets prior to games and look at all the people who are putting players names on merchandise and profiting off of it. Sure, these things are probably illegal, but it's still being done. Why should some housewife on Facebook be allowed to iron Lawrence on some jerseys and make money on it, but Lawrence wouldn't be allowed to play anymore if he received a single penny for it?
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 2:38 PM
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Exactly! Some #####.'s danced in strip clubs to make money off their Catness in college.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 3:04 PM
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OP just trolls for TD’s. That’s his shtick. To his credit, he does get everyone riled up.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:09 PM
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Excuse me but you're the one holding out the "Tin Cup".
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They can make money any way they want off their own name
Oct 30, 2019, 12:10 PM
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unless the CHOOSE to play college sports. Then they've agreed to follow the rules set by the institutions they've CHOSEN to play for.
Very simple really.
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Re: They can make money any way they want off their own name
Oct 30, 2019, 12:35 PM
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And the rule has now changed.
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Re: They can make money any way they want off their own name
Oct 30, 2019, 1:28 PM
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Yeah, so what are you clucking about?
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Re: They can make money any way they want off their own name
Oct 30, 2019, 12:58 PM
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Lol yeah cause rules are never ever unjust and they never change. They choose to play college football because it's literally the only path forward in their sport and in pursuing their dream. You cant act like theres multiple options when there just arent.
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Re: They can make money any way they want off their own name
Oct 30, 2019, 12:58 PM
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Lol yeah cause rules are never ever unjust and they never change. They choose to play college football because it's literally the only path forward in their sport and in pursuing their dream. You cant act like theres multiple options when there just arent.
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Re: They can make money any way they want off their own name
Oct 30, 2019, 3:44 PM
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What does the number of options have to do with it? Take it up with the NFL or have potential future pro football players start their own league.
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Re: They can make money any way they want off their own name
Oct 30, 2019, 12:58 PM
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Lol yeah cause rules are never ever unjust and they never change. They choose to play college football because it's literally the only path forward in their sport and in pursuing their dream. You cant act like theres multiple options when there just arent.
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Re: They can make money any way they want off their own name
Oct 30, 2019, 12:58 PM
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Lol yeah cause rules are never ever unjust and they never change. They choose to play college football because it's literally the only path forward in their sport and in pursuing their dream. You cant act like theres multiple options when there just arent.
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You can say that again***
Oct 30, 2019, 1:28 PM
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Yeah the mods need to do something about all the old
Oct 30, 2019, 12:11 PM
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white men on this board
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Bomb-Thrower
Oct 30, 2019, 12:12 PM
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Speak for yourself.
I see you have 32% pulse which means you're a contrarian, generally despised, and most likely a coot.
Since you're not a mind-reader you should probably refarin from posting nonsense about what other epope think, or don't.
It's a shame you have access to the internet, because you seem to know so much that isn't so.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:13 PM
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A free Education, Free meals and instant millionaire after college is not enough ? This will change recruiting and College Football for the bad. Just sit back and watch !
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:54 PM
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They're not all instant millionaires after college though. I'm sure you'll say that most of the players that are able to make money on their own image are likely to make the NFL, but that's not always the case. Tajh Boyd and Woody Dantzler are two Clemson names that come to mind that didn't really get a shot in the NFL, but were popular enough while at Clemson to have made some money during their playing days.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 3:48 PM
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Just because s player doesn't have a serious NFL career after college does not mean their lives are over. They hopefully have enough brains and education to pursue happiness and some good memories and relationships to achieve it. That's all anyone else gets in this life. Why should college athletes expect anything different?
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:15 PM
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I think it will cause jealousy and competitive atmosphere in the locker room. It is great for the well known players. They would make a lot. But, what about the lesser known players who work to make those well known ones able to shine? They won't get much, if any, and this would probably cause bad feelings among the players.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:27 PM
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How's that different from those players doing the same now, only to see the star players be the ones mentioned by the media, those star players get magazine covers, and eventually see those players get drafted high?
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So... you're attempting to insult a slower student?***
Oct 30, 2019, 1:07 PM
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:29 PM
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Tell em JHop coot
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:44 PM
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As for stuff I can’t control I don’t care . There are Pro’s and Con’s to everything and life is not fair so to the ones that won’t make any money. The best thing you can do is work harder and good things will come.
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Tell 'em u5c coot
Oct 30, 2019, 12:51 PM
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 12:53 PM
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Yep most of the people on Tigernet care way more about winning than the actual people on the field wearing those Clemson uniforms.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 1:10 PM
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Careful... My last account got trashed in rating and then banned for simply disagreeing with the "acceptable opinions" around here.
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Oculus Spirit [96842]
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So what was your prior user name?
Oct 30, 2019, 1:12 PM
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Might as well throw it out there
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Re: Your last account ? Tell 'em u5c coot
Oct 30, 2019, 1:31 PM
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I only had one other. I don't really want to throw the name out there. Feel like it could jeopardize this one by association haha. I enjoy commenting occasionally and don't want to have this one banned too for some dumb reason.
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Tell 'em u5c coot
Oct 30, 2019, 1:43 PM
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Re: Tell 'em u5c coot
Oct 30, 2019, 1:47 PM
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that response doesn't even make sense. How do you associate being a coot and just having a different opinion on a completely independent subject.
