Tiger Board Logo

Donor's Den General Leaderboards TNET coins™ POTD Hall of Fame Map FAQ
GIVE AN AWARD
Use your TNET coins™ to grant this post a special award!

W
50
Big Brain
90
Love it!
100
Cheers
100
Helpful
100
Made Me Smile
100
Great Idea!
150
Mind Blown
150
Caring
200
Flammable
200
Hear ye, hear ye
200
Bravo
250
Nom Nom Nom
250
Take My Coins
500
Ooo, Shiny!
700
Treasured Post!
1000

YOUR BALANCE
I'm beginning to believe I could live without hot water.
storage This topic has been archived - replies are not allowed.
Archives - General Boards Archive
add New Topic
Replies: 39
| visibility 1

I'm beginning to believe I could live without hot water.


Sep 1, 2020, 10:12 AM

I think its been a week now and haven't had any, and the cold showers are beginning to be normal. They might not be so normal for the new owner though, so I guess I need to fix it ASAP.

It wasn't the thermostat. There is simply no power getting to the heater at all. I checked it with a multi meter yesterday.

All I can figure is that somehow the 3 year old breaker in the main breaker box has gone "bad", so I am replacing that today because it was only $10.

When that's not it, WTH else would cause power to just stop going to the water heater? I looked at the breaker box at the unit and it appears ok; wires are tight, there's just no power coming from them. Nothing else was worked on or changed AFAIK.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Did you check the


Sep 1, 2020, 10:23 AM

Lint trap filter?

2024 orange level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Honestly


Sep 1, 2020, 10:26 AM

This reads kind of poor.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


You're an engineer, do what ya'll do best.


Sep 1, 2020, 10:34 AM

Tell me what I'm doing wrong!

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Nice


Sep 1, 2020, 10:51 AM

Really, that's just my degree. I'm an estimator/pricer IRL.

I would think after 2 days of not hot water, you would just pay someone to fix. But people are not very reliable these days and it is respectable for a man to fix hims-self.

I'm about to attempt to upgrade my 12v trolling motor to 24 v trolling motor. I think the wiring is sufficient to handle the load, butt I'm also installing a 3 bank on board. Little nervous something won't work out, but should be good.

So like you, not paying anyone to do the work... unless of course I screw it up.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


It's a little diffferent this time.


Sep 1, 2020, 11:59 AM

The house has a warranty because I have it listed under a realtor, so I was using the warranty company to save some money. And then we went under contract a few days later, so I felt compelled to use someone else and not have to pay for it.

But the warranty people are in zero hurry to do anything, and they had a mr. fix it come out and determine its the thermostat, and that took 4 days to come in.

But I just found the cause a few minutes ago -- was a tripped external GFCI receptacle. I would have never even thought to look there, because the water heater should be on its own circuit, but obviously, it's not entirely. I can't even comprehend how the GFCI is wired. It controls all the outside receptacles (except the one closest to the water heater, figures) and ONE out of the three porch lights (all three lights are on the same switch).

As for your trolling motor, it should be fine in that the wire size req is going down because you are going up in voltage. Neg to pos on all three batteries and then trolling motor goes to the "leftover" pos and neg(1st and 3rd battery). Battery charger has internal diodes so you should connect its banks as usual, pos to pos, neg to neg on each battery.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Ahhh, that makes more sense....glad ya found it


Sep 1, 2020, 1:21 PM

Wiring should be like this, right?



flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


Somehow you typed 24v and I read 36 volt.


Sep 1, 2020, 1:25 PM

But yes, that will work perfectly.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

you mean paragraph 3??....


Sep 1, 2020, 2:18 PM [ in reply to It's a little diffferent this time. ]

:)

Glad you got it fixed. GFCI breakers have been around a long time now. I think not have GFCI on the breaker might be a deal breaker on future house purchases for me. I had a problem recently where outside string lights weren't working. No power in outlets...checked every GFCI outlet I could find. Then, after many weeks, remembered previous owners had a water heater under the house that they replaced with a tankless system before we bought the house. Our inspector had noted that the old water heater was still under the house, so we made them take it out...but what do you know...the outlet under there was a GFCI outlet. Under the eff'ing house!! Sent son-of under there and reset it and everything works now. Yeah, putting a GFCI outlet under the house is a lot easier than replacing the dang breaker. I was pizzed for days.

Anyways, you should have just asked me and saved yourself some time!

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

sorry, wrong spot...but you get it***


Sep 1, 2020, 2:18 PM



badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I'm still not understanding the wiring here.


Sep 1, 2020, 3:30 PM [ in reply to you mean paragraph 3??.... ]

There are 3 external GFCI receptacles. The water heater has its own separate 120/20 breaker. The GFCI receptacle that tripped, controls power to the water heater (on the opposite side of the house), it's own outlet (duh), the front porch receptacle (also GFCI), and 1 out of 3 front porch overhead lights. The porch lights have 1 switch that controls them, and their own separate breaker listed under "front inside" or something like that.

Perhaps they are all on the same breaker, but just labeled as "water heater", and the GFCI receptacle that tripped is first in the loop. There is another breaker that is labeled "Outside GFCI"; I'll assume it's the breaker for the external GFCI receptacle near the water heater. One would think the receptacle 3 feet from water heater would be on the same loop as the water heater, under one breaker. I guess not.