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Re: Tell 'em u5c coot
Oct 30, 2019, 2:02 PM
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Well, it's not as if those lazy, good for nothing mods
Oct 30, 2019, 2:07 PM
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B-Meist® and Crump® would do anything about it.
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HTH
Oct 30, 2019, 2:43 PM
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https://www.tigernet.com/rules.do
Each person is entitled to one and only one username. Users found to have numerous 'sock puppets' will face moderator action and possible loss of posting privileges. Usernames found to be inappropriate by TigerNet will be suspended, and the account holder will need to contact webmaster@tigernet.com for renaming the user account and reinstatement of posting privileges.
Using a 'sockpuppet' to get around a suspension will result in a ban for the sockpuppet account, and a lengthened suspension for the original account.
Accounts may not be shared. If an account is found to be shared among more than one person, an indefinite suspension will be placed on the account until the user contacts staff.
A username may be changed with good reason and at a reasonable frequency by emailing webmaster@tigernet.com. Provide the username you wish to change, the email address on the account, and a brief reason as to why you wish to change the username
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Re: So you didn't read the User Agreement you agreed to?
Oct 30, 2019, 2:57 PM
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This conversation is stupid...quite frankly I don't care. It honestly just bugs me that there is a large majority on this board that thinks so singularly and deletes/runs away from a scary opinion. Can't have a simple debate. Standard answer: COOOOOOOOOttt. I guarantee this account will be taken down after this whole conversation. I mean clipping the rule book...That is so soft. Charmin Soft.
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^^^out hisseff as a scok^^^
Oct 30, 2019, 3:09 PM
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now mad because finds out that scoks aren't allowed
classic
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Re: ^^^out hisseff as a scok^^^
Oct 30, 2019, 3:13 PM
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Nah see I'm a lifelong Tiger fan. Graduated from there like most of you. Just crazy how some of you are so soft when it comes to differing opinions.
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What's really bothering you?
Oct 30, 2019, 3:29 PM
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Like, deep deep down
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Re: ^^^out hisseff as a scok^^^
Oct 30, 2019, 3:15 PM
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I'm just trying to figure out how someone sharing a different opinion on a totally unrelated topic from Clemson/SC football gets instantly labelled a coot....
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Re: The very existence of your second account is a violation of
Oct 30, 2019, 2:44 PM
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I would say I genuinely feel like my first one was unjustly taken down. I never used profanity, wasn't a troll. Can't get a response out of anyone why it was banned.
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I don't think that's an excuse to break the user agreement.***
Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 1:32 PM
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 5:49 PM
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Your current ain’t doing so hot either... Coot.
Careful... My last account got trashed in rating and then banned for simply disagreeing with the "acceptable opinions" around here.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 1:26 PM
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I can’t speak for anyone else but it’s all quite simple for me.
I watch and support amateur sports.
I like high school and college sports because of the amateur/academic angle.
I do not watch or support professional sports with a couple exceptions (track, rugby, tennis).
If we see a major change in amateurism in college sports I will do something else with my time and money.
We’ll have to wait and see what happens.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 1:35 PM
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I’ve seen threads warning about the OP here......
Confirmed. He’s a giant Dong.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 2:21 PM
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 2:26 PM
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Your logic is tragically flawed. Your assuming change means improvement. Only time and experience will determine who’s selfish here. It’s very hard to improve on the Clemson brand and the success we’ve had putting players in the NFL. Change never guarantees anything.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 2:33 PM
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I'm not. Let them make as much as they want however they can. But the NCAA is amateur sportsm and you agreed to play by their rules when you signed up and that includes amateurism. If you want to be paid for your sports, then find a place to play professionally.
No one is allowed to get paid for playing golf and still play in the USGA Amateur championships.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 2:56 PM
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The players are very much aware of what they signed up for. There's nothing wrong with them wanting an opportunity to make money while they're in school, but they understand the rules don't allow it, and for 100+ years they have chosen to live with that because of the potential earnings waiting for them either through football or through their education.
Have some of the players complained? Of course. But it's the POLITICIANS who are trying to cheat the rules. If you want to blame someone, blame them.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 3:02 PM
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If you want to play a game, you must play by the rules. If you change the rules, it's a different game. And as of yesterday, that's now what we have...a different game.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 3:21 PM
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The USGA Amateur championship rules will change before long also. "Rules" are no longer rules. They are more suggestions. The times are a changing, and not for the better in my opinion. "Keep on punching Apollo"
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 3:08 PM
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Plus, you're dreaming if you think this is not just a return of the "bag man" only out in the open this time. I've no desire to watch sports controlled by people with bags of cash to lavish on a few select players while the remaining players get nothing...where schools with rich boosters can work out any shady endorsement deal they need to get the next Johny Football to sign with their team. Been there, done that.
A blanket payment by something like EA Sport to all athletes included for a video game is less problematic than Joe's Bama Pride Autos. The latter is nothing more than a public bag man.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 3:34 PM
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And THIS is why it will end with schools paying players directly...to control the equity. The slipperiness of this slope we're now on is unfathomable.
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 3:42 PM
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Well, if you can call me selfish, I guess it’s ok to call you a slow and dumb. Are the facts of the situation too complex for you to understand how this spells the end of college sports ultimately?
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Re: Some of you are so selfish
Oct 30, 2019, 4:01 PM
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How much will the 3rd basemen make on the ladies softball team. Sounds like a lot of noise for only a few on the mens football and basketball teams.
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