But then that leaves the 1 porch light that is on that first loop. Makes zero sense to me.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Yeah, sounds like someone did some crazy wiring or...


Sep 2, 2020, 7:52 AM

there was stuff added in later or some need to change around circuits to control loading. How old is the house?

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Just turned 4***


Sep 2, 2020, 10:49 AM



badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Is it plugged in?***


Sep 1, 2020, 10:41 AM



flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


Well, uh..technically, no***


Sep 1, 2020, 10:42 AM



badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Then plug that #### in


Sep 1, 2020, 10:44 AM

duh

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


Check the house side of the breaker inside the box


Sep 1, 2020, 10:43 AM

That will tell you if the breaker is bad. They do fail. Some years ago, I had one side of a 220 breaker fail. Easy enough to swap out. It would be rare that the wiring failed somewhere between the box and the water heater.
Good luck and be careful. Inside the box, electricity don't play.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Nothing like a couple of home repair questions to bring out


Sep 1, 2020, 10:45 AM

the lurkers.



HEY LURKER CAN YOU POST SOME TIDS PLEASE? ALSO, HOO IS UR FAVORITE JUNGER AND Y IS IT ME?

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


Did that.


Sep 1, 2020, 11:48 AM [ in reply to Check the house side of the breaker inside the box ]

But figured it out a few minutes ago.

Was talking to a friend and he told me to check my GFCI's outside the house.

I have 2, and the one furthest away had tripped, I guess from all the rain we had.

So I've had cold showers for a week because of tripped external GFCI.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

You don't live with a woman do you?


Sep 1, 2020, 11:53 AM

Cuz she'd ##### 24/7 without hot water, and she'd be right for doing so.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


Oh yeah


Sep 1, 2020, 12:17 PM

She was too busy bitchingg about all the other stuff I do that makes me the worst person in the world. Had the hot water shortage lasted much longer, I'm sure I would have heard about it.

And I don't know if you live with any women that work from home, but they don't shower much.

Women, generally, are pretty gross.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Did you tell her how you fixed it?


Sep 1, 2020, 12:24 PM

If so what was the reaction and post pigs of her tids

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


We've gotten past the point


Sep 1, 2020, 12:47 PM

of really doing either.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Well hey, if maybe back before you got past that point


Sep 1, 2020, 1:43 PM

you had tidpigs, it's ok to go ahead and put them in here now even if we are post got to that point.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


noice


Sep 1, 2020, 11:54 AM [ in reply to Did that. ]

just trip it again and enjoy those cold showers!

2024 white level memberbadge-donor-15yr.jpgringofhonor-willmo.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up




Cat on a tin roof, dogs in a pile,
Nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile!!!!


Re: Did that.


Sep 1, 2020, 12:04 PM [ in reply to Did that. ]



flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


Tried to tell you to plug it in***


Sep 1, 2020, 12:10 PM [ in reply to Did that. ]



flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


Lick the wires before putting them in the


Sep 1, 2020, 10:43 AM

new breaker to be sure you have a good connection

2024 white level memberbadge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I like your funny words magic man


probably should just tonguepunch everything just to be


Sep 1, 2020, 10:56 AM

safe.

2024 purple level memberringofhonor-greenr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: probably should just tonguepunch everything just to be


Sep 1, 2020, 1:13 PM

TP the FB?

2024 orange level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

When in doubt


Sep 1, 2020, 1:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zWDWNuSHhY

2024 purple level memberringofhonor-greenr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Saying that in August, yeah, easy. But in February?


Sep 1, 2020, 1:09 PM

that might be a little different song you sing.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: I'm beginning to believe I could live without hot water.


Sep 1, 2020, 1:26 PM

Assuming no one cut the wire going from breaker to the water heater the only thing it can be is a bad breaker/connection in the electric panel or bad connection at water heater.

Did you put a meter on the line coming out of the breaker that feeds the water heater?

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up


I did, and then I was really stumped.


Sep 1, 2020, 1:29 PM

But then 2nd paragaraph:

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/Its-a-little-diffferent-this-time-27711914


badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Is the breaker GFCI? In not, then you likely have...


Sep 1, 2020, 2:07 PM

a GFCI outlet on that circuit protecting that circuit. Find all your GFCI outlets and make sure one isn't tripped. If you don't see any GFCI breakers, than means you might have GFCI outlets outside too. Most are going to be located in bathroom, kitchen, utility room, and outside.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Please see paragraph 2, section 2.


Sep 1, 2020, 2:10 PM

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/Its-a-little-diffferent-this-time-27711914


badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I would check the GFCI outlets***


Sep 1, 2020, 2:22 PM



2024 white level memberbadge-donor-15yr.jpgringofhonor-willmo.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up




Cat on a tin roof, dogs in a pile,
Nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile!!!!


Maybe I'll check the GFCI outlets***


Sep 1, 2020, 3:05 PM



badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I think the same thing every summer


Sep 2, 2020, 10:07 AM

then when we get a 29 degree January night, I forgot about it

2024 purple level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

It was nice this morning to have a warm shower***


Sep 2, 2020, 10:49 AM



badge-donor-05yr.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Replies: 39
| visibility 1
Archives - General Boards Archive
add New Topic